# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/881 "2009-08-20T16:08:58Z")
\ What if Meeko were to have fewer than 20% of the posts in a game thread he was playing in? \ ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/882 "2009-08-20T17:50:43Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*So, What if is Story is a PFK? > > What if Story is a Third Party? > > What if Story is lying about being Scum, hence why he offered it so freely? > > What if all of these are going on together? \*\* What does it matter? Unless he can survive the lynching as part of the suite of powers he might have, it’s all moot. And while that’s possible, I don’t consider it likely. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/883 "2009-08-20T18:05:27Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*So, What if is Story is a PFK? > > What if Story is a Third Party? > > What if Story is lying about being Scum, hence why he offered it so freely? > > What if all of these are going on together? \*\* These things all seem relatively likely. However, without knowing more about the set-up of the game, our best bet is to lynch a confirmed enemy of the Town. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/884 "2009-08-20T18:45:35Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > \ > > What if Meeko were to have fewer than 20% of the posts in a game thread he was playing in? > > \ Hey, I was trying to cut back. But no, we had to people STILL question the way I play. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/885 "2009-08-20T19:14:58Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Hey, I was trying to cut back. But no, we had to people STILL question the way I play. Make that some still question the way you play, for example your recent post. Why does it have to be in all bold? Why don’t you spend three second thinking about the answers yourself? Just hit preview instead of post and come back later and check if your post makes sense. > [@](#): > > So, What if is Story is a PFK? The going definition of a PFK is to steal the win, which would mean Story a Jester for him to win by getting lynched. Not that likely. > [@](#): > > What if Story is a Third Party? Then technically it is a mislynch as it brings us closer to LyLo, but with a scum lynched we got some room. > [@](#): > > What if Story is lying about being Scum, hence why he offered it so freely? Then he gains something from being lynched, but that was already discussed. He didn’t not offer it completely free though, as **cucuy** had already implicated him. > [@](#): > > What if all of these are going on together? PFK and Third Party are exclusive win conditions so that would be impossible and if he lying about being scum, then he is either one of those or town (very unlikely). So this question makes no sense at all. Perhaps your point was that we shouldn’t lynch **Storyteller** because of these what if questions - but that wasn’t clear and thus doesn’t help convince anyone to move there vote. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/886 "2009-08-20T19:44:31Z")
**Zeriel** Claims vanilla No real read yet. **Storyteller** Claims scum Not much to add. **Cucuy** (Tom Scud) Claims investigator Wimpy sheriff, 25% fail chance With the likely lynch of Storyteller, we’ll get more information about he accuracy. The failure rate fit with other weak claims. He got both role and alignment from Boozahol, but only alignment from Storyteller. Maybe Story is just vanilla, in which case there should be no danger to lynch him or maybe he partly failed his investigation or the ‘be careful’ is hint to him being or maybe Mahaloth just likes to random it up. **Nanook of the North Shore** Claims doctor Target gets message Although I get his reason now to claim as it does give extra info on Oredigger/JoeyP, I still think it was a bit reckless to not wait for cucuy/JoeyP to check in. **USCDiver** (Alka Seltzer) No real read yet, except for some town points for his vote Day two if Oredigger is town. **MHaye** Claims weak watcher Only sees if someone leaves their house Very limited power which again fits with the other weak. A weak defense for Sotry, but since Story admitted to be scum that doesn’t say much. **Natlaw** (Ro0sh) That’s me! **Pedescribe** No real read yet. **NAF1138** Claims inventor Claims can track, can stop lynch once, can self protect, can Day kill twice Big contrast with the weaker roles, together with his self-protect/request for protection it does scream survivor/PFK. **Meeko** Claims vanilla No real read yet. **JoeyP** No real read yet, his block with no kill is far from conclusive that he was the scum killer in my opinion. **AllWalker** No read yet, I need to check if Oredigger said why he blocked him N1 (although there typically not much information to base it on that early). **Oredigger** Claims town role blocker Target gets message Confirmed power by two different players, so very likely truthful about that. **Boozahol Squid, PI** Claims gunman Claims one-shot vigilante, 25% chance to publicly fail **CatInASuit** No read read yet except for a scum point for the vote Day Two. I’ll look at the ‘no real read yet’ people more Tomorrow, since the vote record Today won’t hold useful information. **vote Storyteller** Any powers I might have aren’t critically important and the risk of a bomb or similar is one will have to take. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/887 "2009-08-20T19:52:33Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > **AllWalker** > No read yet, I need to check if Oredigger said why he blocked him N1 (although there typically not much information to base it on that early). I don’t think I gave a reason, mainly because I didn’t really have one. At some point during Day 1 I was reading an Allwalker post and went “hmmm that’s interesting I’ll block him tonight.” I don’t remember what it was and when I’ve gone back to look I can’t find it. So I’m basically saying it was random + feelings and nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/888 "2009-08-20T20:01:03Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > **NAF1138** Claims inventor Claims can track, can stop lynch once, can self protect, can Day kill twice > Big contrast with the weaker roles, together with his self-protect/request for protection it does scream survivor/PFK. Out of curiosity, do you think my being the first to bring up that (some) town power roles don’t have win conditions means anything in relation to me being a PFK or survivor? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/889 "2009-08-20T20:02:09Z")
Also, why wouldn’t I request protection? Why are you turning that into a smudge? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/890 "2009-08-20T20:10:01Z")
Nice list, Natlaw, a few things though. > [@Natlaw](#): > > **Pedescribe** > No real read yet. > > **Oredigger** Claims town role blocker Target gets message > Confirmed power by two different players, so very likely truthful about that. Firstly, I claimed VT at some point along the line. Secondly, since a scum roleblocker already died, and the idea of 2 scum roleblockers is silly, we can conclude either he’s a Town Roleblocker, or a Scum Non-Roleblocker who was reading over MentalGuy’s shoulder–and if it’s the latter, we’ll find out tomorrow, the next day at the latest. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/891 "2009-08-20T20:19:11Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > we can conclude either he’s a Town Roleblocker, or a Scum Non-Roleblocker who was reading over MentalGuy’s shoulder–and if it’s the latter, we’ll find out tomorrow, the next day at the latest. To be fair there is the third option of a third party role blocker as well. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/892 "2009-08-20T21:01:03Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Firstly, I claimed VT at some point along the line. > > Secondly, since a scum roleblocker already died, and the idea of 2 scum roleblockers is silly, we can conclude either he’s a Town Roleblocker, or a Scum Non-Roleblocker who was reading over MentalGuy’s shoulder–and if it’s the latter, we’ll find out tomorrow, the next day at the latest. I had a note about the win condition thing, but I hadn’t seen an explicit claim from you. True about the role blocker thing, although he couldn’t have read over **MentalGuy** ’s shoulder last Night. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Out of curiosity, do you think my being the first to bring up that (some) town power roles don’t have win conditions means anything in relation to me being a PFK or survivor? I’ll check: [Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11430728#post11430728): There are no Crimson Thorns! [pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11430966&postcount=521): There so are because I win when they are dead. [NAF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11431011&postcount=523): Meeko as third party wouldn’t show ignorance about the town win condition. Since I doesn’t seem to have one, he’s a power role. [pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11431072#post11431072): Why you think power roles have different win conditions [NAF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11431166&postcount=530): Oops, I fucked up. So yes, you could have slipped up as town, although you do mention in the same post that one should be careful about win conditions if you don’t want to draw attention. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Also, why wouldn’t I request protection? Why are you turning that into a smudge? Because of your opinion a vigilante should kill Night One as the information gain is worth the possible loss of town, I find your self-protect Night Two an odd choice while you could have been tracking. I understand you requested protection Today because you can’t self-protect since you claim to have used a Day action - but you don’t say why you’re more important than the other obvious targets ( **cucuy** or **Nanook** himself or even **Oredigger** or **MHaye** ). If you had argued the pros and cons of protecting yourself instead of others, that would have been more pro-town in my opinion. The other things is the power you duplicate from other roles, although with evidence for two role blockers that balances it out a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/893 "2009-08-20T21:08:10Z")
Thinking about how to use the powers best: **MHaye** could watch you to see if you don’t go out Tonight, but watching a vanilla could also catch them in a lie. Watching the other powers is of course also an option, but they get checked in other ways as well and are more likely to end up dead. So I prefer the information gain spread out over more players, the same goes for **cucuy** ’s investigation. For a vigilantes on the other hand I think it’s more useful to target people under suspicion, but not lynched. That way they had time to defend themselves. The delayed death information hurts here though, plus that a lot of people have claimed power roles, so if wrong it’s hurts a bit more than a vanilla death. Of course just my opinion, power roles should decide what they think is the best action. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/894 "2009-08-20T21:18:19Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Nice list, Natlaw, a few things though. > > Firstly, I claimed VT at some point along the line. > > Secondly, since a scum roleblocker already died, and the idea of 2 scum roleblockers is silly, we can conclude either he’s a Town Roleblocker, or a Scum Non-Roleblocker who was reading over MentalGuy’s shoulder–and if it’s the latter, we’ll find out tomorrow, the next day at the latest. Well, MentalGuy was lynched last Night and Joey says he did get the Slutty PM last Night. So unless Mental was whoring it up from beyond the grave, I would say there is actually a slut out there. That is not guarantee that the slut does what Digger says she does though. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/895 "2009-08-20T21:26:59Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > I had a note about the win condition thing, but I hadn’t seen an explicit claim from you. True about the role blocker thing, although he couldn’t have read over **MentalGuy** ’s shoulder last Night. > I’ll check: > [Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11430728#post11430728): There are no Crimson Thorns! > [pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11430966&postcount=521): There so are because I win when they are dead. > [NAF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11431011&postcount=523): Meeko as third party wouldn’t show ignorance about the town win condition. Since I doesn’t seem to have one, he’s a power role. > [pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11431072#post11431072): Why you think power roles have different win conditions > [NAF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11431166&postcount=530): Oops, I fucked up. > So yes, you could have slipped up as town, although you do mention in the same post that one should be careful about win conditions if you don’t want to draw attention. > > Because of your opinion a vigilante should kill Night One as the information gain is worth the possible loss of town, I find your self-protect Night Two an odd choice while you could have been tracking. > I understand you requested protection Today because you can’t self-protect since you claim to have used a Day action - but you don’t say why you’re more important than the other obvious targets ( **cucuy** or **Nanook** himself or even **Oredigger** or **MHaye** ). If you had argued the pros and cons of protecting yourself instead of others, that would have been more pro-town in my opinion. > > The other things is the power you duplicate from other roles, although with evidence for two role blockers that balances it out a bit. All my stuff is limited. I told you that already. I don’t want to waste another tracking ability right now. I don’t just get to track people as often as I want to. I don’t get to use a protect as often as I want to either. I said protect me instead of cucuy because I think my role is stronger than his if he can’t get proper reads. I did suggest that Nanook protect himself also, go back and actually read my post. I don’t think it really matters if Digger is killed or not, though if he is a townie and not third party of some sort (who knows) I think I am still a more powerful role. Anyway, it was a weird thing to smudge about. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/896 "2009-08-20T23:31:04Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Make that some still question the way you play, for example your recent post. > > Why does it have to be in all bold? Why don’t you spend three second thinking about the answers yourself? Just hit preview instead of post and come back later and check if your post makes sense. \*\*Which way do you want it guys? Do you want me explaining myself and my thoughts, or don’t you? \*\* And hey, Natlaw, perhaps I Wanted you guys to think about the same things. Seems to me that is the only way Town can ever do anything, is if they think on the same, or nearly similar ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/897 "2009-08-20T23:32:40Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Perhaps your point was that we shouldn’t lynch **Storyteller** because of these what if questions - but that wasn’t clear and thus doesn’t help convince anyone to move there vote. No, _ **THAT** _ point was made time and again by me already, earlier today. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/898 "2009-08-20T23:35:07Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > That being said, if I can move closer to thinking that Story is scum, than I am now, I have no reservations voting for him. I am just, still not at a place where I can officially vote for him. Given that we have some time left in the day, I don’t think this is that anti-town. > > I want to make sure I know, as best as we can know, what my vote means for the game, and for me, and my powers, if I have any. And with this being quoted; I can now move closer to voting. **Vote Storyteller.** Nothing OOG my man, you are one of the few that understand me. But, given what I was dealt this game, this seems to me to be the best time to vote for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/899 "2009-08-21T00:10:41Z")
\*\*Vote Count: JoeyP(1): Oredigger Storyteller(7): AllWalker, CatInASuit, Pedescribe, Mhaye, NAF, Natlaw, Meeko\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/900 "2009-08-21T03:58:21Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > But, given what I was dealt this game, this seems to me to be the best time to vote for you. Ya know, this quote, combined with some of the questions you’ve asked and the way you’ve acted in general really pings me. I understand you’re an outside the box kinda guy, and you tend to just post your thoughts as you get them, which is cool. But this game, I really get the feeling you’re going above and beyond that. That you’re being purposely over the top even for yourself. And that makes me think you’re scum and doing your damnest to stir up as much drama as you can. Since there’s at least a possibilty of Story being a bomb, I won’t vote for him Today. But I’ll vote for the person I next think is likely to be scum. **Vote Meeko** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=46)