# Welcome to hell Jihadi John, please take a seat on the nearest burner. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520 "2015-11-14T02:51:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/21 "2015-11-14T16:15:07Z")
Somewhere on the planet is (well was in any case) an Uber driver who made a bad career choice. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/22 "2015-11-14T16:17:03Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Somewhere on the planet is an Uber driver who made a bad career choice. Not any more… ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/23 "2015-11-14T16:43:53Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Somewhere on the planet is (well was in any case) an Uber driver who made a bad career choice. See, there is a benefit to banning women from driving. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/24 "2015-11-14T16:46:11Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > I know this will be a terribly unpopular opinion, _but_…I don’t know why anyone would think a man who left a comfortable, middle-class life in first world Britain to fight to the death in a 3rd world shit hole was any sort of coward. A psychopath? Sure. A piece of shit? Absolutely. But a coward? That doesn’t compute. > > Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad he’s dead and I hope it hurt. It’s a shame he can only die the once. But to call him a coward is to rob the word of all meaning, frankly. Yeah, he hid behind a mask. But that was to scare us. And it worked. Jihadi John was a coward. There are no reports that he was anything other than a sadistic jailer who guarded Western hostages. He tortured and murdered bound and unarmed prisoners. It’s difficult to see how anyone could considered that to be a “fight to the death”. > **[Jihadi John](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadi_John)** > > Mohammed Emwazi (born Muhammad Jassim Abdulkarim Olayan al-Dhafiri; Arabic: محمد جاسم عبد الكريم عليان الظفيري;‎ 17 August 1988 – 12 November 2015) was a British militant of Kuwaiti origin seen in several videos produced by the Islamist extremist group Islamic State (IS) showing the beheadings of a number of captives in 2014 and 2015. A group of his hostages nicknamed him "John" since he was part of a four-person terrorist cell with English accents whom they called 'The Beatles'; the press lat... Yes, Jihadi John was a coward. Were you scared because this monster hid behind a mask? This monster wore a mask because he didn’t want to be identified and killed or captured sooner than he was. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/25 "2015-11-14T16:48:35Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Further down the article. > > Which may be the source of the difference in numbers. Yep, apparently some sources accept you can eviscerate half a vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/26 "2015-11-14T16:54:02Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > The problem with using the justice system to prosecute JJ or any other terrorist overseas is that they are unarrestable. Up the Junction, would you prefer that JJ still be alive and killing? This isnt a perfect world. The problem is who decides who dies, and how many other people in the vicinity it’s cool to also kill. At that moment it’s unaccountable, unidentified, likely unqualified people saying … we think it might be this guy. We all know stories of how people apparently killed by drone have popped up again - no one says ‘well, who did we kill that last time?’. No one is accountable for those killings, for any drone, missile, bombing relating to alleged targeted killings. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/27 "2015-11-14T17:19:05Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > The problem is who decides who dies, and how many other people in the vicinity it’s cool to also kill. > > At that moment it’s unaccountable, unidentified, likely unqualified people saying … we think it might be this guy. > > We all know stories of how people apparently killed by drone have popped up again - no one says ‘well, who did we kill that last time?’. No one is accountable for those killings, for any drone, missile, bombing relating to alleged targeted killings. But isnt that true if modern warfare in general? How many innocents died in the bombing of Hamburg or Tokyo or London or Warsaw? If the choice is simply a binary yes or no I would vote yes. And obviously intelligence a d operational details cant be made public. We have no choice but to trust our leaders. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/28 "2015-11-14T17:25:29Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Yep, apparently some sources accept you can eviscerate half a vehicle. I’m not up on the accuracy of the drone that was used but if it was firing non-explosive rounds, it’s a least a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/29 "2015-11-14T17:40:34Z")
And yay, they hit the right half: the wonders of modern technology! Kind of makes you wonder how they take out large chunks of hospitals. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/30 "2015-11-14T17:45:36Z")
War isn’t a judicial proceeding. When you confront the enemy on the battlefield, you don’t read them their rights and ask a jury to decide if you shoot shoot at them. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/31 "2015-11-14T17:48:39Z")
This isnt a jousting match. Medieval history forum is to the left. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/32 "2015-11-14T17:53:06Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > But isnt that true if modern warfare in general? How many innocents died in the bombing of Hamburg or Tokyo or London or Warsaw? If the choice is simply a binary yes or no I would vote yes. And obviously intelligence a d operational details cant be made public. We have no choice but to trust our leaders. Is that where we are now - total war, ultimate sacrifice, democracy suspended national government? Not yet I hope. If you just give up on legal process you end up with, at the very best, Guantanamo, which demeans all of us and what we seriously stand for. It’s really, really hard but I think we do need to be aware this is not a good option. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/33 "2015-11-14T17:53:54Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > What must weigh on the minds of others seeking to fill this in for this jackwad is how the free world identified him behind that black mask, how they found and tracked him, and how, out of nowhere, he become nothing more than a stain on a dirty public road. The lesson in this is you’re gonna die, just give us enough reason and a little time. The problem being that he will probably be congratulated upon becoming a martyr. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/34 "2015-11-14T17:58:22Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Is that where we are now - total war, ultimate sacrifice, democracy suspended national government? Not yet I hope. > > If you just give up on legal process you end up with, at the very best, Guantanamo, which demeans all of us and what we seriously stand for. It’s really, really hard but I think we do need to be aware this is not a good option. But what are the other options? Inaction isnt a very good option. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/35 "2015-11-14T18:08:15Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > But what are the other options? Inaction isnt a very good option. What did we do before drones? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/36 "2015-11-14T18:08:44Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > As we can see from Paris, an exploding bomb in the middle of a town centre can be random. This was almost outside a Mosque, as well - though it does seem this happened close to midnight. > [@madsircool](#): > > But isnt that true if modern warfare in general? How many innocents died in the bombing of Hamburg or Tokyo or London or Warsaw? If the choice is simply a binary yes or no I would vote yes. And obviously intelligence a d operational details cant be made public. We have no choice but to trust our leaders. > [@running\_coach](#): > > I’m not up on the accuracy of the drone that was used but if it was firing non-explosive rounds, it’s a least a possibility. Yes, I think some collateral damage is a risk you run with war. In this instance, it sounds like reasonable efforts were made to minimize them. To be clear, I’m good with this kill on the facts now in evidence. Masks won’t protect you. Maybe the next piece of vaporized meat in waiting will think a minute or two before being sadistic with hostages for no good purpose. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/37 "2015-11-14T18:12:09Z")
I don’t understand why we trumpet something like this. 1. Do we really have that good intel in the area that we are 99.99% certain? 2. And so what? He’s just one cog in the wheel, and someone else will take his place. These guys are not afraid of dying, generally. And we’ve created yet another “martyr”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/38 "2015-11-14T18:24:17Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > What did we do before drones? Carpet bombing. Would you prefer that? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/39 "2015-11-14T19:19:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t understand why we trumpet something like this. > > 1. Do we really have that good intel in the area that we are 99.99% certain? > > 2. And so what? He’s just one cog in the wheel, and someone else will take his place. These guys are not afraid of dying, generally. And we’ve created yet another “martyr”. It’s tech porn: look what we can do and no one white gets hurt. War is so much more fun. Is it slowly becoming a video game … ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520/40 "2015-11-14T19:23:59Z")
We do nothing. They respond “Look at those wimpy assed decadent Westerners…lets get them”. We bomb the fuckers. The respond “Look at those asshole Westerners…lets get them”. Same result. At least the second has the satisfaction of killing some assholes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-hell-jihadi-john-please-take-a-seat-on-the-nearest-burner/737520.md?page=3)