# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/541 "2009-08-10T23:11:46Z")
Spammy me, but basically, I don’t want to waste time discussing this. I just want to see if it’s possible quickly and without a lot of hijacking the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/542 "2009-08-10T23:12:26Z")
Z, do I need to confirm for you? or is my second line, 19th word challenge ok for you? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/543 "2009-08-10T23:12:58Z")
Well, Meeko, the first pass using one word is just a filter to see if it’s possible at all. that’s why I’m not saying “post your win condition” or “your whole PM”, y’know? If it seems workable at all we’ll have to all do it at a specific time and we’ll have to take it with whatever salt seems appropriate based on timings. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/544 "2009-08-10T23:14:03Z")
Ok, I will wait for things to finalize here then. I think I have done enough on my end, for now, if handshaking is possible. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/545 "2009-08-10T23:14:20Z")
Aside: based on your proposed challenge, we have very different PMs. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/546 "2009-08-10T23:17:16Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Aside: based on your proposed challenge, we have very different PMs. This might be a problem then. But, as the challenge to Pede is still out, I will wait for him to answer. I’m obviously curious, as I have a vote out on him, what he says could change my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/547 "2009-08-10T23:23:41Z")
Z : Do you have a **nine letter** word in yours? If it does, your close enough to mine. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/548 "2009-08-10T23:35:39Z")
\*\*NETA:\*\*close enough to my challenge word. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/549 "2009-08-10T23:59:46Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > I would ask Mahaloth,\*\* but not only is he not answering me, he’s not even saying that he’s not answering me. \*\*I’ve tried to answer you, most of the time, but I didn’t understand at least one of your questions this morning and I’ve not had internet most of the day. Is there something you want to know that you think I’ll answer?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/550 "2009-08-11T00:08:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Is there something you want to know that you think I’ll answer? Woha, I didnt mean it like that at all. If I were to ask, and I am **not** asking currently… Would you answer on what the Town’s Wincon is, and what Scum’s Wincon is? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/551 "2009-08-11T00:22:34Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > You know Pede, it’s the little things here, that just don’t add up for me. > > 1.\*\* You vote for me FIRST then you state your reasons.\*\* Are we really that eager to get me out of here? Even after I have more or less proved myself? Um…I’ve voted first and explained later, explained then voted, and explained, voted and explained some more at various times. It’s not indicative of anything. > [@Meeko](#): > > 2.Then, you use the word “ **specific** ” , But you later state that Mahaloth is not using “stock” roles. **If you know this to be a tactic (Which, apparently, you do) you think you would have used better words when you specifically said “specific”.** You can not use such words, and not expect people to hold you to it. When I voted for you, I thought Mahaloth was using stock language. When NAF intervened and you protested, I realized that he probably hadn’t. > [@Meeko](#): > > 1. Third party? Mahaloth has not stated one way or the other, but, when it comes to painting me in a negative light, you are very fast to shop around for this idea. **Unless you want to claim something?** Third parties are really not all that rare. Given that Mahaloth hasn’t said anything about them, they’re a distinct possibility. And given that you were talking about there being no Crimson Thorns, and my win con saying that we need to eliminate the Crimson Thorns, the logical assumption is that you are neither town (don’t share my win con) or scum (not a Crimson Thorn). That leaves third party. > [@Meeko](#): > > 4.“” Either way, he needs to go “”. This one has multiple issues > > A. Why not tell me how you really feel about me? Or is that too OOG for you? [I doubt it.] **Play this game, not previous MAFIA games** , or the little experience you and I have out of MAFIA. What the hell?! I supported you, you know. I denounced those trying to push you out for personal reasons. I am offended that you would insinuate that. I said that you need to go because at the time I had deduced that you couldn’t share my win condition, meaning that you aren’t town. (though I’m not as sure now). Meaning that you need to go. > [@Meeko](#): > > B. I have offered a way to verify that I am Town. You still have not unvoted me. \*\*I would vote for you again, if I could. \*\* I’m going to cover this in my next post. > [@Meeko](#): > > C. \*\*The entire phrase is not Pro Town at all. AT ALL. \*\* Yes it is. I said you need to go because I thought you were non-town. If you are non-town, the phrase is pro-town. If you are, it still represents a pro-town frame of mind. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/552 "2009-08-11T00:25:11Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Out of curiosity, **pede** , what IS your win condition? I don’t normally like to metagame, but \*\*Mahaloth \*\*has missed details like this before and I would like to take one exchange of views to see if a vanilla handshake is possible. > > Sufficient will be the fourth word of the second sentence–this way, if it’s similar enough to handshake, we have a chance. Okay, I know I’m going to take a lot of flak for this, but I refuse to handshake. I know it’s _technically_ not against the rules, but I feel that it completely violates the spirit of the game and I refuse to get involved in it. As evidence that I am not just makeing up this position because I am scum, I point to the game I linked to earlier, in which I state the exact same thing. Also, in the first game I modded, I held a similar position, threatening to modkill Rysto if he was to attempt a handshake. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/553 "2009-08-11T00:49:37Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Would you answer on what the Town’s Wincon is, and what Scum’s Wincon is? \*\* Probably.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/554 "2009-08-11T00:54:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\* > Probably.\*\* “” **Good to know** “” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/555 "2009-08-11T04:06:31Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Okay, I know I’m going to take a lot of flak for this, but I refuse to handshake. I know it’s _technically_ not against the rules, but I feel that it completely violates the spirit of the game and I refuse to get involved in it. As evidence that I am not just makeing up this position because I am scum, I point to the game I linked to earlier, in which I state the exact same thing. Also, in the first game I modded, I held a similar position, threatening to modkill Rysto if he was to attempt a handshake. I can’t argue. I won’t give you flak, either–whether to participate or not is a complete non-tell for any number of reasons. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/556 "2009-08-11T04:53:29Z")
