# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/781 "2009-08-18T16:25:05Z")
Well, here’s the thing. If Story is scum, and I can’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be, he just lost one of his lives. He can not be unkillable or the game is broken, so my feeling is try try again. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/782 "2009-08-18T16:25:52Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Huh, well, Story got shot but story ain’t dead. When does the Day power happen? Immediately or at Dusk? Would the fact that you used a power last Night not disqualify you from using a power Today, or would it mean you can’t use a power Tonight after this kill? Or what? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/783 "2009-08-18T16:38:32Z")
It happened. I got the PM telling me that it failed right before the post where I said that Story got shot but isn’t dead. My powers work Day to Night, so I can’t use a power toNight, since the gun went off but Story survived. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/784 "2009-08-18T16:41:58Z")
This is _fascinating_. Apparently I have powers I don’t even know about. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/785 "2009-08-18T16:48:24Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Bleached. > > “Be careful” twice, huh? **cucuy** , assuming you are truthful in being what you say you are, my advice would be to **unvote immediately**. It might be that **storyteller** has some kind of vengence powers, and that maybe those powers can only target those who vote for him. If that is the case your role is too important to sacrifice. > > Having said that, we can’t be afraid to lynch a Scum based on vague threats. > > Cucuy, care to post the PM Mahaloth sent you? > > **Vote storyteller** Here is my PM: > [@](#): > > You mustered up enough courage to leave your house and ask your contacts to check into Storyteller. They sent a message back to you. > > “Be careful. We have it on file that Storyteller is a member of a murderous group called the Crimson Thorns. Again, be careful.” The wording bothers me. I have PIS on **Story** but I’m reluctant to act upon it. There’s something about it that makes me think **Story** is not just a Vanilla Scum. Or if he is, then Scum have a play they can make if we lynch him. > [@MHaye](#): > > Cucuy. > > I believe you have said that you have a 75% chance of success in your investigations. Do you know whether, if a “fail” result should come up, you get no answers or wrong answers? > > Might you have got such a wrong answer from your investigation of Storyteller? Could that be one of the reasons you were told to “be careful?” A good question. The part of my PM that reads, “They sent a message back to you” means scum know about my actions. As for the 75%: I’m guessing if I fail, I get a PM that tells me I was unsuccessful. So far, I haven’t received such a PM. > [@Meeko](#): > > **Vote Cucuy.** > \*\* > FOS CIAS > > FOS Allwalker\*\* > > This is was too fast if you ask me. In terms of looking at posts, if not indeed actual OOG time. Either way, the amount of thought needed for this vote is not here, and I think that might be a problem. > > Again, this vote seems way to… easy. That is, something doesn’t add up for me here. > > If you are town, then, there is a case to be made that your ““Be careful”” caveat might make you … less town later, so that if the lynch does happen, we might have to vote you off later. (You might become scum, or compulsory vig.) [oog] I honesty don’t know how you manage to stay alive. Either that, or you have the most obscenely brilliant tactical mind of our time. If there is a role for Jedi Mind Trickster I would pick you to play it. [/oog] **Meeko** , you raise interesting questions. Is it possible I am Scum? No. I have claimed and in light that there are no counterclaims— and that those I’ve investigated have also claimed, thus backing up my story— should make it clear where my alignment lies. Your vote against me smacks of scumminess. It makes me wonder where your alignment truly lies. I believe that **Story** ’s claim has truth in it: the part where he admits to being scum. I also believe there will be consuquences following his death. If by lynching, we risk multiple casualties; if by Day Kill, we risk the Inventor; if by using our One-shot Vig, we risk another power role. I don’t know which direction to go with this. For now, I’m withdrawing my vote. **unvote Story** ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/786 "2009-08-18T16:48:43Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It happened. I got the PM telling me that it failed right before the post where I said that Story got shot but isn’t dead. My powers work Day to Night, so I can’t use a power toNight, since the gun went off but Story survived. Is there a warranty on the gun? ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/787 "2009-08-18T16:53:23Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > This is _fascinating_. Apparently I have powers I don’t even know about. Sounds like a Scotsman. You should have no proctection left, unless there is a Governor scum role with ability to protect you. Again, this is all conjecture, I have no more PIS on you than what I’ve posted. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/788 "2009-08-18T16:55:25Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > Here is my PM: > > The wording bothers me. I have PIS on **Story** but I’m reluctant to act upon it. There’s something about it that makes me think **Story** is not just a Vanilla Scum. Or if he is, then Scum have a play they can make if we lynch him. Actually your have 75%PIS. > [@](#): > > A good question. The part of my PM that reads, “They sent a message back to you” means scum know about my actions. As for the 75%: I’m guessing if I fail, I get a PM that tells me I was unsuccessful. So far, I haven’t received such a PM. Not that it matters, but I read that as your contacts sent a message back to you, so the person you were targeting wouldn’t know. Also, my WAG is that the 25% fail wouldn’t be no response, but rather a false reading. > [@](#): > > **Meeko** , you raise interesting questions. Is it possible I am Scum? No. I have claimed and in light that there are no counterclaims— and that those I’ve investigated have also claimed, thus backing up my story— should make it clear where my alignment lies. Your vote against me smacks of scumminess. It makes me wonder where your alignment truly lies. So, what you are saying is that it’s not possible for you to be a scum investigator and a town investigator is just keeping quiet? I’m not saying your lying, I’m just saying there’s another distinct possibility that can’t be dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/789 "2009-08-18T17:08:16Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Actually your have 75%PIS. > > Not that it matters, but I read that as your contacts sent a message back to you, so the person you were targeting wouldn’t know. Also, my WAG is that the 25% fail wouldn’t be no response, but rather a false reading. Hmm. I hadn’t considered that. But read more below: > [@](#): > > So, what you are saying is that it’s not possible for you to be a scum investigator and a town investigator is just keeping quiet? I’m not saying your lying, I’m just saying there’s another distinct possibility that can’t be dismissed. It is a possiblilty, but given that **Boozy** backed my investigation on N1 would put both of us under suspicion as Scum. If that’s the direction town wants to go, I won’t stand in their way. I urge them NOT to do so as it would be a waste of time and let scum off the hook for another day. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/790 "2009-08-18T17:11:48Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **HOW IS THIS PRO TOWN?!** > > If it was anti-town when I asked about it back in Glyph or Lost, it remains anti-town now. > > Yeah… something is rotten in Denmark, and this game. I asked for a ruling since I couldn’t find anything posted. There is nothing wrong with that. I suggest you go back and reread your question in that game, and put it into the context of that game. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/791 "2009-08-18T17:27:43Z")
I’ve been thinking, and I am going to have to say this, in case I get killed of a Night. Storyteller spent the entirety of last Night at home. He never went _anywhere_. So how he could be a member of a secret cabal that meets at Night, I don’t know. I know this because I spent the entire night watching through toe curtains, hoping to catch him in - well, let’s just say “interesting activities” shall we? But I saw nothing. So, if Storyteller is a member of the secret cabal of the Crimson Thorns, he didn’t go and meet with them last Night. Or maybe Storyteller is lying in order to get lynched? I could tell you the same thing about Special Ed, if the Crimson Thorn hadn’t murdered him. Did I see them? No, not me. Cucuy. If you do not _know_ what happens in the case of a failed investigation, don’t assume one way or the other. PM Mahaloth and ask him. That way we know how to evaluate the current situation. If Mahaloth refuses to answer - well, that’s information too. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/792 "2009-08-18T17:30:25Z")
I’m not sure I follow your logic Mhaye. Just because you followed storyteller and he didn’t do anything doesn’t mean he isn’t scum. Tracker/Watcher roles almost always only see active powers, not simply posting on a scum message board. So knowing he did nothing last Night just means that he wasn’t chosen to kill. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/793 "2009-08-18T17:39:28Z")
Y’all don’t even know, because you think I’m lying or something, but from my perspective this game has gotten _very_ strange. Let’s see. cucuy, NAF, MHaye, all claiming investigative roles (three investigative roles! In an 18 person game!). Plus a Doctor, who apparently is not even paranoid and is able to self-protect. Plus an optional one-shot Vigilante. Plus whatever the hell other tricks NAF can do. Of course, I know which among those claimants are Scum and which are not. But even among the ones that are not: I think you’ll find your third-party in there. Good luck with _that_ noise. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/794 "2009-08-18T17:49:54Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I’m not sure I follow your logic Mhaye. Just because you followed storyteller and he didn’t do anything doesn’t mean he isn’t scum. Tracker/Watcher roles almost always only see active powers, not simply posting on a scum message board. So knowing he did nothing last Night just means that he wasn’t chosen to kill. I’m not a Tracker; I don’t follow the player and see who they target. I’m not a Watcher; I don’t see which players (if any) interact with my subject. Special Ed was cruelly murdered Night 1, right under my eyeballs, and I **never saw a thing**. If I had seen his killer, I could now finger a CT for you. But I can’t. All I see - the _only_ thing - is whether my subject leaves their home at Night. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/795 "2009-08-18T18:00:18Z")
