# Welcome to the Canadoper Café, 2025! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 31, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410 "2024-12-31T21:26:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/481 "2025-03-17T11:45:44Z")
What a dismal answer. 🤨 Justin has almost as bad a CV as paper boy. Carney is an internationally respected leader with the connections and expertise to guide Canada through the perils of the dumpf era. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/482 "2025-03-17T11:46:55Z")
This is what’s wrong with the attack dog, Conservative, populist rhetoric. The Party leader literally points to the other party leader and says “hate him” and that is as deep as it gets for their followers. No talk of policies that are wrong, or why they are wrong. All we get is “Fuck Trudeau!” sloganeering. There’s nothing deeper then that. I await until Uzi jumps on the “Fuck Carney” train (an otherwise fiscally minded Red Tory, if only there existed room for such people in the CPC). ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/483 "2025-03-17T11:48:12Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > an otherwise fiscally minded Red Tory, if only there existed room for such people in the CPC). You and thousands of others. 🍿 Bill Davis ghost…come thee forth. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/484 "2025-03-17T11:48:49Z")
> [@MacDoc](#): > > Mulroney ran up huge national debt but the cons blamed Bob Rae who woke up Premier of Ontario one morning totally unexpected. > He actually balanced layoffs due to the recession with keeping people employed…a tricky balancing at and a humane one. Bob Rae is Number One on my shit list. In 1991, after his policies meant I lost my job with the Ontario government, my unemployment had run out, and I wasn’t even sure I could make the rent next month, I tried appealing to my MPP (who was NDP) for welfare. I was told that as a white, English-speaking, born-in-Ontario male, I deserved what I got. Yep, that was Ontario’s NDP, back then. Obviously, I survived, but I’ve never forgotten that. Although Bob Rae has switched parties, his Ontario policies that meant I had to decide between the rent and gas for the car, means that he remains Number One on my shit list. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/485 "2025-03-17T11:49:35Z")
> [@MacDoc](#): > > Justin has almost as bad a CV as paper boy. All Trudeau had was a legendary name and great hair. Surprisingly that was enough to defeat Harper with an undeserved (imo) majority. Trudeau was always intellectually weak, through and through. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/486 "2025-03-17T11:50:53Z")
Rae tried to soften blows like yours with job sharing and again look at what Mulroney spent. 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/487 "2025-03-17T11:52:58Z")
Rae did nothing for me. “Soften blows,” when he fired me? “Job sharing,” when that was non-existent? Told me that I was less than human when I tried to apply for welfare? Seriously, are you trying to defend this guy? ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/488 "2025-03-17T11:56:25Z")
Maybe you should read a bit more. Here was a young guy with zero experience totally unexpectedly tossed in leading the 11th ( at the time ) largest economy on earth. He did what he could and he admitted he made mistakes. He also moved away from the more radical left of the NDP. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ceFp97QLfWQ/hqdefault.jpg "Bob Rae on Revisiting Rae Days") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFp97QLfWQ) ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/489 "2025-03-17T12:03:30Z")
No, I don’t need to read a bit more. Bob Rae remains an asshole. “Hey, in the middle of a worldwide recession, let’s tax Ontarians some more.” And I remind you of this, which I posted above: > [@Spoons](#): > > I was told that as a white, English-speaking, born-in-Ontario male, I deserved what I got. Apparently, what I deserved, was no job, no welfare benefits, and no help of any kind. Thank you, Bob Rae, and your “Fuck Native-Born White English-Speaking Ontarians Every Chance We Get” party. ETA: I had a relative who worked for the Ontario government at the time. She complained that she had to take three “Rae Days” without pay in 1991. I looked her straight in the eye, and told her that I had to take 365 days without pay in 1991. And that she should consider herself lucky. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/490 "2025-03-17T12:05:18Z")
Well no use arguing with an ideologue. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/491 "2025-03-17T12:10:35Z")
No ideologue here. Just someone who was so badly affected by Rae’s policies, that I have little to no respect for the man who put me through such problems in the early 1990s. “You’re a white, English-speaking male, so you deserve what you are suffering” is no way to run a government. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/492 "2025-03-17T12:27:48Z")
So Bob Rae sat you down and said that to you personally? Count it unlikely in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/493 "2025-03-17T13:26:17Z")
Not Bob Rae. His flunky at my local MPPs office. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/494 "2025-03-17T13:30:04Z")
