# Welcome to the Canadoper Café, 2025! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 31, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410 "2024-12-31T21:26:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/301 "2025-02-20T18:50:08Z")
Government should be more reluctant to get involved when there is no apparent private sector economic case to be made. But this is all about Quebec electioneering. It is barely meant to have the air of reality. Not like Ford’s tunnel of love. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/302 "2025-02-20T18:53:16Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > But Hawaii didn’t have the kinds of powerful alliances that Canada has. Tell me what defensive alliance Canada has that would prevent an American invasion. NATO is not a correct answer. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/303 "2025-02-20T19:09:51Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Tell me what defensive alliance Canada has that would prevent an American invasion. Maybe the one currently under discussion with the EU. It hasn’t been in the news because very little information has been released about it. Our strongest partners would likely be Britain and France. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/304 "2025-02-20T20:56:12Z")
> [@Kropotkin](#): > > Churchill was wrong on virtually every other political and social issue, from imperialism to suffrage Obviously I was referring to his wartime leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/305 "2025-02-20T21:33:36Z")
> [@Kropotkin](#): > > Churchill was wrong on virtually every other political and social issue, from imperialism to suffrage Including this one ? > [@](#): > > The 1909/1910 **People’s Budget** was a proposal of the [Liberal government](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_government,_1905%E2%80%931915) that introduced unprecedented taxes on the lands and incomes of Britain’s wealthy to fund new [social welfare programmes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_welfare_reforms). It passed the [House of Commons](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_House_of_Commons) in 1909 but was blocked by the [House of Lords](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords) for a year and became law in April 1910. > > It was championed by the [Chancellor of the Exchequer](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_the_Exchequer), [David Lloyd George](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lloyd_George), and his young ally [Winston Churchill](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill), who was then [President of the Board of Trade](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Board_of_Trade)and a fellow [Liberal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK)); called the “Terrible Twins” by certain [Conservative](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)) contemporaries.[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Budget#cite_note-1) > > [William Manchester](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Manchester), one of Churchill’s biographers, called the People’s Budget a “revolutionary concept” because it was the first budget in British history with the expressed intent of [redistributing wealth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_income_and_wealth) equally amongst the British population.[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Budget#cite_note-2) It was a key issue of contention between the Liberal government and the Conservative-dominated House of Lords, leading to two [general elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_elections) in 1910 and the enactment of the [Parliament Act 1911](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_Act_1911). ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/306 "2025-02-20T21:44:08Z")
And, at a time when Trump, Musk, Putin, and their populist stooges are controlling more and more of the world, we need a wartime footing to prepare ourselves for the battles ahead, such as acquiring fighter jets and submarines, and not a commuter train to Quebec City. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/307 "2025-02-20T21:52:25Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Shouldn’t Alberta be looking at solving transportation issues within the province? GO Transit services routes like that in Ontario. Why is transportation a provincial issue out west, and a federal issue in central Canada ? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/308 "2025-02-20T22:09:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why is transportation a provincial issue out west, and a federal issue in central Canada ? **[The feds have a significant role](https://tc.canada.ca/en)** in transportation policies and funding. > Transport Canada is responsible for transportation policies and programs. We promote safe, secure, efficient and environmentally responsible transportation. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/309 "2025-02-20T22:10:25Z")
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day! ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/310 "2025-02-20T22:10:52Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why is transportation a provincial issue out west, and a federal issue in central Canada ? It’s not, that’s why GO Transit is a provincial agency that manages transit across the Golden Horseshoe area. Alberta doesn’t have an equivalent because either the government doesn’t want to or it’s not economically feasible given distances and density. The Toronto/QC Corridor is interprovincial, by necessity there is federal involvement. With any major infrastructure projects like this, there is always some degree of funding from the province, the Feds, and often the municipality for local projects. I’m sure if someone proposed a Regina-Moosejaw-Lethbridge-Calgary route, it would need Federal buy in. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/311 "2025-02-20T22:35:07Z")
With the upcoming debates this Mon. and Tue, curious what folks’ thoughts are viz. Freeland vs. Carney. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/312 "2025-02-20T22:44:47Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > it’s not economically feasible given distances and density. So the federal government only spends billions of dollars on transportation in high population density areas? In other words, only in Ontario and Quebec? ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/313 "2025-02-20T22:57:39Z")
Is there a feasible Alberta based public transportation scheme the Federal government is ignoring? I need to understand your point outside of NIYBYism (not in YOUR backyard) ETA: Also, ftr I would love to support public transportation in YOUR backyard. But you need to help me out here. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/314 "2025-02-20T23:01:29Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > So the federal government only spends billions of dollars on transportation in high population density areas? @Northern_Piper I think you are focusing in on certain things. As I have pointed out, regional transportation is spearheaded by a provincial transit authority. Why doesn’t Alberta? Where do you think our 8% Provincial portion of the HST goes when Alberta has decided they don’t want that tax revenue? And yes, government can and should use cost/benefit analysis to decide where to spend tax dollars. Subsidies on bus transit may be better in some areas vs. high speed rail in others. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/315 "2025-02-20T23:12:29Z")
In large population centers like Toronto, public transit is quite properly funded by all three levels of government. Metrolinx, which operates the GO Transit train and bus commuter service and the Union station to Pearson airport express train, is mostly subsidized by the province, in the amount of nearly $1 billion annually. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/316 "2025-02-20T23:28:36Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Maybe the one currently under discussion with the EU. The EU has no ability to defend Canada against American invasion without resorting to French nuclear weapons, which they would not do. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/317 "2025-02-21T04:41:43Z")
Chantal Kreviazuk changes the words of “O Canada” when she sang the National Anthem at the 4 Nations Final. Changing the words from ‘true patriot love in all of us command’ to ‘true patriot love that NONE BUT US command.’ I think we should keep that change. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/318 "2025-02-21T04:44:07Z")
And Connor McDavid with a final statement, The many Trumpists who crowed about the win in the preliminary round will now be very quiet. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/319 "2025-02-21T04:46:12Z")
It seems having Trump support your sports team is the kiss of death. Just ask Team USA, and just ask the Kansas City Chiefs. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/320 "2025-02-21T04:48:18Z")
Well, I guess some winning team won’t be invited to the White House. Don’t sweat it, guys, you’d probably only get Big Macs, fries, and Cokes anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410.md?page=17)