# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1301 "2009-09-09T15:05:24Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Also, if you lynch cucay today, and he is town you get a confirmed pool of precisely one. Boozy - because he could confirm the role. I am treating all VT reads as basically godfather at this point. If he confirms more power roles and then dies to be revealed as town, our confirmed pool will then grow. I realize you linked to it I was just saying that I thought I remembered his post and failed when I tried to look for it. If there is a godfather we are in trouble, I need to think about the consequences of Joey being the godfather and being sent to do the kill on Night 2. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1302 "2009-09-09T15:08:24Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Who was your second day-Kill? Storyteller, it didn’t work, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1303 "2009-09-09T15:17:31Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Storyteller, it didn’t work, remember? Yeah. Except that Maha seems to love his interludes. And we didn’t get one there. Were you supposed to have two daykills, or did you get an extra one because your first didn’t go off? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1304 "2009-09-09T15:25:03Z")
I was supposed to have two, the first one didn’t work. I think it has to do with the failure rate that I was not made aware of since Story was vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1305 "2009-09-09T19:05:03Z")
If we assume that there is a godfather in the game then there are only two people who can be confirmed as town, NAF and Boozy, I don’t think my wonderful night messages would be enough. Since NAF is probably not town aligned our situation won’t get any better since the scum can just kill Boozy toNight. Further why not kill cucuy after the godfather was announced as investigated because in would put the godfather in a confirmed pool. It might be possible they are still hoping that the godfather will be investigated. I don’t think that assuming a godfather is useful until we get closer to LYLO but having confirmed town to lead us would be. Out of curiosity, boozy, do you think that NAF is scum or third party? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1306 "2009-09-09T19:26:39Z")
\*\*Vote Count NAF(1): Boozahol CatInASuit(3): NAF, Cucuy, CatInASuit CuCuy(1): Oredigger \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1307 "2009-09-09T23:49:54Z")
I’m trying to understand the case against CIAS here. > [@NAF1138](#): > > I can buy votes. I can Day kill, and I can stop the lynch. I can stop the lynch more than once. Now, you may think that I am lying. That’s fine. It’s a hell of a lie. I have also now pushed hard for the lynch of, not one, but two Crimson Thorns. And you see this and think to yourself, “Huh, he’s probably scum.” Really? > > So, I’ll risk getting lynched toDay and getting Night Killed, I think I have probably done the most useful things I can with my powers. I am going to buy your vote. Oh, and I am going to vote for you too. > > **vote CIAS** So if I’m reading this right, NAF, CIAS accused you of being scum and you built a case against him AND you bought his vote. Thing is though, IMHO, it seems to be an OMGUS case. I’m not accusing you, I’m just asking for more info please. It just seems odd that you could have stopped after the first paragraph and it would have made sense, but instead you decided to put TWO votes on him. Not only that, but it seems we are at a time in the game, where the extra vote makes a difference, but for a townie (that is, someone that doesn’t know how many town or scum are left) it’s not necessarily going to make tip the polls unless you have reinforcements to bring up the vote count. IMO, if CIAS is scum, you’ll be a hero for making the right choice, if CIAS is town, you’ll be under the microscope next (unless we are at lylo), not only that, if CIAS is lynched and it’s a close vote, I’d expect another scum to be in that group. > [@cucuy](#): > > If **NAF** is CT with all the powers he claims at his disposal, that would make for a vety unbalanced game. I’m going with the assumption that he is Town. > > And despite my lack of results for last Night, I’ll vote the same. > > **vote CatInASuit** Cucuy, I’m not sure what your case is against CIAS either, other then you seem to be agreeing with NAF and piggy backing on his OMGUS case. Anyone is free to help me out, I just get the feeling I’m missing something here. At the moment, I’m still planning to put my vote on NAF, based on what I said yesterDay as well as some other stuff that I’ve thought of in the mean time. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1308 "2009-09-10T00:08:15Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Anyone is free to help me out, I just get the feeling I’m missing something here. > At the moment, I’m still planning to put my vote on NAF, based on what I said yesterDay as well as some other stuff that I’ve thought of in the mean time. Help me out with what you aren’t understanding, because I am not sure what it is you don’t understand. I am more than happy to clairify. Remind me, why were you going to vote for me yesterDay? And what has been added? Also, what is your understanding of what OMGUS? I ask because I am trying to figure out what you mean when you say that, and weather or not you also think that OMGUS is usually a scum tell. I am voting for Cat primarily because the case he has built against me hold no real water, and in a very metagamey way, that is totally unlike him. He is an extreamly anylitical player and it doesn’t make sense that he is coming to the conclusions he is coming to. I get Boozy. His vote for me contains a contradiciton in his own logic, but that’s fine. That’s actually fairly normal for a player like him. I am not really sure about you because I dont’ remember your case against me. But I do know that CIAS’s case against me makes little sense. And to bring up the contradiction in my claimed powers Cat found, what can I say, I don’t always check my PM before posting. I got it wrong the first time. I can stop the lynch twice, but not toDay since I bought Cat’s vote. Also please to note, the reason I bought his vote was partially because he didn’t believe that I could both Day kill and buy a vote. He thought that it would be too overpowered for scum to actually have those sorts of powers. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1309 "2009-09-10T00:10:03Z")
And another thing. What kind of idiot scum does everyone take me for? I bus two of my own team mates and claim without provocation claiming all sorts of real powers that I actually have? Who does that? That isn’t smart play? If I were actually scum I wouldn’t be advertising these powers. Think that I am third party all you want and I won’t care, but actually saying that I am scum is sort of insulting. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1310 "2009-09-10T03:30:36Z")
Job is taking it’s toll on me already. You will see less of me, that is probably a given. You will still see me however. I need time to reasses my mafia play with the new job… such that it is a job like thing. – unpaid internship. Will get back to you guys later. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1311 "2009-09-10T07:26:28Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > And another thing. > > What kind of idiot scum does everyone take me for? I bus two of my own team mates and claim without provocation claiming all sorts of real powers that I actually have? Who does that? That isn’t smart play? If I were actually scum I wouldn’t be advertising these powers. > > Think that I am third party all you want and I won’t care, but actually saying that I am scum is sort of insulting. A cross between Roosh and storyteller? Actaully NAF1138, your play today has been insulting 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1312 "2009-09-10T07:40:56Z")
Ok, upcoming thoughts seeing as NAF1138 wants me lynched and I may as well get down all the notes I can for reference tomorrow to help the town. 1:The mysterious third party. I would be willing to gamble on it being USCDiver. 2: My Guess on roles in the game with 18 players split out. Town - 13 Doctor Weak Watcher Miller Vanilla x 5 _Partial Investigator One-Shot Vigilante Roleblocker Vanilla x 2_ Scum - 4 _Godfather_ Investigator Roleblocker Vanilla CT Too powerful for the game - 1 _Batman_ Normally we would have 3 masons in a game like this, but that gets replaced by a set of other weak power roles. So yeah, Batman is probably on the town side. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1313 "2009-09-10T07:55:58Z")
Ok, you may as well lynch me today on the grounds that if we are at LoL after effectively 2 1/2 mislynches, then we had very little chance of winning the game as town anyway. We have lynched 1 Vanilla town, 1 Miller and 3 CT. We have had one Night with no NK, one Night with an extra NK and one extra Day Kill. So if it is LoL - we were always stuffed. Next - this > [@NAF1138](#): > > I am voting for Cat primarily because the case he has built against me hold no real water, and in a very metagamey way, that is totally unlike him. He is an extreamly anylitical player and it doesn’t make sense that he is coming to the conclusions he is coming to. You’re trying to metagame me, at this point of the game. Boy, are you going to look stupid by tomorrow morning. 😃 Or you’re scum of course. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1314 "2009-09-10T09:26:38Z")
You know, I’ve just gone back to a post of pedescribe’s again This was following this count > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Vote Count: > > Oredigger(4): MHaye, CatInASuit, Joey, Pedescribe > > MentalGuy(4): NAF, Zeriel, Oredigger, Cucuy > > JoeyP(3): AllWalker, Meeko, Mentalguy with MHaye saying he would switch his vote to JoeyP to break the tie. and then pedescribe said this > [@pedescribe](#): > > The tie is between Digger and Mental. If you switch to Joey, it’ll condemn Mental Given what we know about both Mentalguy and pedescribe, why does this read more and more like PIS on behalf of pedescribe not just about Mental Guy but possibly about JoeyP as well. There are two options I can think of, either a CT tied with a Townie automatically gets lynched. But that