# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/861 "2009-08-20T01:08:45Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Further, but in its own right: > > Should we be concerned that we had a Detective, and a Day Vig go after Story? > > Does this not shake out for you guys as well? It makes sense to me. First the detective claimed he investigates story, then the Day vig goes after Story as a result of the investigation. It wasn’t like an independent thing or anything, AFAICT. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/862 "2009-08-20T01:15:54Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > It makes sense to me. First the detective claimed he investigates story, then the Day vig goes after Story as a result of the investigation. It wasn’t like an independent thing or anything, AFAICT. Ok that checks then. Frankly, I left out of my Apartment after I posted, asking about the bomb. Over lunch, I was thinking about the game, and the fact that we had two people _hit_ on Story. Not remembering the timing on the events, I lumped them together, and I was curious about it, and wanted to ask the game when I go back to it. Also, I entertained posting it as further evidence of how I think about mafia. … Just, if the timing was, if both people did a night action, independent of each other, but both on Story, it would be a lot different in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/863 "2009-08-20T02:49:45Z")
Even then it wouldn’t have been that surprising. Story is the type of player that attracts a lot of attention, regardless of what faction he is playing in any given game. He has a reputation and that draws fire. Why do you feel someone is holding back Meeko? What information do you think is not being shared? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/864 "2009-08-20T03:44:41Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Even then it wouldn’t have been that surprising. Story is the type of player that attracts a lot of attention, regardless of what faction he is playing in any given game. He has a reputation and that draws fire. > > Why do you feel someone is holding back Meeko? What information do you think is not being shared? So that’s why Storyteller understands me… we play nearly the same. :eek: I frankly wonder, if all of those people who have claimed, if they are all legit town. I mean, I bet that some of those who claimed, are the third faction. Frankly. How exactly, did we end up with so many people claiming, so soon?? And then, on top of that, bagging a scum so early?! Are we balanced back out here in terms of claims and then getting a scum? The speed with this game is … I am not used to it. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/865 "2009-08-20T04:32:08Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > \< snip \> > > On Cucuy : I’m still uneasy that he cannot tell us whether he gets false results or no results on a failure; if Mahaloth won’t tell him then fine, but we’ll need to be aware of the possibility that any given result could be false when assessing his reports and deciding whether to act on them. It’s probable that the failure chance reflects the possibility of the message going astray, but I’d still like to _know_. \< snip \> I PM’d Mahaloth. I am forbidden to discuss my answer. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/866 "2009-08-20T04:33:47Z")
NETA: His answer. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/867 "2009-08-20T04:59:45Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > \< snip \> > > I PM’d Mahaloth. > > I am forbidden to discuss my answer. That’s…really odd. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/868 "2009-08-20T05:39:35Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > That’s…really odd. How is it odd? ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/869 "2009-08-20T05:45:48Z")
Speculation: 1 Third Party/PFK, 3 Crimson Thorn roles up for grab. (18 players; 6 are likely to have non-Town alignment.) I am not dismissing the likelihood that a claimed role may not be truthful. Nor am I dismissing the possibility that a Crimson Thorn might vote on Storyteller. By outing Storyteller (and him confirming his role), CT can vote to lynch and appear pro-Town. It’s a safe vote for them. Also by Storyteller being outed, there may be a sense from Town that our work Today is done. That is a very foolish idea. There are still CT out there, and they must be found. And it is very likely that one of the Town claimed power roles will not be here toMorrow. I have the feeling, nothing substantial, just a feeling, that there will be blood toNight. A lot of blood. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/870 "2009-08-20T08:54:34Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > \< snip \> > > I PM’d Mahaloth. > > I am forbidden to discuss my answer. A pattern emerges. Mahaloth is trying to make us work these things out for ourselves. The _ **fiend** _. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/871 "2009-08-20T10:01:01Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > You call it reckless, I call it the correct play for the information I have. I didn’t get a message about self protecting at first, but I did when I asked. My role PM specifically states that my target will receive a message when I protect them. Once Story admitted to being scum, there was no doubt they were aware of a doctor. Combine it with a no kill Night, with a very good possibility that I was the target, why would I withold information from the Town? I mean, it’s one thing to withhold information that only I know, as in that I was the doctor before Today, but it’s stupid to withhold it once there’s a damn good chance the scum know it too. I think it more likely that my protect stopped the scum kill than Ore’s claimed block. As such, I’m outted and I should let the Town know. I meant reckless I that you indicated you wanted to hear from JoeyP first and there was lots of time left in the Day to wait for that. But you’re right that if you were the Night kill target, then scum would have been pretty sure you are the doctor as they wasn’t really a reason for another doctor to protect you. But there are other possible explanations for the no kill ( **Oredigger** block, **NAF** protected or scum didn’t kill/did something else). An argument why a scum **JoeyP** wouldn’t do the kill which I forgot is the claimed role blocker: since he was suspect he would be a likely block target increasing the chance he would fail the kill. Scum targeting NAF isn’t unlikely since he claims tracker plus other options. