# welcome to the pit you annoying venue patrons. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450 "2011-05-27T17:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/1 "2011-05-27T17:28:05Z")
Ok, as a professional photographer who makes a good segment of his income photographing bands at music venues, I have to pit women who make the duck face. Please, ladies (and I use that term quite liberally,) stop that shit. For those of you unfamiliar with the ‘duck face’ it is when women purse their lips like they are giving you a kiss. It isn’t sexy. It looks like you have some sort of bizarre facial deformation not yet analysed by medical science. Venue owners pay for pictures of the crowd. when you make the duck face, it ruins the fucking picture, and my chances of selling it to the venue owner. And just because you’re now on your 16th PBR of the evening doesn’t mean that it has suddenly become attractive, like a massive infusion of alcohol is somehow going to give you the ability to suddenly make the single most annoying facial expression on the planet somehow suddenly beautiful. Oh, and while I’m venting my spleen about these vacuous, intoxicated, obnoxious people and their abominable facial expressions, let me also throw in that, when I see you at shows every weekend, and every weekend your friends are having to carry your drunk ass to the car…STOP FUCKING DRINKING. I can understand getting lit up every once in a while, but come on. Have a little dignity. Oh, and once you are drunk, realize, I have not become your personal goddamn photographer. a good rule of thumb is, if you can no longer pronounce the word ‘photographer’ because of all the cheap booze you’ve abused your liver with that evening, then the photographer probably doesn’t want you bugging him unless you are offering to perform acrobatic sex acts with him, and still cling to enough shreds of sobriety to make good on said offer. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/2 "2011-05-27T17:43:31Z")
I think you’ll appreciate this video - [Duckface.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9YI3hAkCY) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/3 "2011-05-27T17:45:52Z")
So people out enjoying themselves at a concert are required to accommodate your desires regarding facial expressions, despite receiving no compensation for being photographed? Bullshit. When people pay to see a show, they’re there to have a good time. They don’t give a damn about your pictures. They owe you nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/4 "2011-05-27T17:48:07Z")
::Makes note about **Oakminster’s** preferred facial expression in pictures.:: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/5 "2011-05-27T17:49:36Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So people out enjoying themselves at a concert are required to accommodate your desires regarding facial expressions, despite receiving no compensation for being photographed? > > Bullshit. When people pay to see a show, they’re there to have a good time. They don’t give a damn about your pictures. They owe you nothing. when they grab me and demand I take their picture…then yes, they do owe me the courtesy of not fucking with me. Also, when you are in a venue and I am being paid to take the photos for the venue and/or bands, then you have no right to ask for compensation. its called having no reasonable expectation of privacy. oh yeah, when your having a good time negatively influences someone else’s experience, then you no longer deserve to be having a good time. That’s why security frequently removes the overly intoxicated. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/6 "2011-05-27T18:05:11Z")
Holy Mangled Metaphors, Batman. > [@pikey\_pete](#): > > when they grab me and demand I take their picture…then yes, they do owe me the courtesy of not fucking with me. This is a completely different scenario than the one in the OP, and thus is irrelevant. You either were not talking about this situation, or you drafted your OP poorly. > [@](#): > > Also, when you are in a venue and I am being paid to take the photos for the venue and/or bands, then you have no right to ask for compensation. its called having no reasonable expectation of privacy. True, but there is also no obligation to accommodate snotty little papparatzi wannabes, either. You want me to pose for you? Pay me. Otherwise, kiss my ass. > [@](#): > > oh yeah, when your having a good time negatively influences someone else’s experience, then you no longer deserve to be having a good time. That’s why security frequently removes the overly intoxicated. This has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. You have no right to impose your desires on anyone else. If someone is causing trouble, yes, security should invite them to de-ass the premises immediately. If someone doesn’t choose to cooperate with you but otherwise causes no problems, tough shit. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/7 "2011-05-27T18:09:30Z")
“I thought this was America. Huh? Isn’t this America? I’m sorry I thought this was America.” -Randy Marsh > **[No More Baseball! - South Park | South Park Studios US](https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/wyycev/south-park-no-more-baseball)** > > The boys' baseball team HAS to go to the post-season. Here in America stupid bitches have the right to look as fucking retarded as they want. And the OP has the right to not take their picture. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/8 "2011-05-27T19:10:20Z")
While I’m on board with the idea that the photographer has no authority over me or what I do, can we at least pause for a moment and acknowledge that the duckface is a scourge on modern society? ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/9 "2011-05-27T19:47:44Z")
Hell, without the Duck Face there’d be no Facebook. …or do I have that backwards? ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/10 "2011-05-27T19:50:05Z")
