# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1041 "2009-08-25T21:42:20Z")
OOG [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11484021](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11484021) \*\*Looks like we just got sold. \*\* Do we, players of Mafia have a contingency? Or Are we all over at Idle’s anyway? /OOG ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1042 "2009-08-25T21:50:09Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Just like I said over and over to Meeko Yesterday, there is no chance in hell that we’re at LYLO. Perhaps I should strongly state that I don’t believe we are at LYLO. …Oh wait. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1043 "2009-08-25T22:24:30Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > OOG > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11484021](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11484021) > > \*\*Looks like we just got sold. \*\* > Do we, players of Mafia have a contingency? > > Or Are we all over at Idle’s anyway? > > /OOG For those of you who aren’t: [Idle’s](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?). A new game should be starting in a week or so. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1044 "2009-08-26T06:16:00Z")
Guys, I don’t think that **story** was any sort of bomber. Why? A few reasons. 1. When he died, he flipped Ordinary Crimson Thorn. Not CT Bomber or anything, straight vanilla Scum. 2. If we assume story bombed **NatLaw** , then we must assume that the ordinary NK failed, again. Highly unlikely, though not impossible. As for why the colour said that story chose NatLaw, I don’t know. But in the face of these two points I have to assume that the colour was strickly meaningless. Oh, and **Meeko** - I love the idea of doing a WoW on the mod. That made my day :D. It was useful, too. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1045 "2009-08-26T09:31:56Z")
Hmm, first off: **vote USCDiver** as it is the sensible play for today. It is curious though that he was the person actually lynched **MentalGuy** , whereas \*\*cucay \*\*tied the votes at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1046 "2009-08-26T13:12:54Z")
I basically have to concur with **AllWalker**. **Meeko** , and pretty much everyone else even discussing this–the only sane course of action is to assume that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*is telling the truth and the whole truth when he says things like “Story was an ordinary Crimson Thorn and is now 100% dead”. If he’s lying, then we’re not really playing Mafia in the same way that a referee allowing a quarterback to have a baseball bat has made that game not football. \*\*Mahaloth \*\*must be taken at face value in non-color pronouncements at all times or the “game” becomes nonsensical. If he’s deliberately lying to us, we can punish him later. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1047 "2009-08-26T19:32:41Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Oh, and **Meeko** - I love the idea of doing a WoW on the mod. That made my day :D. It was useful, too. I hope you are being serious. It’s just, as far as my experience goes, this game is the head scratchiest. I figured that if we could put nights against each other, something might pop out. At the very least, we don’t have to go so far upthread anymore. I just feel that we are kinda locked in for today, but, we wont have that luxury tommorow. (To be frank, that’s exactly what it is, in terms of the lock, and the fact that it is a luxury at this point, and that it is limited in its duration.) ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1048 "2009-08-26T19:35:42Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Hmm, first off: > > vote USCDiver > > as it is the sensible play for today. It is curious though that he was the person actually lynched **MentalGuy** , whereas \*\*cucay \*\*tied the votes at that point. But, CIAS, werent you one of the first people to comment on the math of doing a 1:1 this early in the game? ((That even if Cucuy is scum, the intel now [Regardless of it’s quality] is better than the lynch?)) ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1049 "2009-08-27T00:16:09Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > But, CIAS, werent you one of the first people to comment on the math of doing a 1:1 this early in the game? ((That even if Cucuy is scum, the intel now [Regardless of it’s quality] is better than the lynch?)) You’ll notice he did vote for Diver, not cucuy. It’s something that is worth noting, should Diver turn up vanilla, non-millerized town. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1050 "2009-08-27T03:31:44Z")
If I’m a Miller it will be news to me. My death will simply serve as a reminder that **cucuy** ’s investigations are not 100% accurate and will clarify that his failed investigations yield an incorrect result instead of no result. That’s an important fact to know going into the end game. All further players that \*\*cucuy \*\*examines should be evaluated individually. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1051 "2009-08-27T03:35:50Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I hope you are being serious. Of course. It was an amusing, but good, idea. Keeping a close eye on the colour might be a time sink, but there might actually be clues in there. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1052 "2009-08-27T04:07:13Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Of course. It was an amusing, but good, idea. Keeping a close eye on the colour might be a time sink, but there might actually be clues in there. Let me just say this, I am glad that the game in general is past subbing me. I’m not so sure I could pull out another case as I did on pede earlier. But, I am not putting anything on. That was me, and that is still within me to do again, perhaps in a later game. It is because it was not faked, that I can not make another one. I am not in the same place now as I was then, and frankly, the game has gone on past that moment, in so many ways. Very truly, the WOW gets harder as the game goes on, right? [And obviously, I can understand full well, why it is a tall order to WOW me.] * * * Then again, after this lynch, we will have new things to do. Just. as we can all agree, it is kinda locked up for today. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1053 "2009-08-27T17:03:36Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > If I’m a Miller it will be news to me. My death will simply serve as a reminder that **cucuy** ’s investigations are not 100% accurate and will clarify that his failed investigations yield an incorrect result instead of no result. That’s an important fact to know going into the end game. All further players that \*\*cucuy \*\*examines should be evaluated individually. It’s cucuy’s responsibility to figure these things out. And he should do it before we hang you up to dry, if he’s not sure about the result of a false investigation. My role PM was very clear on the result of a failed vigging. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1054 "2009-08-27T17:30:49Z")
