# Weirdest relationships in comc books **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 28, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015 "2015-10-28T21:05:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/61 "2015-10-30T22:51:28Z")
Claremont’s intended origin for Nightcrawler’s birth parents was pretty weird. Instead of Mystique being his mom, ol Chrissy boy intended for her to have shapeshifted into a man and fathered Kurt with her elderly (or at least she always looked elderly to me) lesbian lover, Destiny. Yeah, that’s even weirder than Mystique having had Kurt with the mutant devil. I loved Claremont’s work on X-men (at least his original, run) but damn, it’s a good thing he had editors there to reign in a lot of his crazy initial ideas. Guy was nuttier than Vince Russo sometimes. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > he used the civilian identity of Bob Cobb and the superhero id of Mon-El Bob Cobb? The Maestro? No wonder he thought he could keep Jerry out of Tuscany with those powers. Unless it was Bobby Cobb, then no wonder he was able to invent PENNY CAN! ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/62 "2015-10-30T22:52:58Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > If I bring up Storm and T’challa will you send someone to beat the screaming jesus out of Reginald Hudlin? 'Cause seriously, putting two characters together simply because they’re both black pisses me off to no end. Storm/Forge forever! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/63 "2015-10-30T22:56:52Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Storm/Forge forever! Nah. Storm/Yukio. Also, I don’t care what current continuity says, Nightcrawler has two moms. Two evil moms, but still. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/64 "2015-10-30T23:53:24Z")
Skald the Rhymer, There’s a really hilarious version of that “Ultra Boy” cover. [http://tonyznet.com/art/superboy98remix.jpg](http://tonyznet.com/art/superboy98remix.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/65 "2015-10-31T01:05:02Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > . . . Do they even have a relationship? And if so, how is it weirder than Harley/Ivy? . . . 'Cause Power Girl was suffering from amnesia, and didn’t know it wasn’t real. (Jimmy Palmiotti is one of the best comics writers ever!) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/66 "2015-10-31T01:08:06Z")
**E-DUB** : I love you, I hate you, and I want to take Photoshop lessons from you! (Or whoever drew that. Anyway. Hooray for Photoshop fakes!) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/67 "2015-10-31T02:31:36Z")
Doctor Manhattan and everybody in the world. But especially with Laurie, whom he kidnapped to Mars because she was the only person he could relate to. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/68 "2015-10-31T03:48:25Z")
Thanks, Trinopus, but I can’t take credit for that one! While we’re on the subject of fake comic book covers, there’s a guy who puts one up every day, nothing like that one though. Some of his work is truly inspired. > **[Super-Team Family: The Lost Issues!](https://braveandboldlost.blogspot.com/)** > > A blog presenting covers to imaginary comic books featuring the greatest team ups that never happened... but should have! He delights in Marvel/DC crossovers. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/69 "2015-10-31T06:35:30Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Clearly any relationship that psychotic is in will be weird. Batman belongs behind bars, his mind was warped and twisted by the murder of his parents when he was a child. Well, there’s mildly weird and there’s weird even for comics. Some of Bruce’s girlfriends (specifically Silver & Vicki) are pretty normal. Talia is less so. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/70 "2015-10-31T13:31:00Z")
I have \*two. \* Exhibit one is Donna Troy and \*shudder \* Terry Long. She’s the beautiful young clone/sister/something of Wonder Woman. He’s a creepy past-middle aged man with a horrible red beard who happily dates and marries his student and ogles her and her super-friends. He was just…_ugh_. The other is non-romantic: when poor Matt Murdock was afraid that people might find out he was Daredevil, he decided to follow the instincts of his psycological issues and multiple concussions and create a whole new identity: [Mike Murdock](http://sacomics.blogspot.com/2010/11/short-life-of-mike-murdock.html), his loud-talking, flashy twin brother. “He’s the hippest, dollface!” ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/71 "2015-11-01T19:40:54Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > That was the one I came in here to mention. I’ll include Rachel and Stryfe as well. > > For instance: > > What’s the relationship between Stryfe and Nate? Stryfe is a clone of the son that a different universe’s version of Nate’s dad had with the clone of that universe’s version of Nate’s mom. > > And that’s not nearly the worst one… > > What’s the relationship between Rachel and Cable? In an alternate near-future, Rachel was the daughter of Cable’s dad and the woman whose clone was Cable’s mom, although to be clear they weren’t Cable’s dad and mom in the past of her timeline (as he didnt exist in that timeline) but rather in an alternate past which she eventually traveled to. Later she was trapped in an alternate far-future and founded the group which brought Cable (as a baby) to that far future and then sometime later temporarily brought the minds of his dad and the woman whose clone was his mom to that time so they could raise him while inhabiting different bodies, and later still sent those same two back over a century into their past where they’d play a critical role in the creation of the villain who’d later create the clone which became Cable’s mom, and thus allowed him to ever be born in the first place. But Cable’s actions in the present ultimately changed the far-future timeline in which she’d done all those things, allowing him to rescue her in a new far-future timeline so they could return to the present. > > And that’s not even getting into Cyclops’ brothers or his space pirate father. Or the fact that Jean has now been replaced with an alternate version of her own younger self. This reads like a Rachel and Miles cold open. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/72 "2015-11-01T19:43:46Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Thanks, Trinopus, but I can’t take credit for that one! While we’re on the subject of fake comic book covers, there’s a guy who puts one up every day, nothing like that one though. Some of his work is truly inspired. > > [http://braveandboldlost.blogspot.com/](http://braveandboldlost.blogspot.com/) > > He delights in Marvel/DC crossovers. I would totally read _Code: Red_. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/73 "2015-11-01T21:28:00Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > I would totally read _Code: Red_. And I’m taken with the idea of a Harley/Deadpool team-up. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/74 "2015-11-01T23:13:06Z")
Sykywise often rides on the back of his great, great, great…etc. grandmother, Timmain, who never wears clothes. In the latest issue they have also become lovers. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/75 "2015-11-02T00:26:50Z")
From **Infinity Inc**. back in the 80s: Northwind’s dad was a shlubby scientist and his mom was a weird bird creature with a beak. Roy Thomas never got too detailed about that one. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/76 "2015-11-02T01:27:10Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Claremont’s intended origin for Nightcrawler’s birth parents was pretty weird. Instead of Mystique being his mom, ol Chrissy boy intended for her to have shapeshifted into a man and fathered Kurt with her elderly (or at least she always looked elderly to me) lesbian lover, Destiny. Yeah, that’s even weirder than Mystique having had Kurt with the mutant devil. > > I loved Claremont’s work on X-men (at least his original, run) but damn, it’s a good thing he had editors there to reign in a lot of his crazy initial ideas. Guy was nuttier than Vince Russo sometimes. Claremont’s idea for Nightcrawler’s parentage seems a bit weird on the surface, but I think it makes sense for the characters and their powers. It’s certainly better than the official story we got, where Mystique is his mother and his father is a mutant who looks like Satan part of a group of demon-looking mutants responsible for creating the idea of the devil (and retconning Angel into being part of the opposite line of mutants who inspired the idea of angels). ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/77 "2015-11-02T02:38:57Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Claremont’s idea for Nightcrawler’s parentage seems a bit weird on the surface, but I think it makes sense for the characters and their powers. It’s certainly better than the official story we got, where Mystique is his mother and his father is a mutant who looks like Satan part of a group of demon-looking mutants responsible for creating the idea of the devil (and retconning Angel into being part of the opposite line of mutants who inspired the idea of angels). Which begs the question, is Mystique actually capable of creating functional testes when she assumes male form? And does her ‘normal’ form contain a Y chromosome? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/78 "2015-11-02T04:50:45Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > Which begs the question, is Mystique actually capable of creating functional testes when she assumes male form? And does her ‘normal’ form contain a Y chromosome? I don’t think it’s ever been a question-- when she shapeshifts, its not an illusion, her body transforms completely. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/79 "2015-11-02T05:23:59Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I don’t think it’s ever been a question-- when she shapeshifts, its not an illusion, her body transforms completely. Not completely. Otherwise she couldn’t change back. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015/80 "2015-11-02T18:43:16Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > Sykywise often rides on the back of his great, great, great…etc. grandmother, Timmain, who never wears clothes. In the latest issue they have also become lovers. Hey, this is the same comic that heavily implied bisexual orgies. And how did Cutters elves get wolf blood in the first place? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weirdest-relationships-in-comc-books/736015.md?page=5)