Wow MHaye, you have the worlds worst variation on the Watcher role ever. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/796 "2009-08-18T18:36:27Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I’m not a Tracker; I don’t follow the player and see who they target. > > I’m not a Watcher; I don’t see which players (if any) interact with my subject. Special Ed was cruelly murdered Night 1, right under my eyeballs, and I **never saw a thing**. If I had seen his killer, I could now finger a CT for you. But I can’t. > > All I see - the _only_ thing - is whether my subject leaves their home at Night. ISTM that would mean that you would be told whether or not someone used a power on that night, wouldn’t most ‘powers’ involve leaving their house to do something to someone else? I could just be misunderstanding the roll. OTOH, if we are still talking about this supernatural stuff as some of the color has suggested (Night 1 involved a pentagram, I’ll have to look at the N2 color), then that might make sense as a supernatural power could conceivable be used without leaving one’s house (casting a spell), but so far, other then color, no one has claimed anything remotely like that. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Y’all don’t even know, because you think I’m lying or something, but from my perspective this game has gotten _very_ strange. > > Let’s see. cucuy, NAF, MHaye, all claiming investigative roles (three investigative roles! In an 18 person game!). Plus a Doctor, who apparently is not even paranoid and is able to self-protect. Plus an optional one-shot Vigilante. Plus whatever the hell other tricks NAF can do. > > Of course, I know which among those claimants are Scum and which are not. But even among the ones that are not: I think you’ll find your third-party in there. Good luck with _that_ noise. Story, I still don’t get your angle. Even if you are scum and you very well may be lynched tonight, due in no small part to your claim, why are you acting pro-town? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/797 "2009-08-18T18:44:00Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > It is a possiblilty, but given that **Boozy** backed my investigation on N1 would put both of us under suspicion as Scum. If that’s the direction town wants to go, I won’t stand in their way. I urge them NOT to do so as it would be a waste of time and let scum off the hook for another day. What post did that happen in? I’m trying to find it and I’m not seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/798 "2009-08-18T18:47:43Z")
Wow, claims galore. On **Storyteller** : in _Undying War_ town was warned about a terrorist who would blow up when lynched. He ended up voting a confirmed mason and town happily lynched him for it. He blew up the mason and myself :(. So yeah, let’s be careful here. **MHaye** : since you advice **cucuy** to ask it, you got confirmation from the moderator that you would ‘see’ someone leave for a secret Crimson Thorn meeting? **NAF1138** : I think I want full disclosure from you: -Why didn’t you track a claimed role Night Two? That seems much more useful than using ‘a passive power’? I can speculate that a typical inventor only has one-shot powers and that the passive power was some sort of self-protect. But especially the latter I want clarified because it could be a reason for the no-kill, thus relevant in evaluating the other claims of stopping the kill. For the record: your ‘no point in lynching me, I’ll stop it anyway’ and ‘I shot Story Today, so I can’t do something verifiable Tomorrow’ rubs me the wrong way. Absolutely no clue why it failed, like some other roles claimed with a failure chance? **Mahaloth** : **How important is the color in this game? Is it just fluff or does it contain clues?** Specifically the ‘we’re planning something big’ comment is it a hint/warning at a scum power or just fluff for dramatic effect? ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/799 "2009-08-18T18:50:23Z")
NETA: that should read ‘so NAF can’t do something verifiable Night Three and have to explain it Tomorrow’ ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/800 "2009-08-18T18:56:30Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > **NAF1138** : I think I want full disclosure from you: > -Why didn’t you track a claimed role Night Two? That seems much more useful than using ‘a passive power’? I can speculate that a typical inventor only has one-shot powers and that the passive power was some sort of self-protect. But especially the latter I want clarified because it could be a reason for the no-kill, thus relevant in evaluating the other claims of stopping the kill. > For the record: your ‘no point in lynching me, I’ll stop it anyway’ and ‘I shot Story Today, so I can’t do something verifiable Tomorrow’ rubs me the wrong way. Absolutely no clue why it failed, like some other roles claimed with a failure chance? Well I suppose there isn’t much point in holding back more. I self protected last Night. I exposed myself as a potentially very dangerous power role and I didn’t expect to get a doc protection. Only one of my powers is a one shot, and that’s the lynch stop power, but most of them do have a limit on them. That’s right, I have another Day kill left. I never said that there was no point in lynching me, I actually suggested testing my claim that way. I shot story, I would post the PM by Maha has specifically told me that I am not allowed to. I can do something verifiable tomorrow, just not toNight. If you want to try to lynch me toMorrow to verify my claim go for it. Hell if you want me to stop anyone’s lynch toMorrow let me know and I will stop it. Ask me any other questions you like, and I will answer as best I can. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=41)