# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1101 "2009-08-31T16:20:09Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > So… That means Cucuy got a ‘correct’ reading, so we still don’t know what happens when he get’s a bad reading. I’m under a gag rule, or else I’d show you my results. I had very good information that USCDiver was a member of CT. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Well this sucks. I tracked JoeyP last Night, but got inconclusive results. I didn’t know that inconclusive was a possibility, but apperantly my inventions don’t always work all that well. And my tracking device is now broken, so that sucks. > I wonder why diver didn’t claim miller before he died? He was telling the truth and no one believed him. I’m sorry, USCDiver. > [@NAF1138](#): > > My machine is a radar tracker. So at first it showed that you left your house, then is flickered and showed that you did nothing. Then I was told that I think the machine malfunctioned and now it doesn’t work. I investigated **JoeyP** last night. My results showed him as Town. **Nanook** probably protected me last Night, and paid the price. I don’t know for sure. I will probably get hit toNight— I don’t expect **NAF** to protect me, you should use your power for something or someone else, maybe yourself. Right now I’m beginning to suspect I’ve been fed misinformation, although I was right about **Story**. Can it be possible that someone I investigate may show up to belong to one side but appears under investigation (or tracking) to belong to the other? I’m thinking about a power role like a Godfather or other Alpha Scum role which can confound investigators. Or possibly a Magician who can make someone appear Scum who is Town? ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1102 "2009-08-31T16:21:36Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I might be able to shed some light on the confusion, although I am a bit confused why **Joey** doesn’t know what happened. I slept with **Joey** again last night. How strange: All three of us singled out **JoeyP**. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1103 "2009-08-31T17:03:45Z")
I find myself most swayed right now by the idea that \*\*JoeyP \*\*didn’t indicate that he’d been prostituted. That more or less points to either \*\*Oredigger \*\*lying or **JoeyP**. With the reality of \*\*cucuy’s \*\*investigatory results being inconsistent, I don’t know that his testimony is necessarily enough to sway things one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1104 "2009-08-31T20:18:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I wonder why diver didn’t claim miller before he died? He did, as much as he could have. He noted that his PM suggested that he might have been a miller. I don’t think that realy would have changed anything, though. Closed game, plus a Cop who’s been right before doesn’t give much leeway for a Miller. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1105 "2009-08-31T21:06:16Z")
Okay, Oredigger, don’t sweat it, According to Mah, I had a night of fantastic sex (but apparently _someone_ feels it’s okay to give me a good screwing and not bother to PM the next Day.:dubious: In any case, I did finally get the PM. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1106 "2009-08-31T22:23:07Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\* > USCDiver, who was a townsperson Suspicious Guy\*\*, is 100% dead. He was Town.[/SIZE] > > \*\* A Miller kind of character, but obviously not a Death Miller. [/SIZE] > \*\* \*\*Is it simply a matter of every Diver investingation comming up as scum? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1107 "2009-08-31T22:25:19Z")
I’ve been thinking about how all of the investigation results could play out the way they did and I have not idea why he would be town but leave the house only to be brought back (presumably be myself). But much like our bomb discussion yesterDay I’m not it’s relevant. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1108 "2009-08-31T22:25:41Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Okay, Oredigger, don’t sweat it, According to Mah, I had a night of fantastic sex (but apparently _someone_ feels it’s okay to give me a good screwing and not bother to PM the next Day.:dubious: > In any case, I did finally get the PM. Yikes, really? Mah, are you fucking with us or is Joey? Scratch that, don’t bother answering, I don’t actually want to know. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1109 "2009-08-31T22:27:51Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*Is it simply a matter of every Diver investingation comming up as scum? \*\* Ummm . . . Joey came up as town. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1110 "2009-08-31T22:32:23Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I’ve been thinking about how all of the investigation results could play out the way they did and I have not idea why he would be town but leave the house only to be brought back (presumably be myself). But much like our bomb discussion yesterDay I’m not it’s relevant. Yeah, I don’t know that we should go down that path. I think Mah was just trying to be creative in the way he told me that my attempt at tracking failed and I don’t know anything. I am starting to wonder if I have a faliure rate that I don’t know about built into my devices. Between Story and Joey it seems like it’s not just a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1111 "2009-09-01T00:15:33Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Ummm . . . Joey came up as town. Wasnt talking anywhere near Joey. I was takling about Diver, and if anyone investigating him, would get a town result. What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1112 "2009-09-01T01:08:17Z")
So… what do we have here? 1. I am willing to assume that **cucuy** ’s investigations are always accurate, or fail. The **Diver** reading gave a false Scum result because he was a Miller. Why he didn’t claim Miller, I don’t know, but it seems like he himself did not know. But anyway, I am going to assume that **JoeyP** is Town based on the latest investigation. 2. **NAF** , your machine broke. Is that because of each of your powers having limited usage? 3. I think the delay in the **Oredigger** slutting it up with Joey PM is simply a mistake or natural delay on **Mahaloth** ’s part - I don’t think it means anything, or that he is screwing with us. 4. Time to go on a good old fashioned Scum hunt. Post analysis ahoy! ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1113 "2009-09-01T01:18:19Z")
Since I’m not sure how to progress from here, I figured I’d look back at the player list, since I’m sorta forgetting who’s in and who’s not. 1. Zeriel (claimed VT) 2. Tom Scud Cucuy (claimed investigator, 25% failure rate. Was right about story, wrong about Diver. Says Joey is town) 3. MHaye (Claimed sucky watcher) 4. Pedescribe (VT) 5. NAF 1138 (Claimed Inventor [specifics: self-protect, track, daykill, lynch stopper], possible failure rate) 6. Meeko (claimed VT) 7. JoeyP (claimed VT) 8. AllWalker 9. Oredigger (Claimed Slut [roleblocker]) 10. Boozahol Squid, P.I. (Claimed Wimpy Vig, 25% failure rate + visibility) 11. CatInASuit 12. Storyteller (Dead CT) 13. Nanook of the North Shore (Dead Doctor, unknown failure rate) 14. Freudian Slit (Dead VT) 15. Alka Seltzer USCDiver (Dead Suspicious Guy [Miller]) 16. Ro0sh Natlaw (Dead VT) 17. MentalGuy (Dead CT Prostitute [roleblocker]) 18. SpecialEd (Dead VT) (If I missed anything, tell me) 'K, first of all, we have 4 mislynches to work with, assuming 4 CTs at the beginning and no win-stealing third parties. Second, there’s a lot of claims, but with the exception of Oredigger (scum team probably doesn’t have 2 sex-based roles) none of them are confirmed. Remember, many scum teams will have an investigator, meaning a cop with an ‘out’ is a good role to claim. I could see Cucuy or MHaye being scum. Actually, given the timing of Cucuy’s claim (randomly, and while other people were claiming), it seems kinda likely to be a scum investigator…[I’m] probably gonna do a WoW on him later… Anyway, if NAF really can stop the lynch, his role would probably be a townie one, so his is kinda town, though he could be lying about it. He’s almost certainly a power role, since he was the one to bring up the ‘power roles don’t have win cons’ thing. Boozy…I dunno. I will say this, though–if you think you have a clear shot, take it. We’ve got some breathing room, one dead townie won’t hurt us considerably. Also, given the number of claims out there, I doubt that there’s any more power roles out there, or a masonry. So we’ve pretty much got the stage set, at this point. All that’s left is the scum-hunting. Unless, of course, there’s a win-stealing third party out there. But at this point, I’m doubting it. There’s only a few places they could hide, and Oredigger hit the same guy twice, plus given the unambiguity of the win con, it looks to me like a purely town-vs.-scum showdown. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1114 "2009-09-01T01:49:08Z")
