# Welcome to the Lifers' wet dream of the future **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 16, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-lifers-wet-dream-of-the-future/774827 "2016-12-16T01:08:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-lifers-wet-dream-of-the-future/774827/1 "2016-12-16T01:08:57Z")
Here is what the US could become if the fucking anti-abortionists have their way. [Welome to El Salvador.](https://www.ft.com/content/68064cac-a484-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de6) > [@](#): > > Mirna Ramírez’s dream was a modest one: to raise a couple of children. She watched her first child, a boy, die at four months of a brain abnormality. Worried the same thing might happen again, she kept her second pregnancy quiet. But a month before she was due to give birth, she went into labour prematurely and her daughter fell into a latrine. The baby survived, but Ramírez was arrested for attempted murder and sentenced to 12-and-a-half years in jail. > > Ramírez was convicted under anti-abortion laws so draconian that not only seeking to terminate a pregnancy but even suffering a miscarriage or complicated premature birth can put a woman behind bars for as long as 40 years under charges of aggravated murder. You read that right. A miscarriage can get a woman jailed for up to 40 fucking years under their shithole laws. And you can be sure that American religious fanatics are looking at El Salvador and salivating. This is their dream for the future. Well, fuck them and fuck their dumb religion. May all their women miscarry while on vacation in El Salvador and end up in prison getting fucked up the ass by prison guards. May the testicles of their menfolk wither that they may not propagate and pass on their fucked-up genes. May all their dwellings stand in the shadow of huge abortion clinics and may their message be an abomination in the land. And a merry Christmas to one and all. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-lifers-wet-dream-of-the-future/774827/2 "2016-12-16T01:39:21Z")
You’d think a right to privacy would actually mean something, but these are the people who want pregnancy registrations. They are not good people. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-lifers-wet-dream-of-the-future/774827/3 "2016-12-16T02:15:18Z")
:Sigh: And my wife is still waiting for her visa, even with the costs of health care over here I rather have a kid over here than in a place where a health issue can also lead to the death of the mother besides the kid; as doctors decide to wait to consult the authorities for permission to abort even in those cases. If they had the same law when my mother had an ectopic pregnancy (my twin had to go, and I was spared in a first for the old country) It is very likely that would not be typing this. So yeah, it is no wonder that I consider myself to be an agnostic nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-lifers-wet-dream-of-the-future/774827/4 "2016-12-16T02:30:47Z")
Similar story in _[the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/dec/17/el-salvador-anti-abortion-law-premature-birth-miscarriage-attempted-murder)_: While several other countries in the region have relaxed their anti-abortion laws, El Salvador has moved backwards. In 1973, its criminal code permitted the termination of pregnancies in cases of rape, congenital foetal defects or when the mother’s life was at risk. This, though, was superseded by a revised constitution in which article one stated that human beings come into existence from the moment of conception. It’s impressive the way that profound questions about the nature of human life that neither philosophy nor science have been able to answer are resolved right there in El Salvador’s revised constitution. They’ve made El Salvador great again! Although apparently life loses a lot of its value after one is actually born: Even when the lives of pregnant women are at risk, he says, he has to advise them to continue the pregnancy until they are close to death. Two years ago, in the globally famous case of Beatriz – a 22-year-old woman who almost died because of her pregnancy with a foetus that lacked a brain – Ortiz was so desperate that he advised his patient to sue him. Even so, the magistrate refused to grant permission for a termination until the last possible minute. Ortiz says Beatriz is still paying for the consequences of that delay with a renal disorder, respiratory problems and low blood pressure. That sure sounds like the “limited government” thing that Republicans are always going on about – “make the baby or we’ll kill you”. And just like Republicans, El Salvador also features some of the world’s finest thinkers and philosophers: “People don’t have values. Those who want an abortion are ignorant,” claimed Claudia Henrique, a T-shirt seller. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-lifers-wet-dream-of-the-future/774827/5 "2016-12-16T03:20:39Z")
The saddest thing about this is the lack of foresight. Any state whose legal system can _compel_ individual women to give birth, can and will, through the basic misogynistic force that originally piggybacked on religious right-to-life dogma for support, eventually use the same structure to _prevent_ individual women from giving birth. This is true because the real impetus behind these laws is not fetal rights, (in which case these clowns would, for example, be the biggest environmentalists the world ever saw, and, um, they’re not), but simply the ultimate male control over females. Those who support these measures out of honest love for potential life will eventually be discarded, and their horror at the results of their alliance with their current allies will be recorded as moral idiocy. The driving force behind the anti-abortion movement isn’t anti-abortion: it is merely male supremacy. Once the legal framework is established to take away a woman’s control over her own body, the law will be used to compel abortion whenever it suits male needs, desires, or whims.