# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1181 "2009-09-03T22:10:31Z")
NETA: I forgot boozy we can replace the watch with a kill and then MHaye is free to check up on the power roles to make sure at least one of us is legit. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1182 "2009-09-03T22:23:02Z")
I think for the plan to succeed, we have to know that Oredigger, Cucuy and Boozy are all targeting different players. That might mean agreeing to the selections before Dusk. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1183 "2009-09-03T22:29:01Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I kind of like NAF’s plan as well but I’ve got an idea; rather then wait until tomorrow to start it why doesn’t NAF day kill Pede today. Then if it works we can lynch someone else in the vanilla pool and decided who we are going to use our powers on and hopefully I can stop the Night kill on him. On the other hand if it doesn’t work we can lynch NAF. > > By my count if we remove two from the vanilla pool then we can watch/block/investigate the remaining people so even if the kill does happen we’ll know who did it or know to look at our power roles. That was my original plan actually, and it has some merrit. It forces scum to decide who is more valuable to kill toNight me or Cucuy. I would be willing to do that, but would rather not derail the Pede lynch. We are getting information from that lynch. I’ll pick someone else if we decide that is how we want to go (probably Zeriel). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1184 "2009-09-03T23:08:16Z")
I don’t know. This seems off to me, Naf. I mean, would we really have a Mafia game with Naf and 19 red shirts? Why do you get all of this power, and who can stop you anyway ? You seem to have an answer to everything, and we are apparently playing Naf’s game, and not Mahaloths. [Just calling it for what it appears to be, I still like you OOG.] I just think you are too powerful to be believed. But, then again, if you are a Pro-town treasure trove, I don’t want to help kill this goose with golden eggs. And, I remind myself, at the same time, that, you could buy my vote anyway, so it really doesn’t matter what I do. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1185 "2009-09-03T23:30:14Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I don’t know. > > This seems off to me, Naf. > > I mean, would we really have a Mafia game with Naf and 19 red shirts? > > Why do you get all of this power, and who can stop you anyway? You seem to have an answer to everything, and we are apparently playing Naf’s game, and not Mahaloths. [Just calling it for what it appears to be, I still like you OOG.] > > I just think you are too powerful to be believed. > > But, then again, if you are a Pro-town treasure trove, I don’t want to help kill this goose with golden eggs. > > And, I remind myself, at the same time, that, you could buy my vote anyway, so it really doesn’t matter what I do. I think you hit the nail on the head Meeko. That’s the problem right now? The question is, is NAF Third Party or scum (not which one, I mean as opposed to town). What really worries me, though…What convinces me of NAF being third party is that your claimed powers seem to overlap with some of the others. For example you can self-protect, but we had a doctor, you can track, but we have an investigator and a watcher, you daykill, but we have a vig and you can stop a lynch…well that’s not really overlapped anywhere, I guess you could say it’s similar to a roleblocker. I’m leaning towards third party, if only because I don’t think you would have claimed all that if you were scum. **Vote NAF** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1186 "2009-09-03T23:38:40Z")
Ok Joey, and stick with me here. Let’s say I am a third party. I am not, but let’s say I am. So assuming that I am some sort of third party serial killer that steals the game win, what is the harm in going along with my plan. Scum still need to kill me, probably toNight. My plan only works if we lynch Pede toDay. If you don’t like the plan that’s one thing, but in that case tell me why and tell me soon so we can modify it. If I have to stop the lynch toDay the plan goes out the window (for the most part, I still think we should stick with it, but if I end up dead in the morning we are in less good shape then if I was able to survive the Night) The more I think about it the more I think I should Daykill toDay. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1187 "2009-09-03T23:47:59Z")
You know what, none of this pussyfooting around. I’m killing Zeriel. Off to PM Maha now. I’ll let you know how it goes (or he will). ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1188 "2009-09-03T23:50:38Z")
Ok, PM sent. And I am leaving the office for the Day. Sorry to take matters into my own hands like that, but both Digger and MHaye support the plan, so it goes into action. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1189 "2009-09-04T00:28:22Z")
