# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/641 "2009-08-13T15:06:07Z")
I’ll wait for \*\*AllWalker \*\*to confirm, thanks. I will note once again that Power Roles Do Not Win for Town. Outing a power role reduces their power, but it does add them to the (semi-)confirmed pool, which is helpful in a totally different way. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/642 "2009-08-13T15:07:21Z")
Simulpost! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/643 "2009-08-13T15:40:55Z")
Ugh, this is not good. Rough week for me, and this afternoon I’m leaving for Illinois for the (unexpected and short-notice) wedding of my wife’s cousin, where I will be without reliable Internet connectivity until Sunday night. ## I am going to try to catch up before I leave. However, regarding **Oredigger** : we’ve now seen (purportedly) outed a Vigilante, an Investigator, a tracker/something else-er, and a role blocker. Four claimed power roles, two of them investigative. This is a lot, and I think we need to be wary of the possibility that one (I sincerely doubt it’d be more, though after LOST I’m not discounting anything out of hand) of the claimed players is lying, and is either Scum or (potentially) third-party. Let’s face it: “I sleep with you and you get role-blocked” is no more likely to be a Town power than a Scum power. Just need to be careful about treating our claimants as confirmed; none of them is. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/644 "2009-08-13T15:46:30Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > 1. Fair enough point and so far nothing has occured to make me change my assumptions > > 2. Your interpretation of my clarification is not quite accurate. It is not only being non-commital, but also making statements that could be used to support two opposite arguments at a later point in time. > > As an example: Oredigger77 #204: IMHO, his post reads as though, at a later date, he could support the arguments both for and against Tom Scud being scum depending on what context was required at the time. 1. Also, this way, there is no confusion, if I misread, or treated one of your posts where you name one of the scum trio, and in fact, you did not mean to indicate that person. 2. You use the Dobule effect?! \*\* Holy crap\*\*. We got to get you playing **Haggle** my man. I understand completely being… perfectly ambiguous. I’m not exactly sure if I actually mean “Double Effect”. I just mean, that in HAGGLE, I make offers that serve me in multiple ways. Oh, and it just might work in other games too. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/645 "2009-08-13T15:50:22Z")
Heh. :smack: From where I sat, Allwalker, I thought you were talking about my blow up, when you said that it was memorable first day / night. Perhaps you should have told us you were lighting up a cigarette or something, and ask us if it was good for us. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/646 "2009-08-13T15:53:53Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I am your humble town Slut Oredigger, is your role " slut " or prostitute? Would you like to offer commentary on my first day vote on Pede, and assuming him to be a roleblocker? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/647 "2009-08-13T15:56:27Z")
Speaking of Haggle, and Oredigger being the slut : Hey Digger, I will give you my Copper for a night of passion. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/648 "2009-08-13T16:12:36Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Just need to be careful about treating our claimants as confirmed; none of them is. I agree with this completely, I am nervous about there being four power roles already reviled while we haven’t seen a doctor or similar role, which I think it very likely. It is true that role blockers and equally likely on the scum or town side but there is really nothing I can do besides admit that I was trying to lay low. > [@Meeko](#): > > Oredigger, is your role " slut " or prostitute? > > Would you like to offer commentary on my first day vote on Pede, and assuming him to be a roleblocker? I avoided that discussion like the plague since I didn’t want to give anything away. I figured you were off base and it would shake out on its own. I am a slut, not only that I am the town’s slut. > [@Meeko](#): > > Speaking of Haggle, and Oredigger being the slut : > > Hey Digger, I will give you my Copper for a night of passion. Thanks Meeko, I’m always up for cheap lay. This time I want to be paid in quarters though. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/649 "2009-08-13T16:56:54Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Thanks Meeko, I’m always up for cheap lay. This time I want to be paid in quarters though. This doesn’t come as a surprise to me… Let me Talk to NAF about it first though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/650 "2009-08-13T17:00:10Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Write it down, Meeko is asking someone to water something down. To answer the part I snipped (snipped accidentally and but I am too lazy to start over) I try not to use code for anything. It is my honest goal to make sure that everyone understands exactly why I am doing everything I am doing when I am doing it. I frequently fail, but I try. So, the next bit. I am not sure what you don’t understand Meeko. I saw you mention the same thing yesterDay and I didn’t get to respond to it then. What don’t you follow about my argument or CIAS’s? Ask as many questions as you like, I’ll do my best to clear things up. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/651 "2009-08-13T17:21:43Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I agree with this completely, I am nervous about there being four power roles already reviled while we haven’t seen a doctor or similar role, which I think it very likely. It is true that role blockers and equally likely on the scum or town side but there is really nothing I can do besides admit that I was trying to lay low. From where I am sitting, I think it is \*possible \* that Digger is a town power role. It’s equally possible that he isn’t, but either way I believe that there is a roleblocker in the game and that it is likely that roleblocker targeted AllWalker last Night. So, to switch gears away from Digger (for now), I actually find MentalGuy’s long post troubling. Again, it’s because there just isn’t enough suspicion to go around. Everyone is leaning town in that post except for the people who have already gotten heat. Either MentalGuy is highly suggestable (possible) or he is having the typical scum trouble of making cases against people he knows to be town. \*\*unvote Digger vote MentalGuy\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/652 "2009-08-13T18:06:03Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Oredigger(2): CatInASuit, Mentalguy MentalGuy(1): NAF JoeyP(2): AllWalker, Meeko \*\* ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/653 "2009-08-13T18:20:29Z")