Have we ever determined why they make that face? I suppose now it’s because everybody else does, but how did it start? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/11 "2011-05-27T19:55:31Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Hell, without the Duck Face there’d be no Facebook. > > …or do I have that backwards? I thought it started on My[del]Face[/del]Space. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/12 "2011-05-27T20:00:34Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So people out enjoying themselves at a concert are required to accommodate your desires regarding facial expressions, despite receiving no compensation for being photographed? > > Bullshit. When people pay to see a show, they’re there to have a good time. They don’t give a damn about your pictures. They owe you nothing. He said please. I think. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/13 "2011-05-27T20:23:07Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > This is a completely different scenario than the one in the OP, and thus is irrelevant. You either were not talking about this situation, or you drafted your OP poorly. Might want to take a second look at that OP, **Oak**. > [@](#): > > True, but there is also no obligation to accommodate snotty little papparatzi wannabes, either. You want me to pose for you? Pay me. Otherwise, kiss my ass. Jesus. You’re really going to go all first amendment libertarian over the fucking _duckface_? Okay, fine. I think we can all stipulate that people have a right to go around with whatever dumb-fuck expression on their face that they want. They have a total legal right to do that. I doubt I’ll get any disagreement on this point. That just means that the duckface joins the long list of things people are allowed to do in public that they really shouldn’t anyway, such as trucker caps, muffin tops, and black socks with sandals. That said - > [@](#): > > This has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. You have no right to impose your desires on anyone else. If someone is causing trouble, yes, security should invite them to de-ass the premises immediately. If someone doesn’t choose to cooperate with you but otherwise causes no problems, tough shit. The OP can correct me if I’m wrong, but my impression is that people are making that face directly in response to realizing someone is taking their picture. They’re not just standing around with a dopey expression, they’re thinking, “Hey, that guy’s taking our picture! Quick! Duckface!” Thus ruining the picture the OP is trying to take, because that expression [looks](http://funnyfacespictures.com/upload/2445-3501/duckface-girl.jpg) [incredibly](http://www.rubberduckface.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/duckface.jpg) [fucking](http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2009/11/10/14/to-be-anti-duckface-is-to-be-anti-zoolander-8513-1257879854-10.jpg) [stupid](http://sliceofstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/duck_face.jpg). Now, there’s two possible reasons people do this. One: they’re deliberately trying to fuck up the OP’s picture, which makes them assholes. Two: they _actually think they look good doing that._ Which makes them idiots. Either way, it’s a completely valid reason to pit the motherfuckers. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/14 "2011-05-27T20:30:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Might want to take a second look at that OP, **Oak**. I did. Still don’t see anything about the women asking to be photographed. > [@](#): > > Either way, it’s a completely valid reason to pit the motherfuckers. Then we disagree. The guy ought to take his camera and go photograph a chipmunk or something. If he takes my picture without my permission, the law does not allow me to kick his ass—though it really should, because picture taking is obnoxious—but it does allow me to make the intrusive asshole wish he’d chosen another subject. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/15 "2011-05-27T20:33:46Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I did. Still don’t see anything about the women asking to be photographed. From the OP: > [@](#): > > Oh, and once you are drunk, realize, I have not become your personal goddamn photographer. a good rule of thumb is, if you can no longer pronounce the word ‘photographer’ because of all the cheap booze you’ve abused your liver with that evening, then the photographer probably doesn’t want you bugging him unless you are offering to perform acrobatic sex acts with him, and still cling to enough shreds of sobriety to make good on said offer. > [@](#): > > Then we disagree. The guy ought to take his camera and go photograph a chipmunk or something. If he takes my picture without my permission, the law does not allow me to kick his ass—though it really should, because picture taking is obnoxious—but it does allow me to make the intrusive asshole wish he’d chosen another subject. I’m guessing you read my post about as closely as you read the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/16 "2011-05-27T20:39:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m guessing you read my post about as closely as you read the OP. :rolleyes: Whatever you say, Miller. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Tess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e480ec/32.png) [@Tess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tess)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/17 "2011-05-27T20:44:40Z")
> [@3trew](#): > > Have we ever determined why they make that face? I suppose now it’s because everybody else does, but how did it start? I think there’s some belief that it makes the face look thinner-probably a fashion tip mutated horribly. Most girls I see doing it open their jaws a bit, suck in their cheeks slightly and tilt their heads. The final picture is usually a stretched face in 3/4 profile. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/18 "2011-05-27T20:55:14Z")
I know this idea might be a little cumbersome…but, why not have a little sign hanging from your camera stating…“Any duck face pictures will be deleted”…it would improve your selections. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/19 "2011-05-27T23:55:35Z")
“Mommy, what are you watching?” “It’s a holumentary about Facebook. Something your Gramma and Grampy used to play with, a long long time ago.” “Why are those ladies making funny faces?” “It’s called the duckface. It’s something they used to do when they were acting silly.” “Mommy?” “_Yes_?” “What’s a duck?” “Just SHUT UP AND EAT YOUR SOYLENT LUNCHABLES!” _?MEMCAST ERROR READY. \>\__ ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450/20 "2011-05-28T00:42:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The OP can correct me if I’m wrong, but my impression is that people are making that face directly in response to realizing someone is taking their picture. They’re not just standing around with a dopey expression, they’re thinking, “Hey, that guy’s taking our picture! Quick! Duckface!” So it’s **pikey pete** ’s fault! Now we know who to blame! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welcome-to-the-pit-you-annoying-venue-patrons/583450.md?page=2)