# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1001 "2009-08-24T18:30:46Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Well at least we now know that **cucuy** ’s fail percentage gives him a false reading instead of no reading. Of course, you all won’t know that until I’m dead. But it’s my job as a vanilla townie to die at some point. Here’s my PM: Unless you are a Miller in which case we still don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1002 "2009-08-24T20:11:59Z")
If he’s a miller I would hope that he claims miller and doesn’t just go quietly. Miller’s are town. In fact, in my opinion Miller’s should always claim Day 1 right out of the gate, but that’s just me. @Z, I know they are. I don’t know what to say about that one. Like I said, I do have the power to stop the lynch which I think would be a power that would never be given to scum. It doesn’t rule me out as third party, but I am not expecting to make it to endgame, so I don’t know that it matters. Hell, it might not matter anyway. **Mahaloth could I get a restatement of the town wincon? Sorry, but not having it in my PM kinda blows since I can’t reference it easily.** ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1003 "2009-08-24T20:17:38Z")
It’s my understanding that Millers aren’t always told they they are Millers. Couple that will an investigator who isn’t always right and it makes it a bit more fun. BTW, what’s you’re reasoning for claiming Miller right away. ISTM that could be seen as a (risky) scum move. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1004 "2009-08-24T20:18:33Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Well at least we now know that **cucuy** ’s fail percentage gives him a false reading instead of no reading. Of course, you all won’t know that until I’m dead. But it’s my job as a vanilla townie to die at some point. Here’s my PM: > > Your guess is as good as mine for what that means. Be leery of any other players using that role claim from now on since I believe I’m the first to post it. > > Good luck town! I don’t have much else to say at this point. \*\*FWIW, that Role as posted [[Not saying that Diver is the role he just posted]] screams “Hated Townie” to me, meaning that Diver needs one less vote than normal. \*\* Also, I wonder if he would tie with anyone, or if he would automatically break the tie, just by being hated… just a wag on that last part. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1005 "2009-08-24T20:20:21Z")
I’m getting very suspicious of Oredigger. He roleblocked Joey, there was no nightkill. Last night, he blocked NAF. Not because it would help the town (like blocking joey again would have), but because it would help himself. Consider: NAF has some stuff going for him. He first admitted to no wincon, strongly indicating Power Towniness. He has a Lynch Stopping power, rarely given to anything but town. Furthermore, he specifically went against the facts of the Dawn Post in order to justify his reasoning. I’m wondering…what if Oredigger’s a cultist? Think about it–he hasn’t touched the same person twice, even when it was beneficial to do so. He made it his first priority to build town cred. NAF would be a good choice for a recruit, since he’s got a wide variety of powers. And the color fits–he could be a Madame, looking to build a troupe of whores. Or a succubus, hoping to mark everyone in the town (after all, there’s been marks of supernaturalisms). I’m not saying we should lynch him today–not when USCDiver’s a better target. But maybe toMorrow, it would be a good choice. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1006 "2009-08-24T20:24:16Z")
Anyone to second that Cucuy might be a third? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1007 "2009-08-24T20:26:06Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m getting very suspicious of Oredigger. > > I’m wondering…what if Oredigger’s a cultist? Think about it–he hasn’t touched the same person twice, even when it was beneficial to do so. He made it his first priority to build town cred. NAF would be a good choice for a recruit, since he’s got a wide variety of powers. And the color fits–he could be a Madame, looking to build a troupe of whores. Or a succubus, hoping to mark everyone in the town (after all, there’s been marks of supernaturalisms). I’m not saying we should lynch him today–not when USCDiver’s a better target. But maybe toMorrow, it would be a good choice. > [@Meeko](#): > > Digger, I am concerned here. Do you need to cover your tracks for some reason? Do you need to set town up, in such a way, to accept your scummy ways? Pede, does this help you? Should we switch? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1008 "2009-08-24T20:29:01Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m getting very suspicious of Oredigger. He roleblocked Joey, there was no nightkill. Last night, he blocked NAF. Not because it would help the town (like blocking joey again would have), but because it would help himself. Consider: NAF has some stuff going for him. He first admitted to no wincon, strongly indicating Power Towniness. He has a Lynch Stopping power, rarely given to anything but town. Furthermore, he specifically went against the facts of the Dawn Post in order to justify his reasoning. Note: the last two he’s are Oredigger, referring to his cheery claim that the doctor was awesome, despite the specific description of story as “ordinary Crimson Thorn”. This struck me as an attempt to justify his blocking decision. Meeko, I saw your post. I highly doubt Oredigger’s scum, given that the scum already lost a prostitute. I’m just not sure he’s town, either. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1009 "2009-08-24T20:30:04Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\* > NatLaw, who had tears in his eyes, said, “You poor people. I don’t have anything to say. I was just an ordinary townsperson and now I am dead. Oh, you will have to be creative, by the way.” > > \*\* Creative. As in, non “standard” as in, non linear. As in Third Party. \*\* Mahaloth, is there a faction known as DOOM in this game? \*\* Yeah, F4. I know, but at least this way, I get to ask, and make my thoughts known, at the same exact time. Town, take note of my question, please. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1010 "2009-08-24T20:42:23Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > But it’s my job as a vanilla townie to die at some point. This just strikes me as odd and as " off " . \*\* Elaborate please. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1011 "2009-08-24T21:50:52Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Just over an Hour, eh? > > Darn. > > Ok gang, I’m off for another turn at dropping of a job application. Wish me luck, again. Good luck, Meeko. I assume it’s been delivered by now, but good luck anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1012 "2009-08-24T23:46:15Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Good luck, Meeko. > > I assume it’s been delivered by now, but good luck anyway. > [@Meeko](#): > > They told me, that “down the line” the “best I can do is 10-12 hours”. > > I simply said in response “It’s a lot better than what I have now”. ☹ > > But, then again, if you talk about hours to someone, that means you have a good chance, right? On the upswing, if I get my job before the next game, that might influence my post count. We can all hope. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1013 "2009-08-24T23:56:52Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > **Mahaloth could I get a restatement of the town wincon? Sorry, but not having it in my PM kinda blows since I can’t reference it easily.** \*\*I posted it around Day Two or so. Anyway: Town wins when it kills off all the Crimson Thorns. \*\* > [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > Mahaloth, is there a faction known as DOOM in this game? \*\* **No comment.** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1014 "2009-08-25T02:05:44Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > This just strikes me as odd and as " off " . > \*\* > Elaborate please. \*\* That shouldn’t really be odd to you. The best thing for a vanilla town player to do is to get nightkilled: it means that another Town player doesn’t get killed, and hopefully, it means your death has prevented a cop/doc/mason from dying. Getting lynched is suboptimal, obviously, as it means that the town hasn’t hit scum, but its a lot better than forcing a power role to claim to save themselves, right? Obviously, you have responsibilities to search out scum as a vanilla townie, and it’s fine and dandy to make it to endgame, but an unconfirmable (Miller) townie just doesn’t have that luxury, usually. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1015 "2009-08-25T02:20:53Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **No comment.** \*\*FTR: I am willing to bet, that ONE DAY, you will make a win con, where if Town says the magic word, the duck will come down, pay 100 bucks, and win the game for town. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1016 "2009-08-25T02:51:37Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*FTR: I am willing to bet, that ONE DAY, you will make a win con, where if Town says the magic word, the duck will come down, pay 100 bucks, and win the game for town. \*\* He said we have to kill all the CTs. FOr what its worth, that means that the third party players (if any) can’t win (or win with us, which I’m fine with) if we just kill all the normal scum off. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1017 "2009-08-25T02:52:12Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m getting very suspicious of Oredigger. He roleblocked Joey, there was no nightkill. Last night, he blocked NAF. Not because it would help the town (like blocking joey again would have), but because it would help himself. Consider: NAF has some stuff going for him. He first admitted to no wincon, strongly indicating Power Towniness. He has a Lynch Stopping power, rarely given to anything but town. Furthermore, he specifically went against the facts of the Dawn Post in order to justify his reasoning. I thought about blocking Joey again but if the CTs get to pick their killer, which is the only way I know a role block would work, then why would they pick Joey again? I didn’t think I could get lucky and pick whoever the killer would be. So I though about where I could accomplish something for sure, blocking NAF for the reasons I already outlined. By the way I didn’t go against the Dawn post because Maholith said that Story choose who to kill. It was a reasonable assumption that if the dead CT is the one choosing then his lynch might be a reason for getting the choice. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1018 "2009-08-25T03:32:27Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > It was a reasonable assumption that if the dead CT is the one choosing then his lynch might be a reason for getting the choice. At best, this needs a few commas. At worst, 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1019 "2009-08-25T04:00:59Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > By the way I didn’t go against the Dawn post because Maholith said that Story choose _who to kill_. It was a reasonable assumption that if the dead CT is the one choosing then his lynch might be a reason for getting the choice. Italics mine. :dubious: It says no such thing. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1020 "2009-08-25T06:48:39Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Italics mine. > > :dubious: It says no such thing. Um, quotes are already in all italics but I’m with you here. The Dawn color says nothing concrete about what happened. Some of you are making a lot of assumptions about last Night, bordering on PIS. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=52)