I disagree. If he’s simply told his investigations are 75% accurate, but he’s not told what kind of result the other 25% will give (ie false reading vs no reading) then he has to assume that when he is giving a result it is accurate until proven otherwise. Now if he’s been told that his investigations might yield an incorrect reading and he’s been withholding that information from us, then he should be a prime lynch candidate for Tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1055 "2009-08-28T03:36:04Z")
\*\*FTR: is everyone else as gridlocked as I am, right now? I mean, the game really is going this slow, on purpose, right? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1056 "2009-08-28T06:59:03Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > If I’m a Miller it will be news to me. My death will simply serve as a reminder that **cucuy** ’s investigations are not 100% accurate and will clarify that his failed investigations yield an incorrect result instead of no result. That’s an important fact to know going into the end game. All further players that \*\*cucuy \*\*examines should be evaluated individually. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > It’s cucuy’s responsibility to figure these things out. And he should do it before we hang you up to dry, if he’s not sure about the result of a false investigation. My role PM was very clear on the result of a failed vigging. > [@USCDiver](#): > > I disagree. If he’s simply told his investigations are 75% accurate, but he’s not told what kind of result the other 25% will give (ie false reading vs no reading) then he has to assume that when he is giving a result it is accurate until proven otherwise. > > Now if he’s been told that his investigations might yield an incorrect reading and he’s been withholding that information from us, then he should be a prime lynch candidate for Tomorrow. The afterwards restriction has made me difficult it speaks. I know if my researches fail. In this case, as before, I have the complete confidence in my conclusions. If [lintsarisma] reveals to you you are not who I say that you are, I accept the complete responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1057 "2009-08-28T07:36:26Z")
Sorry, guys the wedding festivities started today and i havent had time to devote to the game. I’m not sure if I mentioned my little sister is getting married Saturday. Tonight was the wedding rehursle and since I’m the only local I had to take everyone out to the bars. Luckily the doesnt seem to be much going on the Day since Diver’s lync is garunteed. But 'I still want to apoligize for my lack of participation. Just for those of you who play with me on a regular basis I think this is y first drunk mafia post. I won’t be arround for the lynch tomorrow since we didn’t do the rehursal, several of the groomsmen didn’t make it into town in time so we going to try again at 9:00 am, I’m thinking I wson’t make the 30 min drive in time considering it’s only 7 hours away. Anyhow, I’m sorry for my lack of participation but I don’t think I’m hurting the town any. Since I’m short on time does. any one want to discuss who I should sleep with? lates Digger. (also jy first signed post) ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1058 "2009-08-28T08:09:10Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > The afterwards restriction has made me difficult it speaks. > > I know if my researches fail. In this case, as before, I have the complete confidence in my conclusions. > > If [lintsarisma] reveals to you you are not who I say that you are, I accept the complete responsibility. That would tie in with BS. P.I’s comment about everyone knowing if he failed a one-hit kill at Night. Of course, the question then remains, that if cucay is wrong about USCDiver, then is it an effect of Nanook’s protection given that no-one else has had a post restriction in this game yet. Here is hoping that the question is academic. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1059 "2009-08-28T09:42:37Z")
I have to go out in an hour. By the time I’ve done what I have to, returne and eaten it’s likely to be an hour or so before Dusk. USCDiver’s lynch looks like a foregone conclusion, with 10 voters piled on him already; the only exceptions being USCDiver himself, Oredigger (who seems to be … preoccupied) and myself. I was contemplating deliberately not voting, so as to have someone off the Diver vote in case there’s a consequence for not voting the same way as an otherwise-unanimous vote. I think, however, that there is no sense in two players taking that risk, and Oredigger has volunteered. **Vote USCDiver**. We await Tomorrow with trepidation. Hopefully I can use the Night to reread again and get my head back in this game. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1060 "2009-08-28T14:34:54Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > The afterwards restriction has made me difficult it speaks. > > I know if my researches fail. In this case, as before, I have the complete confidence in my conclusions. > > If [lintsarisma] reveals to you you are not who I say that you are, I accept the complete responsibility. Oh, that’s not good. Unfortunately, you may be up for lynch Tomorrow unless I somehow turn out to be a Miller. I don’t know why a Scum investigator would sacrifice himself to throw me under the bus at this stage in the game. So hopefully your investigation results are due to the same Babelfish affliction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=54)