# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/801 "2009-08-18T18:57:12Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Story, I still don’t get your angle. Even if you are scum and you very well may be lynched tonight, due in no small part to your claim, why are you acting pro-town? Hey, I’ve offered a lot of stuff, but an explanation of my “angle” will definitely not be forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/802 "2009-08-18T19:00:12Z")
I would at this point in time like to request that the claimed doctor protect me toNight. I can verify that claim if you do. On the other hand, if you can self protect that might be the better idea. Your call really. I figure one of the two of us is likely dead come morning. Also, would people stop listening to anything Story has to say? Please? Just put him on ignore until he is killed or something. He is outed scum, he admits to it. Everything else he might have to say is smoke and mirrors. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/803 "2009-08-18T19:01:01Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Well I suppose there isn’t much point in holding back more. I self protected last Night. I exposed myself as a potentially very dangerous power role and I didn’t expect to get a doc protection. Only one of my powers is a one shot, and that’s the lynch stop power, but most of them do have a limit on them. That’s right, I have another Day kill left. > > I never said that there was no point in lynching me, I actually suggested testing my claim that way. I shot story, I would post the PM by Maha has specifically told me that I am not allowed to. I can do something verifiable tomorrow, just not toNight. If you want to try to lynch me toMorrow to verify my claim go for it. Hell if you want me to stop anyone’s lynch toMorrow let me know and I will stop it. > > Ask me any other questions you like, and I will answer as best I can. You know, I think you’re the third-party actor. Multiple day kills? AND the powers to self-protect and stop a lynch, which makes you nearly unkillable, AND you can track? This is a collection of powers that would be wildly imbalanced to give to a pro-Town actor (especially in a game with another claimed pseudo-tracker, another claimed Detective, another claimed Vig, and a claimed Doctor), but would be tremendously useful to a third-party player. I note that if NAF is not lying about his powers, he can be lynched toDay. He has already used a power toDay, and thus cannot use another (ie, cannot stop himself from being lynched). As I strongly suspect him to be a win-stealing third-party, I will **vote NAF** Remember, **Boozy** can always shoot me toNight. If he’s not lying, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/804 "2009-08-18T19:02:22Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Also, would people stop listening to anything Story has to say? Please? Just put him on ignore until he is killed or something. He is outed scum, he admits to it. Everything else he might have to say is smoke and mirrors. This hurts my feelings, seriously. “Put me on ignore?” After all we’ve been through together, man? The funny thing is, I’ve been about 95% truthful so far. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/805 "2009-08-18T19:04:18Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > This hurts my feelings, seriously. “Put me on ignore?” After all we’ve been through together, man? > > The funny thing is, I’ve been about 95% truthful so far. Maybe maybe not, but if you were in my shoes you would be saying the same thing. I love you man, but I am ignoring anything game related you have to say. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/806 "2009-08-18T19:39:41Z")
[Vote count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11444246&postcount=663) by **Mahaloth** : **Oredigger** (1): CatInASuit **MentalGuy** (2): NAF, Zeriel **JoeyP** (3): AllWalker, Meeko, Mentalguy Oredigger votes **MentalGuy**. ‘Stronger case (self preservation vote without saying it) than against JoeyP’. Think there are six hours instead of two left and people around to break the tie. _Would scum draw attention like that? Oredigger had a vote and indication that people were suspicious of his claim._ **CatInAsuit** unvotes Oredigger, votes JoeyP. ‘Breaks the tie’ willing to go back to Oredigger. **pedescribe** votes JoeyP at the same time. ‘Breaks the tie’. **MHaye** votes Oredigger. Disapproves of him ‘creating a tie’ **CatInAsuit** unvotes JoeyP, votes Oredigger. ‘Let’s make it interesting’. **JoeyP** votes Oredigger. ‘Self preservation’ **pedescribe** unvotes JoeyP, votes Oredigger. ‘Does not believe claim and he created a tie’ _All in 20 minutes - if I get real suspicious it could be a blatant mass scum move (or the third party Storyteller claims)._ **cucuy** votes MentalGuy 37 minutes before Dusk. ‘Back with more to explain’ but he has not explained his vote to date. _If he and **Storyteller** are scum then they could be sacrificing one (possible lynch bomb?) to buy credit for the other._ **USCDiver** votes MentalGuy one minute before Dusk. Not voting ‘claimed power role’ Oredigger, does not mention JoeyP (but that would have been a three-way tie). I don’t think all three (USCDiver, Oredigger and MentalGuy) are scum with Oredigger taking credit for MentalGuy’s power (if it is a role block). Just the last two scum also not likely (unless two Crimson Thorn slut/prostitute), especially since JoeyP claimed someone slept with him after the lynch. Depending on how Oredigger turns up I give some town