# Welcome, castaways! Lost 1.12 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 12, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449 "2005-01-12T22:15:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/201 "2005-01-14T15:45:21Z")
Most animals don’t sound like creaking metalic objects when they move, either… ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/202 "2005-01-14T16:02:25Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Most animals don’t sound like creaking metalic objects when they move, either… Unless they’re ARMORED polar bears! :eek: (What? I’m on the third book of _His Dark Materials_. Iorek is my hero!) ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/203 "2005-01-14T16:46:51Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > What if…there WAS NO PILOT? What if the pilot was another of the Island’s visions, telling them something they needed to hear? Oooh, and maybe there also was really no transceiver! No wonder they are having trouble radioing for help – Sayid’s been trying to fix a rock all this time. 😃 Seriously, I don’t like this option, as it requires Jack, Kate, and Charlie to all have had the same vision quest. In fact, if it’s just a vision every time they see something big knocking trees down, then it would have required all the folks at the beach to have the same vision at the same time in the first ep – and if the writers try to pull this, they will lose serious creditbility with me. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/204 "2005-01-14T17:03:27Z")
arggggh. “credibility”, dammit. Oh, also… this thread title is off, if it’s for this week’s show: \*\*Welcome, castaways! Lost 1.12 \*\* This was episode 1.13 ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/205 "2005-01-14T19:39:58Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Oh, also… this thread title is off, if it’s for this week’s show: > \*\*Welcome, castaways! Lost 1.12 \*\* > > This was episode 1.13 But it aired on 1/12 … right? ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/206 "2005-01-14T19:46:29Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > arggggh. “credibility”, dammit. > > Oh, also… this thread title is off, if it’s for this week’s show: > \*\*Welcome, castaways! Lost 1.12 \*\* > > This was episode 1.13 Oh, shoot. That reminds me. I need to sort out some things in the Questions thread. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/207 "2005-01-14T20:15:59Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > But it aired on 1/12 … right? Yes, but almost all the other Lost threads have put the episode number in the title, not the date, and in that format. The one or two I found with date in the format would have looked like this: 1/12 Not trying to start an argument – just pointing it out. Ep. 1.12 was “Whatever the Case May Be” Ep. 1.13 was the latest: “Hearts and Minds” ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/208 "2005-01-14T22:49:16Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > What was the hallucinogen that Locke could have used on Boone? I’m not aware of anything that would do that, certainly not by just being applied to an open wound. Nor would anything I know about cause such a clean, complete hallucination. Drug trips don’t work quite like that, do they? The most likely bet would be something along the lines of [_datura_](http://ohric.ucdavis.edu/photos/fullsize/Datura-2.jpg). The right sort of environment to find it wild. It would be a mistake to expect something along the lines of an experience with a recreational “hallucinogen” like LSD or psilocybin, which don’t create “true” hallucinations so much as baroque visualizations and an altered cognitive state, leaving the user generally aware that “something is definitely out of the ordinary.” The alkaloids in _datura_ don’t produce a psychedlic effect, and under the influence of them, people are typically unaware that they’re in a drugged state. (It comes on with a horrible “poisoned” feeling and a sort of semi-paralysis. And after that the person slips into an ambulatory dream. It’s almost universal for people to experience seemingly mundane conversations with people who aren’t there at all – and the hallucination has the solidity and authenticity of a dream. No undulating walls or three-headed masturbating monkeys – maybe just a long rambling conversation with someone you know, even if they’re actually sitting at home, or been dead for years, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/209 "2005-01-15T00:02:18Z")
