# Welcome to the Canadoper Café, 2025! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 31, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410 "2024-12-31T21:26:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/461 "2025-03-17T01:21:33Z")
If the polling is tight going into the election, it favours the Liberals, because the Conservatives are heavily concentrated in Alberta and Saskatchewan. If they rack up big popular vote scores there, it doesn’t affect the national standings for the seats. Doesn’t matter if they take seats there by 40% or 70%. The Liberals tend to be more evenly distributed. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/462 "2025-03-17T02:22:05Z")
It usually comes down to which party takes southern Ontario. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/463 "2025-03-17T02:50:49Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Right - this _one_ policy from 18 months ago. Not really all that substantial, but hey YMMV. Again the claim was there was no policy. There is. What is the liberal policy? Continually bring in more people? > [@](#): > > - “…a percentage of their federal funding will be withheld…” in regards to housing construction targets not being met. Hm, I wonder what will be affected by those funding cuts. Nothing if targets are met. Are you unfamiliar with goals, objectives, ocr, measures, metrics, etc? Most people in their jobs are given targets to meet. If they meet them, they keep their job, if they don’t they are penalized, if they exceed them they are given bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/464 "2025-03-17T05:06:25Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Again the claim was there was no policy. There is. What is the liberal policy? Continually bring in more people? Off the top of my head there’s Carney already quashing the carbon tax, soon, along with prioritzing temporary residents for permanent residency, then followed by plans for a temporary immigration gap, all of which isn’t an 18-month-old twinlkle in the eye. > [@Uzi](#): > > Nothing if targets are met. Are you unfamiliar with goals, objectives, ocr, measures, metrics, etc? Most people in their jobs are given targets to meet. If they meet them, they keep their job, if they don’t they are penalized, if they exceed them they are given bonuses. Nah, funding cuts will directly and immediately hobble infrastructure, meritocracy bedamned. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/465 "2025-03-17T05:39:08Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > More on that French nuclear sub in Halifax harbour … And in more French “I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you…” News: > **[French Air Force A400M deployed to Greenland - AGN](https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/armee-de-lair-a400m-in-greenland/)** > > The French A400M transport aircraft was certified to operate in Greenland on Sunday, 9 March 2025. Certification of the A400M for ice runway operations was successfully completed after the aircraft practiced landing on ice runways at Station Nord in... ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/466 "2025-03-17T06:36:08Z")
Good vid on other choices for Canada to buy [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iDSckKo0NC8/maxresdefault.jpg "Swedish Brand New Fighter Jet Shocked Russia!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSckKo0NC8) ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/467 "2025-03-17T07:24:10Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Off the top of my head there’s Carney already quashing the carbon tax, soon, Yep, he changed it to zero in an attempt to win the election. He can’t cancel it because only parliament can do that. At most, though, he’ll just repackage it as something else and probably make it higher as he as stated in the past. Liberals can’t help themselves when it comes to taxes. But, what does this have to do with housing anyway especially when it was supposed to be a neutral tax to consumers? Industry still has to pay which limits their competitiveness globally. > along with prioritzing temporary residents for permanent residency, Again, what does this have to do with housing. Both classifications need a place to live. > then followed by plans for a temporary immigration gap, If housing can’t be built quickly, how long is this ‘temporary’ gap? > all of which isn’t an 18-month-old twinlkle in the eye. Twinkle or not, it’s a better plan than Carbon Tax Carney’s as you’ve outlined it. > [@](#): > > Nah, funding cuts will directly and immediately hobble infrastructure, meritocracy bedamned. So, what you are saying is that the people running the government are incompetents who can’t meet a goal? You’ve not demonstrated that those supposed goals are unreachable, you have no idea what is reachable/reasonable or not. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/468 "2025-03-17T08:20:21Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > More on that French nuclear sub in Halifax harbour … > > And in more French “I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you…” News: > > [French Air Force A400M deployed to Greenland - AGN](https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/armee-de-lair-a400m-in-greenland/) After Keir Starmer’s embarrassing bootlicking sycophanty when he visited the White House vs Emmanuel Macron’s dignified visit when he boldly contradicted Trump and basically called him out as a liar, it seems that France is surprisingly going to be a stronger ally for us than Britain. If the Orange Peril wants to start a war, I guess it will be France that first nukes Washington. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/469 "2025-03-17T10:20:13Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Liberals can’t help themselves when it comes to taxes. Yeah, like when those damn Liberals introduced the GST. They just ruined the country with that. Oh, wait… > **[Goods and services tax (Canada)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_services_tax_(Canada))** > > The goods and services tax (GST; French: Taxe sur les produits et services) is a value added tax introduced in Canada on January 1, 1991, by the government of Prime Minister Brian Mulroney. The GST, which is administered by Canada Revenue Agency (CRA), replaced a previous hidden 13.5% manufacturers' sales tax (MST). > Introduced at an original rate of 7%, the GST rate has been lowered twice and currently sits at rate of 5%, since January 1, 2008. The GST raised 11.7% of total federal government r... You understand that the Liberals have generally run more balanced budgets than the Conservatives, right? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/470 "2025-03-17T10:59:12Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > You understand that the Liberals have generally run more balanced budgets than the Conservatives, right? Actually, I don’t understand that. [https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation-2022](https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation-2022) Note it is up to 2022. Junior has likely surpassed his father by now by quite a bit. Thank you Trudeau and family and those who put them in power. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/471 "2025-03-17T11:08:23Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Note it is up to 2022. Junior has likely surpassed his father by now by quite a bit. Thank you Trudeau and family and those who put them in power. Um, I only wonder what could have caused this? > In 2022, federal per-person debt is projected to be $47,070, which is the third highest amount in Canadian history (behind only 2020 and 2021). This is more than 25 per cent higher than per-person debt before COVID in 2019. During Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s tenure, federal per-person debt increased by 35.3 percent between 2015 and 2022. ETA: This Fraser Institute “news brief” reminds me of a quote, now I’m paraphrasing: Think Tanks are places where you pay smart people money, to write an intellectual narrative of a false consensus, so that you can push your already preconceived and planned polices. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/472 "2025-03-17T11:08:30Z")
and left the girl to take the heat with her 2 remaining seats in Parliament. Poor Kim… Of course canny Chretien won a landslide promising to cancel the GST and then blithely said _Wal I tink we keep dat_ 😉 How much did Harper spend on prisons in his blue ridings??? and have the largest Cabinet EVAH. Of course Justin got voted in the “anyone but Harper wave”. Since PP is Harpers child warrior, some of that persists especially in Quebec. … are we accepting the Fraser Institute as neutral observer…not bloody likely. What caused the debt to balloon??? Covid. And Canada came out of covid with the second strongest economy and low inflation compared to others. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/473 "2025-03-17T11:15:01Z")
From the linked Fraser Institute infographic: > - In 2022, federal per-person debt is projected to be $47,070, which is the third highest amount in Canadian history (behind only 2020 and 2021). This is more than 25 per cent higher than per-person debt before COVID in 2019. During Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s tenure, federal per-person debt increased by 35.3 percent between 2015 > and 2022. So the debt shot up during Covid in 2020 and then started coming down in 2021 and 2022 and you are spinning that negatively? I voted for Trudeau 3 times, because the alternatives were not attractive at the time (O’Toole), negative (Scheer), or repulsive (Poilievre). I voted for Carney in the leadership race. I’ll vote for Carney in the next election. > [@Uzi](#): > > > [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > > > You understand that the Liberals have generally run more balanced budgets than the Conservatives, right? > > Actually, I don’t understand that. > [https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation-2022](https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/examining-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation-2022) > Note it is up to 2022. Junior has likely surpassed his father by now by quite a bit. Thank you Trudeau and family and those who put them in power. I didn’t vote for PET because I was in my early teens, but for the rest of my votes you are welcome. > [@MacDoc](#): > > are we accepting the Fraser Institute as neutral observer…not bloody likely. Also this ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/474 "2025-03-17T11:17:54Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Um, I only wonder what could have caused this? Trudeau. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/475 "2025-03-17T11:19:50Z")
Okay, news flash. Trudeau is gone. You can stop the Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau shitck. He’s done. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/476 "2025-03-17T11:21:21Z")
Mulroney ran up huge national debt but the cons blamed Bob Rae who woke up Premier of Ontario one morning totally unexpected. He actually balanced layoffs due to the recession with keeping people employed…a tricky balancing at and a humane one. He admitted in his memoirs he erred during that period as he did not coop business in his planning to deal with the recession…he then also moved from the NDP to the Liberals and would certainly been a better candidate than his rather hopeless former room mate whose name thankfully escapes me. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/477 "2025-03-17T11:21:43Z")
But his enablers are still there and all in cabinet again. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/478 "2025-03-17T11:22:53Z")
Then start TALKING ABOUT THEM. START TALKING ABOUT THEIR POLICIES! Seriously. Enough with “Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau.” Broken record. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/479 "2025-03-17T11:23:25Z")
Give it up with the pejoratives and conspiracy shite Uzi. Wait and see what Carney DOES instead beating the Justin horse. There was good reason the parties are tied JUSTIN IS GONE. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/480 "2025-03-17T11:41:21Z")
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