Two things, Ped. First, Since Diver came up Miller, Cucuy technically got a correct read on him. Second, I’ve never been in a game where someone had the power to stop a lynch, so I have to ask…Why is that automatically considered a Town role…unless they have an investigative power as well. ISTM that a power like that would be better suited for Scum. It would give them the power to put off a scum lynch (for at least another Day) while also stopping a mislynch for town cred. OTOH if that role belongs to Town, how would they know which lynch to stop? I guess, then, it’s like a roleblocker where they would just go with their gut feeling. Make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1115 "2009-09-01T01:57:26Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Two things, Ped. > First, Since Diver came up Miller, Cucuy technically got a correct read on him. > > Second, I’ve never been in a game where someone had the power to stop a lynch, so I have to ask…Why is that automatically considered a Town role…unless they have an investigative power as well. ISTM that a power like that would be better suited for Scum. It would give them the power to put off a scum lynch (for at least another Day) while also stopping a mislynch for town cred. OTOH if that role belongs to Town, how would they know which lynch to stop? I guess, then, it’s like a roleblocker where they would just go with their gut feeling. > Make sense? 1. Yup, I messed up. 2. Because, generally speaking, it’s a powerful role for scum, whereas for town…not so much. As such, it’s rarely ever used as a scum role. (although I grant it could be…) and Given the other parts NAF’s claimed, it seems unliekly that he woudl be scum, due to power levels (assuming he’s being honest). ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1116 "2009-09-01T02:22:49Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Boozy…I dunno. I will say this, though–if you think you have a clear shot, take it. We’ve got some breathing room, one dead townie won’t hurt us considerably. THat’s rough, as some of my biggest suspicions are on claimed towny power roles, **NAF** and **cucuy** specifically. I’m really wondering where **Cat** ’s been in this game. He’s usually a fairly engaged player, and it’s not like he’s been -silent-, but he’s a lot quieter than I’m used to seeing him. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1117 "2009-09-01T03:12:12Z")
What can we make of people who have not claimed anything yet? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1118 "2009-09-01T05:56:52Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > What can we make of people who have not claimed anything yet? That we haven’t claimed, and not much else. I will gladly claim if that is what people want. It would probably be a good idea, seeing as how nearly everyone has claimed. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1119 "2009-09-01T07:51:06Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > THat’s rough, as some of my biggest suspicions are on claimed towny power roles, **NAF** and **cucuy** specifically. > I’m really wondering where **Cat** ’s been in this game. He’s usually a fairly engaged player, and it’s not like he’s been -silent-, but he’s a lot quieter than I’m used to seeing him. I don’ have quiet as much time these days but I am following along. A few notes from me. One, I am a vanilla townsperson. Two, I am not going to assume that Oredigger is not scum just because he is another roleblocker. He could well be a backup scum roleblocker for all we know. Given the extra colour passed out due to Orediggers actions, I am surprised we didn’t have two people claim a great Night on Night 1. Three, The last game I played in with a lynch stop, it was held by the scum. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1120 "2009-09-01T07:57:43Z")
**Final Day One Vote Count:** **Freudian** (6): AllWalker, MentalGuy, Storyteller, Boozahol, Pedescribe, **USCDiver** Boozahol (2): **Freudian** , JoeyP NAF (2): CatinASuit, Oredigger Meeko (2): **Specialed** , **Nanook** Tom Scud/Cucuy (1): Zeriel Oredigger (1): NAF Zeriel (1): Tom Scud/Cucuy Pedescribe (1): Meeko, JoeyP (1): MHaye **Final Day Two Vote Count:** **Oredigger** (4): MHaye, CatInASuit, Joey, Pedescribe **MentalGuy** (5): NAF, Zeriel, Oredigger, Cucuy, **USCDiver** **JoeyP** (3): AllWalker, Meeko, Mentalguy **Final Day Three Vote Count:** JoeyP (1): Oredigger **Storyteller** (7): AllWalker, CatInASuit, Pedescribe, Mhaye, NAF, **Natlaw** , Meeko Meeko (1): **Nanook** NAF1138 (1) : storyteller [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=57)