# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1461 "2009-09-18T15:11:14Z")
I’ve approved people for spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1462 "2009-09-18T15:34:06Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Augh, **Joey** , why didn’t you leave Oredigger alive? If you had no-killed, everyone would have assumed that Oredigger’s block on NAF would have been the reason why. They would have lynched NAF, and we’d have won the game that Night. > > Augh. I really didn’t think of it as option, I was all alone in there and the last thing I wanted to do was add another Day to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1463 "2009-09-18T15:58:35Z")
I’m not sure if I would have gone for a no-kill (too much WiFoM for it to work properly), but I would have killed **Boozahol** instead, or possibly **NAF**. Boozy was just too strongly confirmed, and as Scum, you absolutely need people more suspect than yourself alive in the endgame. And NAF, while being the most suspect Town player left, also still had potentially dangerous powers left. Basically, it’s a question of whether Boozy or NAF would be more likely to vote Oredigger. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1464 "2009-09-18T16:37:18Z")
I nearly had you, Joey. I Watched you the Night you killed me. If you’d left me alive, I could have exposed your lie and got you hung. So killing me that Night was the right choice. Good job. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1465 "2009-09-18T16:48:21Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Boozahol, was there any chance you would have voted for Joey if NAF didn’t force it?** You would have had until 4 PM or so today. I would have ended up voting for Joey. It wasn’t until NAF pulled the ‘I decide things’ card that I switched it back to him. NAF’s role just seemed a little too powerful, along with a scum detective and roleblocker (powerful enough apart, amazingly strong together) to be scummy. Joey had pinged me earlier, but I felt calmed by the kill on the night when he was blocked. The realization that a kill could go through after a block (given both NAF (apparently) and Joey had been blocked on a night a kill happened) that I was going to go back with my gut. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1466 "2009-09-18T16:53:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’m not sure if I would have gone for a no-kill (too much WiFoM for it to work properly), but I would have killed **Boozahol** instead, or possibly **NAF**. Boozy was just too strongly confirmed, and as Scum, you absolutely need people more suspect than yourself alive in the endgame. And NAF, while being the most suspect Town player left, also still had potentially dangerous powers left. Basically, it’s a question of whether Boozy or NAF would be more likely to vote Oredigger. I wouldn’t have voted for Oredigger. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1467 "2009-09-18T16:54:37Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I nearly had you, Joey. I Watched you the Night you killed me. If you’d left me alive, I could have exposed your lie and got you hung. > > So killing me that Night was the right choice. Good job. Yeah, that was lucky. They didn’t win, but the game would have been over a few Days ago if you had lived. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1468 "2009-09-18T16:58:18Z")
Oh, and MHaye, you did have a very lame role. I won’t use something as weak as that again. It would have been better to eliminate some other power and allow you to track properly. Odd that it almost won the game earlier, though. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1469 "2009-09-18T17:07:39Z")
If MHaye had had a proper tracker role (seeing everyone who interacted with a player at night) he would have blown the game open on Night 1. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1470 "2009-09-18T17:44:31Z")
**NAF1138** - If I had left my vote on JoeyP and not voted for you, would you still have taken my vote and tried to get me lynched that Day? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1471 "2009-09-18T17:45:30Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > If MHaye had had a proper tracker role (seeing everyone who interacted with a player at night) he would have blown the game open on Night 1. Exactly, which is why I should have gotten rid of it all together, most likely. For some reason, I just liked the idea. I dunno, maybe it wasn’t so bad. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1472 "2009-09-18T17:48:06Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > **NAF1138** - If I had left my vote on JoeyP and not voted for you, would you still have taken my vote and tried to get me lynched that Day? Probably not, and I would have probably voted for Joey who you made a convincing case for as a lynch candidate. But then you built your case against me and I decided that I couldn’t trust you anymore. Note that I had caught MHaye once in the past as scum on a similar basis, that he created a really weak case and pushed hard for it when that is not his usual MO, so I had reason to believe that finding a player straying from their usual MO was a strong scum tell. Also I think the only time I have ever seen you as scum was when we were on the same team, so I was cautious about you from the start since I felt I would have a harder time reading you. Metagaming can be a bitch. Also, there was probably more ego involved in me pushing for your lynch that Day then there should have been. If you had built a similarly weak case against another player I can not say with certainty that I would have reacted as strongly. That wasn’t my finest hour in mafia. Still, I think that lynching you was the “right” play, which is why I stuck with it even when I started second guessing myself toward the end of the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1473 "2009-09-18T18:09:18Z")
Just putting in another plug for Pedescribe’s mafia game, which I will co-mod. We are putting final touches on it and it most likely will begin sign ups soon. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1474 "2009-09-18T18:43:26Z")
Woohoo, my second win (again as vanilla town)! Although I only played one Day. Thanks for the game, **Mahaloth**! Please approve my account, I want to know why I got killed over power roles :). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1475 "2009-09-18T18:51:30Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Woohoo, my second win (again as vanilla town)! Although I only played one Day. > > Thanks for the game, **Mahaloth**! Please approve my account, I want to know why I got killed over power roles :). Not to mention the pure coincidence that Storyteller said, “I choose Natlaw.” the same night you died. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1476 "2009-09-18T19:51:59Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Exactly, which is why I should have gotten rid of it all together, most likely. > > For some reason, I just liked the idea. I dunno, maybe it wasn’t so bad. If you had gotten rid of my role, the other role you would have had to change was the Godfather. He was basically undetectable without some sort of tracker role to see him leave home. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1477 "2009-09-18T20:07:34Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > If you had gotten rid of my role, the other role you would have had to change was the Godfather. He was basically undetectable without some sort of tracker role to see him leave home. Or, I could have modified another role to adapt to it or something. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1478 "2009-09-18T20:58:34Z")
Will the game with **pede** be here? I’m about due for another game, but I don’t like venturing out into the cold, dark depths of the Internet alone. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1479 "2009-09-18T21:18:00Z")
Oh, I feel totally amiss in my feelings of celebration: Thanks, **Mahaloth** , for a great game. Nicely balanced, on reflection. We are getting far too weird about assuming all sorts of things about the nature of this game, and it’s nice to have those things be shaken up a little (NAF is way too powerful: he must be an unmentioned third party!) without upsetting game balance. Great color work, as well, especially getting input from slain players. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/1480 "2009-09-18T21:29:28Z")
That bit about the third party came entirely from Storyteller, and Storyteller was an admitted Crimson Thorn. Why did we believe him again? (And I’m as guilty as any.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=75)