Crap, thanks Mahaloth, sorry I reversed the color scheme. I am operating on far too little sleep these days. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/654 "2009-08-13T18:50:50Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Ask as many questions as you like, I’ll do my best to clear things up. CIAS was talking about covering bases. And, he was getting at being ambiguous. I am all clear for now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/655 "2009-08-13T19:42:23Z")
Good then. See note above about too little sleep this week. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/656 "2009-08-13T21:37:55Z")
My time management has been shot to pieces today (and Today). My apologies. I need to get my head back in the game. I even managed to forget Dawn in another game until it happened, and I’m supposed to be colour-writing and stuff. That’s never happened before ☹ More later. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/657 "2009-08-14T01:44:23Z")
Since Oredigger’s getting votes, and he’s claimed to block Allwalker, I decided to look at Allwalker’s posts to see if anything jumped out at me. Consider this a structureless wow, I guess. He did a lot of bet-hedging early Day 1, but that’s pretty typical for early Day 1. He put his vote on FS pretty early votewise, but a good distance after she voted. He was very much trying to be constructive with Meeko–a good sign, I think. He looked at Boozy Squid and thought his actions town; nothing in his case looks distorted, a good sign as well. He objected to all the role claims, not very indicative, since there are good motivations on both sides to do so. Votes Joey P for being up in Boozy’s grille–this I found interesting. Joey has certainly been a little scarce on reasoning, but considering the quality of some other votes (meeko’s votes, the votes for meeko, etc.), Joey hadn’t really jumped out in particular. I find this interesting because Allwalker specifically analyzed Boozy earlier, and found him townish. It might be part of a pattern of defending Boozy–which is also consistent with the FS voting earlier. Conclusions: Two things really jumped out at me–the multiple posts where he was trying to help out Meeko, and the multiple links to him supporting Boozahol Squid’s townieness. The Meeko thing is a slight scumtell–the scum have a definite interest in keeping Meeko in the game. But given the way he went around it, I doubt that was his intent, even if he is scum. So a very slight scumtell as opposed to a regular scumtell. The Boozahol thing suggests to me that the two of them are linked; I’m guessing either they’re both scum or they’re both masons (if you’re both masons, don’t don’t **don’t** claim because of this post!). Also, I find it highly unlikely that Oredigger, Boozy and Allwalker would be scum, especially since Oredigger has no ties to Boozy that I saw. So if Oredigger’s scum, I’m less likely to think Allwalker’s scum and vice versa. However, I don’t see much evidence on Allwalker specifically, so I’m not going to vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/658 "2009-08-14T02:27:37Z")
Guys, I’m going to apologize as well, I’ve been sick as hell and while I’m following along I’m not really able to make a case. Apologies for that. At the moment, I’m thinking NAF has expressed something that was itching me as well about **MentalGuy** ’s post. I ordinarily hate piggybacking someone else’s case, but at this point I’m too stuffed up to care. **vote MentalGuy** ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/659 "2009-08-14T04:04:27Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > So, to switch gears away from Digger (for now), I actually find MentalGuy’s long post troubling. Again, it’s because there just isn’t enough suspicion to go around. Everyone is leaning town in that post except for the people who have already gotten heat. Either MentalGuy is highly suggestable (possible) or he is having the typical scum trouble of making cases against people he knows to be town. Well, there is probably not a lot I can say that will convince you otherwise. When I sat down to write that post, I wasn’t really thinking of any certain number of players that I would need to find scummy (or even any minimum number). I did figure there were probably some in the pool that I thought was neutral, I just didn’t have a good idea of which ones. Considering how well I have done in the past on finding scum, I would not be all that surprised if some of the ones I thought were town turn up scum. I probably am more suggestable that I ought to be at this game, but I do think it was probably made worse by the fact that I was pretty much reading through the whole game at once, instead of having time to mull over individual posts. I feel this may have caused me to follow other peoples arguments a bit more than I would have otherwise. In regards to Oredigger’s claim, I agree that what he claimed could just as easily be scum as town. However, since it only Day 2, I will **Unvote Oredigger77** **Vote JoeyP** ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/660 "2009-08-14T08:30:11Z")
Wow, this game is just too quiet. So little to go on. So first things first: **sub Roosh** - one post is not enough. Claims AFAIK? Boozahol Squid, P.I. - One Shot Vig cucay - Detective NAF1138 - Inventor (Multiple powers?) Oredigger77 - Roleblocker pedescribe - vanilla zeriel - vanilla Current unofficial vote count: JoeyP(3): AllWalker, Meeko, Mentalguy MentalGuy(2): NAF, Zeriel Oredigger(1): CatInASuit, 6 people voting out of 16 players with less than a dozen hours to go. Good grief!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=34)