I don’t think Shannon’s body looked anything like the pilot’s body. But then I didn’t see the pilot in a bikini 😃 ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/210 "2005-01-15T01:01:35Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > The most likely bet would be something along the lines of [_datura_](http://ohric.ucdavis.edu/photos/fullsize/Datura-2.jpg). We’ve got some of that growing just a couple houses down too. Note to self: Don’t try any! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/211 "2005-01-15T01:16:59Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > But then I didn’t see the pilot in a bikini 😃 What does it matter what you were wearing when you saw the pilot? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/212 "2005-01-15T07:43:47Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > We’ve got some of that growing just a couple houses down too. > > Note to self: Don’t try any! Note to **Levdrakon** : datura is very, very potent. It’s possible to give yourself an experience not unlike Boone’s simply by pruning it without gloves and rubbing the leaves between your hands into a ball to throw it all away. :smack: I. Thought. I. Was. Dying. Seriously, datura is not for the uninitiated, or for recreational use. It should only and if ever be used under the strict supervision of a medicine man or shaman who is trained in dosage and use. It’s very, very possible to overdose on it from only skin contact. An overdose includes respiratory and heart failure. The leaves, the seed pods, the seeds and the roots are all active. I have no idea why it’s legal and other plants aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/213 "2005-01-15T15:12:06Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Note to **Levdrakon** : > Seriously, datura is not for the uninitiated, or for recreational use. Datura: the common name for those is angel’s trumpets right? I’ve got some in the yard and never knew I needed to be careful with them. -rainy ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/214 "2005-01-15T15:19:16Z")
But you were wondering why the neighbourhood kids keep volunteering to mow your lawn for free. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/215 "2005-01-15T15:40:19Z")
> [@rainy](#): > > Datura: the common name for those is angel’s trumpets right? I’ve got some in the yard and never knew I needed to be careful with them. That’s them. There’s quite a few varieties, but as fas as I know, they’re all psychoactive. They’re gorgeous, aren’t they? I love them to pieces, and would not go so far as to recommend you tear them out. Just wear gardening gloves if they need pruning and maybe long pants if your the kind of gardener who climbs on in there. When you pick up the pruned stalks and leaves, do it with gloves and put in in your compost or waste bin with gloves. That’s it. My warnings were intended mostly for any Dopers or lurkers out there who might get excited about a legal trip. It may be legal, but it ain’t fun and it ain’t safe. Well, I’ve managed to hijack this thread something fierce for my little PSA, haven’t I? :smack: Sorry about that. Umm…Hurley! He’s cool. Can’t wait to see his backstory. Erm… I got nothin’. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/216 "2005-01-15T18:00:14Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > My warnings were intended mostly for any Dopers or lurkers out there who might get excited about a legal trip. It may be legal, but it ain’t fun and it ain’t safe. Emphatically seconded- I neglected to include such a caveat because only it’s waay into the ‘obvious’ column for me. One of the primary alkaloids in _datura_, by the way, is atropine – you know, the one that’s named after [the Fate that cuts the thread](http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/atropos.html). Dire. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/217 "2005-01-15T18:13:29Z")
Two things: I posted about hearing Driveshaft played at the party on Alias a couple of days ago - but now that thread seems to have disappeared. Weird. I haven’t read anyone offer a clear explanation about the Michaelangelo comment by Locke, so I offer one here: Locke was just saying that sometimes, it is good to sit still and contemplate the task at hand. Michaelangelo visualized sculpting the marble into David, Locke was contemplating ways to get into the hatch, along with how to enlighten young Boone. I am surprised Locked didn’t also mention Einstein, who is famous for his thought experiments… When I was watching the show and considering myself what the best way to open the hatch, the first thing that came to mind was “from the inside” - not exactly sure how helpful it is, but that is what I thought of… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/218 "2005-01-15T23:52:59Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > It’s possible to give yourself an experience not unlike Boone’s simply by … It’s also possible to give yourself an experience not unlike Boone’s by getting it on with your hot sister… Oh, wait, you meant the hallucination thingy, didn’t you.? Carry on… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/219 "2005-01-15T23:55:57Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > I posted about hearing Driveshaft played at the party on Alias a couple of days ago - but now that thread seems to have disappeared. Weird. It’s on page 2 and sinking – there are no replies in it. > [@](#): > > I haven’t read anyone offer a clear explanation about the Michaelangelo comment by Locke, so I offer one here: … Yep, Locke was giving the long version of: “Patience, Grasshopper.” ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449/220 "2005-01-16T02:06:29Z")
[QUOTE=Monstre] It’s on page 2 and sinking – there are no replies in it. [QUOTE] Do I know how to start great threads or what??? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-castaways-lost-1-12/284449.md?page=12)