would require the CTs to know what the deal with tied lynching would be. Or if two CTs are tied at end of day, JoeyP would rank above MentalGuy. I’m going back to my original hunch **vote JoeyP** 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1315 "2009-09-10T15:09:33Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Ok, you may as well lynch me today on the grounds that if we are at LoL after effectively 2 1/2 mislynches, then we had very little chance of winning the game as town anyway. > > We have lynched 1 Vanilla town, 1 Miller and 3 CT. We have had one Night with no NK, one Night with an extra NK and one extra Day Kill. > > So if it is LoL - we were always stuffed. > Next - this > > You’re trying to metagame me, at this point of the game. Boy, are you going to look stupid by tomorrow morning. 😃 > > Or you’re scum of course. 😉 See, these last two posts sound like the well dressed cat I have come to know and love. And you are right, if you turn up town I will feel stupid in the morning. I made my peace with that a while back. Can we get a vote count please? I am wondering why toDay feels like it has just been you and me talking (with a little bit of Boozy on the side.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1316 "2009-09-10T15:10:34Z")
Scratch the vote request. I missed the one up page somehow. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1317 "2009-09-10T15:22:08Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > See, these last two posts sound like the well dressed cat I have come to know and love. And you are right, if you turn up town I will feel stupid in the morning. I made my peace with that a while back. > > I am wondering why toDay feels like it has just been you and me talking (with a little bit of Boozy on the side.) Yeah well, you have enough stuff there to try and work out what is happening next and yes you will feel stupid in the morning. 😃 Although it’s not too late to change your vote, I doubt you will and besides as you have two votes out of seven you effectively decide who dies today unless everyone else votes for someone else, which somehow I don’t think is going to happen either. Note to everyone else: **vote JoeyP** 😛 I wonder if I can fit some more gloating in before the lynch deadline towards **NAF1138**. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1318 "2009-09-10T16:05:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I am wondering why toDay feels like it has just been you and me talking (with a little bit of Boozy on the side.) Participation has been down toDay and while I’ve been around I haven’t gotten in any conversations. But I was just looking over the vote count and we still have two people from the vanilla pool who haven’t voted. Meeko and Joey but Joey is semi-confirmed and I’ve gotten a pro-town from Meeko the whole game so I don’t want to move my vote to them. I don’t see Boozy as a viable candidate since he’s demonstrated his power and been semi-confirmed as well. Out of the vanillas I think CIAS is the most likely to be scum, unless there is a godfather, but I don’t think the case if very strong right now and I don’t like the fact that NAF is leading the charge with his two votes. At this point unless I jump my vote over to Boozy and the two non voters join me the vote is pretty locked up or we’ll get to see what Maholith has dreamed up for a tie. So I think I’ll still push for the information lynch because we’ll be able to limit the pool for scum to hide in, from my perspective, to three people and I think that’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1319 "2009-09-10T17:06:48Z")
My vote on **CIAS** is partly due to my failure to investigate last Night. And partly because, well, I’m trusting **NAF** in this gambit. This is my first time playing with all of you and I don’t know what your styles or background is. And it’s also my first time in a closed game of this size where powers are not as defined (Wimpy Sheriff, Barney Fife-type Vig). Since there have been no counter-claims to any of the claimed roles, I can only assume they are legitimate claims. As for **NAF** ’s powers, it seems logical it would be for Town and not against Town, like Third Party or CT. While having that much power might unbalance the game towards Town, it balances well against the lesser Town roles. I’m not following **Boozy** ’s argument against **NAF**. Boozy is as solid a Townie as I can believe in this game. There must be other reasons not apparent to me here. **Oredigger** is the only other claimed role I’m not certain about. **JoeyP** came up Town in my previous investigation. I was wrong about **USCDiver** but given his role was colored as “Suspicious Townie” I can believe my investigation focused on the “suspicious” part and mistook that for CT. (I can’t explain more about Joey due to my gag order.) This leaves **CIAS** and **Meeko** as question marks in my book. I’m going to throw the dice and hope it comes up in Town’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1320 "2009-09-10T17:51:01Z")
Actually, someone else work it out. What is it like if the scum have no Godfather in their ranks? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=67)