Hello fellow Mafiauteurs! Sorry for my absence but I’ve been away from my computer since Sunday and worked 12 hours today. I came home, took a short nap, now I’m ready to jump into the game. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Okay, so we have Freudian Slit as a townie, and Special Ed nightkilled. > > From the way things played out, I think we can guess that there may well be powers that can act on people during the night after their death, and not revealing the alignment of a lynchee immediately may be intended to make those powers more hazardous to use. Alternately, it could affect the scum powers somewhat. > > I don’t see anything about the way the deaths have played out that gives me any reasons to change my suspicions yet. Vote Cucuy. Bleached for mod. Before I respond to this, I want to address something that I (as **TS** ) said yesterDay: > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > On roles, bear in mind this is a **Weird** Wild West game, so there might be supernatural elements, particularly in the scum power roles. Which could mean anything. This statement appears to have given the impression that I/ **TS** had knowledge regarding roles. I can’t speak for Tom but I can say that I, upon taking over this role was given NO information regarding roles of any kind. Except for myself. Yet this is the main reason I can determine that has put me under a cloud of suspicion. **Zeriel** , you seem to agree that there are powers that could allow certain players (of which I have no knowledge of) to act out of the ordinary. If I can meta-game for a minute: The previous game I participated in had a Town-aligned Mad Bomber (called “Typhoid Harry”) who had the ability to infect non-Townies who participated in lynching him. (The game itself was a “weird” game: it was called “Weird Vegas Psychopath.”) If nothing happened to “TH”, then his powers were nullified, and he was just another Vanilla Townie. My question to **Zeriel** : what makes you think my role is a threat to Town? ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/557 "2009-08-11T05:30:35Z")
(Continuing) After reading through toDay and yesterDay’s posts, I had a strong suspicion regarding the actions of **NAF1138** and **Meeko**. **NAF1138** ’s play was baffling at first: He seems unsure of where to place his vote, jumping from voting for me ( **TS** ) on D1.163, then unvoting and voting **FS** on D1.228. Then, on D1.264, he unvotes and votes **Oredigger**. Then, you go on\* to explain part of your reasons for your actions. I’m conflicted at this point. I have an FOS ready to point but it doesn’t sit well with me. I will continue to follow the game and see what develops. **Meeko** , OTOH, has played even more erratically. To be truthful, if this were another game I would’ve voted to lynch you despite whatever claim you made. Even a Townie can become a fateful distraction and in a game like this (a “Weird” game) Town cannot have distractions. D2.540: Here you claim a role. D2.528: Here you claim again. I know that nothing is certain until the EOG, and that nothing is certain about a player until they are dead. Given your actions, I might be inclined to believe you. But your play has not alleviated any suspicions I have. I’m not about to waste a vote on you because I THINK you might be telling the truth, but I’m not about protest anyone who wants to vote against you. \*I don’t normally use Night posts in my summaries, but since this involved strategy and the mod chose to allow it, I’ll use it. And I saw where you posted immediately after that— I can accept that as an honest mistake with no deception intended. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/558 "2009-08-11T05:42:13Z")
Something else that caught my attention: D2.521: **pedescribe** consider **Meeko** to be a Third Party. I wonder if there is truth to that. **Meeko** has asked the mod regarding clarification of Town and Scum wincon. This is interesting to me, because if he received no wincon then it stands to reason he is Third Party. Again, I don’t know what anyone’s roles are except my own. I haven’t played in many Mafia games, and I’m not sure what value can be gained by lynching a Third Party player. In my previous games, the fate of Third Partyers was left to Scum, once the player was outed as Third Party. I would like to hear anyone’s comments regarding this action. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/559 "2009-08-11T05:59:18Z")
I came across this after I posted my first of the Day: D2.530: **NAF1138** claims Town power role. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Fuck. I fucked that one up. > > Well, I might as well claim. I am the town inventor. I have a slew of powers one of which includes stopping the Day’s lynch… This throws my earlier suspicions out the window. > [@](#): > > If you all want to lynch me to verify my claim I can do that. I would rather not go into the rest of my powers if I don’t have to as I don’t see any advantage for the town to have me detail them. Right now I don’t see a need to reveal anything more, as it may be more anti-Town than helpful to Town. But given your play from Day One, you’ll excuse me if I say this could be bullshit. But I see no point right now in voting you or continuing to FOS you. > [@](#): > > Last Night I tracked Boozy who did nothing, so is likely not a town power role. How can you be certain? > [@](#): > > I have no win condition listed in my PM but was told that I am town. This hit me like a brick: When I went back and re-read my PM, I saw that **I had no wincon either**. I’ve never played in a game without receiving a wincon. **Without revealing your roles, has anyone received OR NOT received a wincon?** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/560 "2009-08-11T06:01:43Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > **Without revealing your roles, has anyone received OR NOT received a wincon?** I did not receive a wincon in my initial PM. After an exchange with Mahaloth, I got one. Well, I was told I was pro-Town. No winning condition was told. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=29)