# Welcome back to The Canadoper Café, 2023! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487 "2023-01-01T22:29:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/61 "2023-10-20T21:30:15Z")
I’ve been closely following the Saskatchewan government’s ‘Parents’ Rights’ legislation, especially in light of the government preemptively using the ‘Notwithstanding’ clause. I’d like to know the opinions of my fellow Canadopers, particularly those learned Dopers in the legal profession. Full disclosure - I am a parent of a trans male, and I’m in complete opposition to this legislation. Just to get that out of the way right off the bat. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/62 "2023-10-21T02:43:45Z")
The only parental right this legislation is about is the right to terrorize their trans kids if said kids want to come out of the closet. Sadly our government feels, probably correctly, that it can play to its conservative base without even paying lipservice to any sort of tolerance. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/63 "2023-10-21T10:53:20Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Full disclosure - I am a parent of a trans male, and I’m in complete opposition to this legislation. Just to get that out of the way right off the bat. I’m the parent of two cis-gendered girls and I strongly oppose it too. If your early teenage kid is asking teachers and a roomful of other early teenage kids to call them by a different name but not tell their parents, there is an issue with that relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/64 "2023-10-21T19:14:47Z")
Just back from an LGTBQ2S+ counter-demonstration in Toronto - we outnumbered the ‘Million March 4 Children’ demonstrators 3 to 1, and we managed to keep our side passionate but peaceful. I’m getting too old to have to protest this stuff… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/65 "2023-10-21T21:54:02Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Just back from an LGTBQ2S+ counter-demonstration in Toronto - we outnumbered the ‘Million March 4 Children’ demonstrators 3 to 1, and we managed to keep our side passionate but peaceful. Much appreciated! Not sure why these people are so fascinated with children’s genitalia, but there you go. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/66 "2023-10-22T15:48:02Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Much appreciated! Not sure why these people are so fascinated with children’s genitalia, but there you go. No kidding. Reminds me of the guy in my high school who was the most virulent anti-gay person I knew. Once a day, if not more, he would go off on an anti-gay rant. Yes, you all know what comes next… He finally came out of the closet in his 30’s ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/67 "2023-10-24T00:35:36Z")
Youtube, in point of fact, asked me today if I was tired of the interruptions and wouldn’t it be nice if I subscribed to Premium to make the ads go away, so you’re not being paranoid in the least. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/68 "2023-10-24T00:41:17Z")
I’m getting tired of being a centrist in Alberta and listening to the drivel coming from my “premier”'s mouth makes me want to punch her, followed closely by the adherents of policies next door. If your child is too worried to tell you about their feelings regarding their sexuality or gender, it’s because you’ve failed as a parent not because of some imaginary curricula at the school. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/69 "2023-10-24T01:26:02Z")
> [@swampspruce](#): > > I’m getting tired of being a centrist in Alberta and listening to the drivel coming from my “premier”'s mouth makes me want to punch her, followed closely by the adherents of policies next door But then you wouldn’t get the 262% of the CPP that Alberta is “owed”! ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/70 "2023-10-24T02:46:35Z")
Oh, but I still wouldn’t get it, unless I happen to own an oil and gas company…🤬 ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/71 "2023-10-24T10:17:15Z")
I take it back. Apparently Daniel Smith is spending it all on advertising that we are all going to be sitting in the dark and we should tell the feds that oil is good. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/72 "2023-10-24T14:18:32Z")
Stimulus spending for other provinces, and here I thought she didn’t care about the ROC.😂 ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/73 "2023-10-24T15:57:14Z")
I was just obliged to watch one of those ads on YouTube, while waiting for something I wanted to watch. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t ensuring the reliability of our electrical grid a provincial responsibility? It also reinforced my intense dislike of both the current Alberta government and YouTube ads, so I’m not sure it was money well spent. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/74 "2023-10-24T16:08:59Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t ensuring the reliability of our electrical grid a provincial responsibility? You need to realize that EVERYthing wrong is Trudeau’s personal fault, especially in Alberta. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/75 "2023-10-24T16:12:46Z")
Nailed it. Better to spend millions on pointless policies and attack ads then actually doing , well, their job and making sure provincial responsibilities are carried out with any competence. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/76 "2023-10-24T16:13:28Z")
Alberta has been playing the blame game “poor me” for decades, and is not about to change now. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/77 "2023-10-24T16:15:02Z")
Yeah, it’s lovely to watch their heads explode when I tell them he’s too far right wing for me. 😃 I’m an amalgam of red, orange, green with a huge overlay of pride flag. And while I don’t think he’s done enough on many issues, particularly Indigenous and environmental issues, I think he’s done his best despite a lot of unwarranted opposition from people whose facts are questionable. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/78 "2023-10-24T19:20:45Z")
Québec is like a nation in some important ways, but is a part of Canada. Although this is a poor decision, government and students should show more courage and vocalize their concerns, involving unions if need be. The fact politicians are incentivized to push the boundaries does not delimit making a reasonable response. The strong argument for supporting Francophones in any province is that people should be treated equivalently. Québec should not treat Canadian students as if they were not Canadian, and doing so clearly will hurt their economy, innovation and reputation. > **[McGill warns of consequences from Quebec’s plan to double out-of-province...](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-mcgill-warns-of-consequences-from-quebecs-plan-to-double-out-of/)** > > Quebec’s three English-language universities criticize the plan, which they say could jeopardize programs and impact budgets ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/79 "2023-10-24T19:59:54Z")
I’m in total agreement there. I think one of the best things you can possibly do to promote the French language and Québécois culture is to get people, especially anglophones, to live there for four or more years, and discover what a fantastic place it is. Not just the reputation of Montréal as a place to get drunk and laid, but the fact that there’s one of the finest orchestras in the country, there’s a thriving theatre scene (in both languages!), there are the painters and other visual artists, there’s a sense of the history of the nation (I grant you, slanted heavily towards the settler/colonist perspective), and the list just goes on! ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487/80 "2023-10-24T21:23:41Z")
My oldest is in first year at McGill. She is a French immersion grad (SK-Grade 12) but has been told she’s not really welcome. My younger daughter is also in FI, but McGill is effectively off the table for her if it’s going to cost me an extra $50K. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-back-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2023/977487.md?page=5)