points for USCDiver. Oredigger gets some not Crimson Thorns points for tying up MentalGuy, unless JoeyP turns up Godfather which would be a more valuable role than role blocker (I’m not sure there are others). MHaye, CatInAsuit, JoeyP, pedescribe some CT points. > [@cucuy](#): > > It is a possiblilty, but given that **Boozy** backed my investigation on N1 would put both of us under suspicion as Scum. If that’s the direction town wants to go, I won’t stand in their way. I urge them NOT to do so as it would be a waste of time and let scum off the hook for another day. His unexplained vote Yesterday and this quote really make me suspicious of **cucuy**. **Boozahol** didn’t back your investigation at all, so I don’t like the ‘if I turn up scum, lynch Boozahol’ sentiment. He claimed before you did. You claimed you found out what he was which 1) is totally unspecific about whether you found out his claimed role or alignment 2) alignment is something scum would know unless there are third parties. 1. Since you found **Story** ’s alignment Last Night, I guess you found Boozahol’s alignment as well. 2. Self-proclaimed Crimson Thorn Storyteller insists there is a third party (group). ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/807 "2009-08-18T19:41:55Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I would at this point in time like to request that the claimed doctor protect me toNight. I can verify that claim if you do. How would you do that? You couldn’t use any power Tonight? Or do you mean the claimed message protecting gives? Anyone could verify that, so then there would be no special need for you to do it. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/808 "2009-08-18T19:47:26Z")
No, there would be no special need for me to do it, but it might mean I survive till toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/809 "2009-08-18T20:03:07Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > **MHaye** : since you advice **cucuy** to ask it, you got confirmation from the moderator that you would ‘see’ someone leave for a secret Crimson Thorn meeting? I have. Thus far I have received no answer. I posted despite my lack of verification. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/810 "2009-08-18T20:24:34Z")
Story, even if he’s scum, raises an excellent point about third-parties. On the other hand, he’s scum, so we unfortunately can’t trust anything he says. On the other other hand, he’s acting goofy enough that he might be a scum jester or something. Still, a scum in the hand is worth quite a bit. **vote storyteller** ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/811 "2009-08-18T21:13:04Z")
Well, I’m not scared of being bombed so I’m going to \*\*vote storyteller \*\*. I’m still not sure why we had people not voting Yesterday. I assume \*\*story \*\*didn’t vote because he would rather leave the lynching of his friend, \*\*MentalGuy \*\*,up to chance once there was a tie rather than blatantly vote for a claimed role, saving a Scum. Also because voting for JoeyP would have led to a three way tie which is just as scummy. But for \*\*Nanook \*\*and \*\*Boozahol \*\*I’m not sure. Clearly \*\*Roosh \*\*just hasn’t been able to play at all. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/812 "2009-08-18T21:18:14Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > [Vote count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11444246&postcount=663) by **Mahaloth** : > > **Oredigger** (1): CatInASuit > **MentalGuy** (2): NAF, Zeriel > **JoeyP** (3): AllWalker, Meeko, Mentalguy > > Oredigger votes **MentalGuy**. ‘Stronger case (self preservation vote without saying it) than against JoeyP’. Think there are six hours instead of two left and people around to break the tie. > > _Would scum draw attention like that? Oredigger had a vote and indication that people were suspicious of his claim._ > > **CatInAsuit** unvotes Oredigger, votes JoeyP. ‘Breaks the tie’ willing to go back to Oredigger. > **pedescribe** votes JoeyP at the same time. ‘Breaks the tie’. > **MHaye** votes Oredigger. Disapproves of him ‘creating a tie’ > **CatInAsuit** unvotes JoeyP, votes Oredigger. ‘Let’s make it interesting’. > **JoeyP** votes Oredigger. ‘Self preservation’ > **pedescribe** unvotes JoeyP, votes Oredigger. ‘Does not believe claim and he created a tie’ > > _All in 20 minutes - if I get real suspicious it could be a blatant mass scum move (or the third party Storyteller claims)._ > > **cucuy** votes MentalGuy 37 minutes before Dusk. ‘Back with more to explain’ but he has not explained his vote to date. > > _If he and **Storyteller** are scum then they could be sacrificing one (possible lynch bomb?) to buy credit for the other._ > > **USCDiver** votes MentalGuy one minute before Dusk. Not voting ‘claimed power role’ Oredigger, does not mention JoeyP (but that would have been a three-way tie). > > I don’t think all three (USCDiver, Oredigger and MentalGuy) are scum with Oredigger taking credit for MentalGuy’s power (if it is a role block). Just the last two scum also not likely (unless two Crimson Thorn slut/prostitute), especially since JoeyP claimed someone slept with him after the lynch. > > Depending on how Oredigger turns up I give some town points for USCDiver. Oredigger gets some not Crimson Thorns points for tying up MentalGuy, unless JoeyP turns up Godfather which would be a more valuable role than role blocker (I’m not sure there are others). > MHaye, CatInAsuit, JoeyP, pedescribe some CT points. > His unexplained vote Yesterday and this quote really make me suspicious of **cucuy**. **Boozahol** didn’t back your investigation at all, so I don’t like the ‘if I turn up scum, lynch Boozahol’ sentiment. He claimed before you did. You claimed you found out what he was which 1) is totally unspecific about whether you found out his claimed role or alignment 2) alignment is something scum would know unless there are third parties. > > 1. Since you found **Story** ’s alignment Last Night, I guess you found Boozahol’s alignment as well. > 2. Self-proclaimed Crimson Thorn Storyteller insists there is a third party (group). That’s **Natlaw** ’s [Post D3.806.