> [@Kropotkin](#): > > What they are unlikely to do is build and sell good, low-priced housing because they seek profits. The Canadian government used to build housing precisely so it was affordable; it encouraged co-ops and other forms of housing that are not as profitable for developers and builders. This was slashed in the 1980s and the end of social housing programs helped fuel rising housing costs and homelessness. This is a very broad claim presented without evidence. Homelessness didn’t get worse in the 1990s and 2000s, which one would expect if these government policies at those times led to homelessness. However we do it, we need more homes. **It’s supply and demand, end of story.** The homes being built do not need to be designated as “Affordable” because that is not what drives down housing costs and a lack of specific types of homes isn’t what drives them up. Look around you; those homes that were built way back in the day that were affordable for an ordinary family are now hopelessly unaffordable. **The same houses, on the same land**. If the kind of home was was made things unaffordable, that wouldn’t be true, but it is, because the problem is a lack of homes. Whatever approach governments take, you need to just build a lot of new houses and apartments. You can drive this through any government policy approach you want, but that’s the only solution. A problem you’re gonna run into, of course, is that Canada also lacks the skilled trades to massively increase that construction capacity. In 1975, when I was 3 years old, my parents spent $35,000 on a three bedroom house in Kingston on Pembridge Crescent in Bayridge. My Dad worked in the Dupont plant and my Mom was a young schoolteacher. It had the leakiest basement in human history but it was otherwise a nice house to grow up in and we remained there until 1986. That is the equivalent of about $200 to $240 thousand today. Equivalent listings in that area now start at $500,000. In KINGSTON. That’s not even downtown. Again, this isn’t fancy new housing built by greedy developers; these are houses built in the 1970s. Their price has soared because there aren’t enough places for people to live. If Pierre Poilevre and the CPC had kept up with a REAL plan to fix this I’d be considering voting for them just for that reason, but I’d say the same thing about any party. The NDP could win my vote, hell. It is a massive social problem, a much worse problem than most people seem to realize, that the long term consequences of will be extremely socially damaging, and no one’s talking about it anymore. Right now we have an existential threat to deal with so I get it. But if that passes soon we need to be on top of this. Okay, but then we have to accept that chronic, extreme homelessness - the people you see living on the street - is not for the most part due to a housing shortage. It’s due to a lack of social supports for people struggling with mental illness, drug addiction, and other very severe disadvantages. For the most part the people living in tents in parks and looking stoned aren’t there because the rent on a bachelor pad is a bit high. So that’s another problem, and how to fix it is a multi-level-of-government issue that is, to be honest, a lot more complex problem to solve. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/495 "2025-03-17T13:39:39Z")
Scuttlebutt is an election will be called this week. Oh, the current 338canada projection: Liberals 150 CPC 149 BQ 27 NDP 15 Green 2 This despite the CPC leading in popular vote by 3 points. (I wonder if Canadians will object to this disparity the way people objected to the disparity in the 2016 US Presidential election.) I suspect these numbers have room to move. The debates will be fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/496 "2025-03-17T13:49:06Z")
Whoa this slew of (what, 30?) overnight posts… (6:45 am here) > [@Uzi](#): > > Again, what does this have to do with housing. I thought you meant policy in general > [@Uzi](#): > > Twinkle or not, it’s a better plan than Carbon Tax Carney’s as you’ve outlined it. Carney has shown flexibility in seeing the electorate, for the most part, being against the carbon tax, which he’s been wise to address by removing it, which I’ll take over some evidently discarded declaration from 18 months ago. > [@Uzi](#): > > So, what you are saying is that the people running the government are incompetents who can’t meet a goal? You’ve not demonstrated that those supposed goals are unreachable, you have no idea what is reachable/reasonable or not. With Pollievre, if he got in power, would be sprouting up houses while steamrolling over infrastruture would be the incomptents here. Like you can demonstrate any further what goals that would be reachable/unreachable? Great - off to work now. 🙁 ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/497 "2025-03-17T14:26:43Z")
Carbon policy [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FalXNfn5agA/maxresdefault.jpg "BREAKING: Axing the Liberal carbon tax on Canadian industries") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FalXNfn5agA) ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/498 "2025-03-17T14:32:01Z")
So Carney has made getting rid of the carbon tax his first issue and promise… only to keep it? Oy. You’ll need to wait for him to BE dishonest before you can call him out as dishonest. That’s just reality. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/499 "2025-03-17T14:40:49Z")
He axed the consumer tax …not industrial…or are you saying AGW is not a major threat??? Are you one of the 13% > Canadians are increasingly concerned about climate change, with 62% expressing worry about its potential impacts, a slight decrease from 76% in October 2023, while 13% are entirely unconcerned. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410/500 "2025-03-17T20:11:36Z")
So I haven’t heard the audio for it, but there was an ad on TV at the pub just now. They had the text “Sneaky Mark Carney”, and really, I think that makes him sound awesome. A sneaky MF sounds like just the guy we need as PM in the current moment. I’d love to see how these ads are polling with other voters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-canadoper-cafe-2025/1012410.md?page=26)