\*\*The crowd was small, but was very aggressively debating who they wanted to kill. Arguments were flying everywhere, but some felt little progress was made. A very fast “zing” sound whipped through the crowd. Sounded like something had whirred by _very_ fast. “What was that?” said a few townspeople. Thump. A body hit the floor. It was Zeriel. He had a bullet hole in the middle of his head. Zeriel is now 100% dead. But who was he really?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1190 "2009-09-04T00:54:36Z")
That is so satisfying to see. So, there go MHaye’s objections and one point in the semi gastardly column for Maha. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1191 "2009-09-04T01:23:42Z")
At least we know NAF’s powers are real that’s at least a step in a direction and more then enough for me to go along with his plan, for now. **Vote Pede** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1192 "2009-09-04T01:58:45Z")
Nice move, NAF. I don’t believe a balanced game include daykills for the scum. Third party you may be, but I imagine the scum will take care of you if so. \*\*unvote: Naffaroo \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1193 "2009-09-04T02:26:52Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Pedescribe(4): CatInASuit, NAF, Meeko, Oredigger NAF(2): Zeriel, JoeyP\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1194 "2009-09-04T02:38:34Z")
Mah, a ‘no comment’ answer is fine, but did you purposely leave Zeriel on the list? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1195 "2009-09-04T03:11:04Z")
**HELLO!** Looks like this game just caught fire. :eek: So, the long and the short of it is, is that we are 98% or so certain that Naf is not scum now. Correct? More, he has just made himself a target. Obviously, not from town, but from scum. [[For the moment I am assuming that Naf is not scum]] This undoubtedly makes NAF’s time in this game more limited. He has power. He has mad power. Will he interfere with the Lynch? Will he interfere with Nightpowers? Do we really need to do anything for the rest of the game day, and game night, if our name is not NAF ? Again, we have a gridlock, but, I dare say that if NAF is around tommorow, the game will have a lot more pieces to the puzzle. NAF: Now that you have more or less proven you are what you say you are, and your clock is ticking by, (I am just being frank here), do you want to say anything else? Do your powers come at the cost of something else? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1196 "2009-09-04T03:21:43Z")
**Anyone else slightly pissed at how, totally monopolistic this game has become all of a sudden?** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1197 "2009-09-04T03:27:48Z")
NETA : Scary Thought : If Naf has all the power he says he has, then, we have a LOT more CT than I thought. Someone gave the number at 6 total, around the time of the 50%. This vanilla townie thinks that there is going be a _ **LOT** _ of blood tonight. Power Town : make sure you all dot your i’s and cross your t’s on the plan you have. Check and Double check. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1198 "2009-09-04T03:46:14Z")
\*\*Stand back, the following has Meeko, WIFOM, and Metagamery all in one. You all have been warned. \*\* 1.Naf has power, a lot of power. 2.Naf has demonstrated this power, and there is no reason to believe he is out of power. 3.Town has been, not that good in recent games on guessing how many scum are in a game. 4.In order for this game to NOT be gastardly, a certain amount of balance has to exist. 5.**We have had Cucuy [I believe] state that town started with 6 scum**. [[He said this on the day he had a Post restriction, most likely via translation into, and out of a language.]] 6.This came around the time of \*\*50% \*\* 7.We also have “Be Careful” and other warnings. == I think this game has a LOT more scum in it, than it would first let on. I wonder what information scum is feeding us, and what posts they are gladly adding a “me too” to, in order to help fuel our false assumptions. [[I wonder about Joey, and his “me too” post after mine.]] ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1199 "2009-09-04T03:50:29Z")
That being said, I think we need to start making our math better. I am Vanilla town. I remember that people have investigated me. If you have investigated me, would you mind restating your results? This game would seem to me to be on the fence of going one way or the other. Because it is on that fence, the vanilla’s need to get out of the game, and let those with power get out of the way. I think we can win this, if we are clear about what we need to do. To me, vanilla’s claiming, and getting the hell out of dodge [heh, western reference] one way or another, will only serve to help town. I believe Town has the Vigs and other powers to get this done. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1200 "2009-09-04T03:51:33Z")
It was really only a “me too” vote in the sense that I agreed with you about how much power NAF has. However, I went on to point something out that I think is more meaningful. Each of his powers, save lynch stopping, is very very similar to what someone else already claims to do. That’s what really bugs me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=61)