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11458811&postcount=806) I hid it to save space. > [@](#): > > cucuy votes MentalGuy 37 minutes before Dusk. ‘Back with more to explain’ but he has not explained his vote to date. My explanation is my irl job— I’m on-call for a local delivery outfit and trying to post from home when I can. I wanted to explain this in my following posts (for Day 2) but never got around to it. Sorry if this has caused confusion. In hindsight, I should have left that part out. Mental Guy was on my list of FOS candidates (also included **Boozy, NAF** and **Story** ). I saw he was up for lynching, I was pressed for time and wanted to get a vote in before I had to rush off (irl again). > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by cucuy View Post > It is a possiblilty, but given that Boozy backed my investigation on N1 would put both of us under suspicion as Scum. If that’s the direction town wants to go, I won’t stand in their way. I urge them NOT to do so as it would be a waste of time and let scum off the hook for another day. > [@](#): > > His unexplained vote Yesterday and this quote really make me suspicious of cucuy. Boozahol didn’t back your investigation at all, so I don’t like the ‘if I turn up scum, lynch Boozahol’ sentiment. He claimed before you did. You claimed you found out what he was which 1) is totally unspecific about whether you found out his claimed role or alignment 2) alignment is something scum would know unless there are third parties. > > 1. Since you found Story’s alignment Last Night, I guess you found Boozahol’s alignment as well. > 2. Self-proclaimed Crimson Thorn Storyteller insists there is a third party (group). Here are the following posts that took place, RE, where both **Boozy** and me revealed ourselves: [Post D2.562](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11432609&postcount=562) [Post D2.564](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11432614&postcount=564) I did NOT actually have Boozy back up my claim— that was a slip on my part. What I did was investigated **Boozy** and he revealed his role to me in Daylight. Here is my PM for that Night: "You were courageous enough to use your sources to investigate Boozahol. Your sources worked quickly and filed this report to you: “Boozahol is actually a local gunman, but we heard he he is a bit nervous and anxious. He is a townsperson, though.” Now, how would Boozy know this, unless he were scum with the power to conceal himself to investigations and KNOW who investigated him at Night? This goes beyond my reasoning, but begs to consider just how Weird this game really is. Note: All quotes are from **Natlaw** ’s post 806 (except where I’m named). ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/813 "2009-08-18T21:40:19Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > Now, how would Boozy know this, unless he were scum with the power to conceal himself to investigations and KNOW who investigated him at Night? This goes beyond my reasoning, but begs to consider just how Weird this game really is. How did Boozy know what? ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/814 "2009-08-18T22:12:19Z")
Did you read the previous posts? I investigated Boozy. He appears the next Day and reveals to me his role. Coincidental? Possible. But _how would Boozy know that I had investigated him before I said anything?_ That is the question I posed in my previous post. My conclusion: Boozy is Town. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/815 "2009-08-18T22:46:52Z")
I did. I think it’s totally coincidental. Just before Boozy claimed, he sort of accidentally soft claimed, here > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I did not receive a wincon in my initial PM. After an exchange with Mahaloth, I got one. Well, I was told I was pro-Town. No winning condition was told. Then when he realized that not having a wincon listed was indicative of a power role he went ahead and did a full claim. Besides, just because someone is investigated, even if they know that they were, why would they come out and claim? I suppose you could do that so that a scum investigator can’t gain any credibility. But OTOH claiming before the investigator can out you would also take away the credibility of a town investigator. So, I can see an anti-town reason for Boozy to do it (out himself because he knew he was investigated) but not a pro-town reason…unless he suspected that you are a scum investigator. OTOOH, if Boozy is scum, he could do it to take away credibility from the town investigator But you reported him as town so I don’t think that’s the case. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/816 "2009-08-18T23:23:18Z")