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/872 "2009-08-20T10:20:23Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Not sure what pressing questions you need answered aside from this one, but I usually ignore the ones I don’t want to answer or put “no comment” as my remark.** Sorry, I didn’t mean to have it come out so snippy. The question I asked [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11458585&postcount=798): **Is the Dawn/Dusk color just fluff or not?** But I guess the no answer means no comment. The other one was a question [from NAF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11460266&postcount=829), but I see why you won’t answer that one. > [@cucuy](#): > > How is it odd? Either you got told that you know when you fail, in which case the restriction seems pointless and easily subvertered (“I investigate Mahaloth as scum, but I broke my shoelace.”). Or you got told you don’t know when you fail (or didn’t get any answer), which means we’re back with our worst-case assumption that any investigation you do has a 25% chance to be wrong. And since it worst-case, thus our current one, no point in restricting telling us that. Also you did quote other PMs, so the restriction seems arbitrary (which **NAF** claims to be also the victim of). ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/873 "2009-08-20T10:31:24Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > And it is very likely that one of the Town claimed power roles will not be here toMorrow. I have the feeling, nothing substantial, just a feeling, that there will be blood toNight. A lot of blood. So your PM which told you to be careful twice isn’t substantial? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/874 "2009-08-20T15:40:45Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > By outing Storyteller (and him confirming his role), CT can vote to lynch and appear pro-Town. It’s a safe vote for them. > > Also by Storyteller being outed, there may be a sense from Town that our work Today is done. That is a very foolish idea. There are still CT out there, and they must be found. Shutting down conversation is a very good thing for Scum: the only benefit for them of a detective outting them is that there’s an additional Day of insubstansive conversation. I can’t see how sacrificing one of their own to do so could possibly be worth it: the sole goal of scum is keeping themselves and their partners alive for as long as possible: a lynch of their own, combined with having lost one of their own last night, puts them back two Days. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/875 "2009-08-20T15:55:28Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > \ > > Either you got told that you know when you fail, in which case the restriction seems pointless and easily subvertered (“I investigate Mahaloth as scum, but I broke my shoelace.”). Or you got told you don’t know when you fail (or didn’t get any answer), which means we’re back with our worst-case assumption that any investigation you do has a 25% chance to be wrong. And since it worst-case, thus our current one, no point in restricting telling us that. > > Also you did quote other PMs, so the restriction seems arbitrary (which **NAF** claims to be also the victim of). My guess is that PMs I send/receive at Night are open for me to share with everybody, but PMs that don’t address a specific investigation are not to be discussed. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/876 "2009-08-20T15:56:30Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > So your PM which told you to be careful twice isn’t substantial? It instructed me to be careful, nothing about blood. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/877 "2009-08-20T16:00:56Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Shutting down conversation is a very good thing for Scum: the only benefit for them of a detective outting them is that there’s an additional Day of insubstansive conversation. I can’t see how sacrificing one of their own to do so could possibly be worth it: the sole goal of scum is keeping themselves and their partners alive for as long as possible: a lynch of their own, combined with having lost one of their own last night, puts them back two Days. I agree. But I want to keep the discussion open that they will not prevent the lynching of an outed player (Story), and by voting to lynch him will give them Town cred. They are going to lose a player regardless, so why not take this opportunity to appear pro-Town? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/878 "2009-08-20T16:02:53Z")
\*\*So, What if is Story is a PFK? What if Story is a Third Party? What if Story is lying about being Scum, hence why he offered it so freely? What if all of these are going on together? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/879 "2009-08-20T16:03:53Z")
NETA:\*\* What if his PFK ability only works once he gets votes? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/880 "2009-08-20T16:07:54Z")
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