**I don’t get this at all. \*\* EVERYONE in this game is giving me mixed messages, and then gets on me for being hard to understand. (Even when I am not.) \*\* DO WE HAVE ANY, A N Y PROOF that Cucy is a power role? Or Town, for that matter?** But, ok, we will follow him anyway. And very quickly too. Too quickly. And then, of all things, Storyteller goes and pulls “I am scum”, and hardly anyone bats an eyelash at it. Those that do, do so after the “Is he a Jester” question is raised, **AND STILL VOTE FOR HIM.** :eek:😕:eek:😕 \*\* Why would Story say he is Scum now? Can we just entertain that for two seconds?\*\* I do not understand any of this game, as it is being played right now. I mean, Everyone and their brother has told me that you are NEVER confirmed until you are dead. Everyone and their Brother is lining up to vote Story. Hell, can I just make up a claim, and have you guys all voting X Y or Z just out of the blue, for shits and giggles? \*\* I do not get this, at all. \*\* The amount of ““Weak”” roles, if they are as reported, also is a bit off, I mean, why so many roles, that are so weak, – UNLESS they are split up among mulitple factions? I strongly believe that more than half of the game is not thinking for themselves here. This might be innocent, as in town following town, or it might be Scum / Third Party conspiracy. In those cases, the " me too! " people are by definition not thinking for themselves either. My FOS are on the " Me Too " players. They have their script already and hence, were able to get in line quickly. With a speed that Town would not have. \*\*I have no information on third parties, but, given how… UTTERLY SIDEWAYS this game is, I can not conceive of this game NOT having a third party currently. \*\* I know thats a double negative, but, I couldn’t care less. This game is sideways, and you guys still have the nerve to pick on me. People in glass houses. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/817 "2009-08-18T23:26:38Z")
You have to think it through Meeko. Cucuy is lying. Unless he’s throwing Story under the bus for credibility(which seems really unlikely with the way Story has claimed), then we would lynch him as soon as someone he claimed was scum came up Town. Unless we are CURRENTLY sitting at LYLO, there is no reason whatsoever for a scum Cucuy to make that move. And if you truly believe we’re sitting at LYLO right now, you’re beyond help. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/818 "2009-08-18T23:42:09Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > You have to think it through Meeko. Cucuy is lying. Unless he’s throwing Story under the bus for credibility(which seems really unlikely with the way Story has claimed), then we would lynch him as soon as someone he claimed was scum came up Town. Unless we are CURRENTLY sitting at LYLO, there is no reason whatsoever for a scum Cucuy to make that move. And if you truly believe we’re sitting at LYLO right now, you’re beyond help. \*\* In reverse order:\*\* No. Never meant to imply that I think that heaven forbid, on our third day (right?) we are at LYLO. But, hey, If I can seperate that last line, I do see a hint of “There is a mafia player in meeko yet” in there, and I will take it as the compliment it wants to be. So, and I saw this upthread also : As long as we are not at LYLO [And again, I do **not** think that we are.] Anyone can go “ **Hurr, I can has power? X is scum! Kthxbye** ” and have people follow him? Why does NOT being at LYLO equate to we will mindlessly follow somone? So, If I understand your line of reasoning, it goes something like this “We think you might be Scum, Cucuy, but, before we do what we know we must do, we are going to go ahead and kill off one of our own. Then we will kill you. No hard feelings there, right?” I mean, if Cucuy is scum, why are we doing what he wants us to do in voting Stoy? Either Cucuy is Scum, or he isnt. If he is, we need to vote him today, and not Story. [Do I really have this, that wrong?] Is Cucuy lying? Probably. Then agian, half of you guys say I lied in LOST. [I didn’t] So, as far as the game and it’s players treat “Lying” I am going to go ahead and say that I bet everyone in ““lying”” in the terms that MAFIA defines it. [Not my personal definition, mind you.] To be clear, **There is definite lying going on.** There is just way too much going on not to be. Then again, When we have people who pose as town, and people who are claiming to be Scum 2 OOG Days early… ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/819 "2009-08-18T23:45:46Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > So, as far as the game and it’s players treat “Lying” I am going to go ahead and say that I bet everyone in ““lying”” in the terms that MAFIA defines it. [Not my personal definition, mind you.] EBWOP: I am going to go ahead and say that I bet everyone **IS** ““lying”” in the terms that MAFIA defines it. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/820 "2009-08-19T01:55:43Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > So how about those Mets, huh? Another major injury. This is one the most disappointing seasons in recent memory, and for me the worst part of it is that there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. I think the Wilpons are going to use all the injuries as a reason to keep Omar Minaya around, and it really drives me nuts that Minaya gets a pass for assembling a team that is injury prone and so top-heavy in terms of talent that injuries to the good players creates a complete apocalypse. It’s frustrating. Well, at least football season is coming, and the Giants promise to be pretty good this year. > > In other news, I am Scum. Ooh, freebie! **Vote Storyteller** Note: I am still catching up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=42)