# Well Dayumn! Gay Marriage is now Legal in Alabama **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 3, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735 "2015-02-03T17:42:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2015, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/41 "2015-02-14T05:41:12Z")
The SPLC is on the case: [SPLC adds to complaint against Roy Moore](http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/politics/southunionstreet/2015/02/03/splc-adds-complaint-roy-moore/22816809/) ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2015, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/42 "2015-02-14T06:31:31Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Just dropped this in the mail today: > > February 12, 2015 > > Chief Justice Roy S. Moore > Supreme Court of Alabama > 300 Dexter Ave. > Montgomery AL 36104 > > Dear Chief Justice Moore: > > In light of your recent high-profile intervention in the same sex marriage controversy in Alabama, I thought this little refresher might be useful: > > Article VI. > > … **This Constitution** , and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, **shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby** , any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. > > The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and **all** executive and **judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution** ; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States (emphasis added). > > You’re welcome. > > Very truly yours, > > [my real name and address] Oh, that’s awesome. Well done. Many kudos, **Elendil’s Heir**. And I can’t believe Alabama is more progressive than my home state of Georgia. Higher SATs, too. I’m so embarrassed. But at least we don’t have Roy Moore. Or a statue of a boll weevil. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2015, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/43 "2015-02-14T07:16:53Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I am wondering if Roy Moore can or will get into any trouble for his actions of the past few weeks. Surely a state Chief Justice telling probate judges to ignore the rulings of a Federal court has to have _some_ kind of repercussion. He also used selections from the Bible and referenced “our Lord” several times in his letter to the governor advising him not to comply, which he wrote in his capacity as Chief Justice (and on letterhead with his titles, etc.). Chief Justice of Alabama is an elected position, so I don’t believe there is really much sanction that can be taken against him. Unless the Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission files a complaint about him, as they did when he refused to comply with the Federal court decision to take the 10 Commandments down from the front of the Alabama Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2015, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/44 "2015-02-14T08:13:39Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > The NPR reporter yesterday delicately said, “Chief Justice Moore doesn’t appreciate comparisons to George Wallace.” " Appreciate" as in “doesn’t like” or as in “doesn’t understand?” ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/45 "2015-02-14T15:20:04Z")
I image that, when marriage between whites and “colors” was being debated in the 1960’s, some people stated “Next thing you know, them goddam queers will be wanting to get married.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/46 "2015-02-15T01:57:01Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Oh, that’s awesome. Well done. Many kudos, **Elendil’s Heir** … Thanks! > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > " Appreciate" as in “doesn’t like” or as in “doesn’t understand?” In context, the former, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/47 "2015-02-15T01:59:40Z")
I think his Ten Commandments statue should be placed on his head. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/48 "2015-02-15T14:38:12Z")
Could the federal judge have him arrested on a bench warrant for contempt of court? The supremacy clause should back him up. Also any probate judge who refuses to issue marriage licenses? ---
**Author:** ![breezman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@breezman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/breezman)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/49 "2015-02-15T16:04:30Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > And I can’t believe Alabama is more progressive than my home state of Georgia. Higher SATs, too. I’m so embarrassed. I grew up in Alabama and moved to Georgia around 2002. I’m happy to see Alabama pull ahead in at least one area. The higher SATs are largely due to a selection bias. Many college and universities in Alabama require the ACT instead of the SAT. So a disproportionate number of students in Alabama who take the SAT are those who are looking to go to school out of state or are attempting to get a merit scholarship. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/50 "2015-02-15T16:27:41Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > So am I the only one getting a mental image of couples in at least 1 county having to have US Marshals escort them into the courthouse to get their marriage licences? “After a simple service, the couple was escorted to their waiting limousine by members the the 101st Airborne.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/51 "2015-02-15T17:14:19Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Could the federal judge have him arrested on a bench warrant for contempt of court? The supremacy clause should back him up. Also any probate judge who refuses to issue marriage licenses? Yes, but in the real world, Federal courts are very unlikely to go that far, especially against fellow members of the judiciary. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/52 "2015-02-15T17:22:45Z")
> [@breezman](#): > > I grew up in Alabama and moved to Georgia around 2002. I’m happy to see Alabama pull ahead in at least one area. > > The higher SATs are largely due to a selection bias. Many college and universities in Alabama require the ACT instead of the SAT. So a disproportionate number of students in Alabama who take the SAT are those who are looking to go to school out of state or are attempting to get a merit scholarship. Ah? I did not know that. Thanks for giving me back another reason to look down on Alabama. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/53 "2015-02-15T19:11:26Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Yes, but in the real world, Federal courts are very unlikely to go that far, especially against fellow members of the judiciary. Wouldn’t you first have to get an order directly against Ol’Roy? So if a probate judge were to challenge Moore’s order in federal court, got an order telling Moore to cease and desist, and then Moore disobeyed? Usually contempt requires disobedience of an order that directly applies to the individual, in my understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/54 "2015-02-15T19:19:36Z")
His interjection of himself into the controversy and issuance of an order directly contrary to the U.S. district court’s might, in the mind of a particularly aggressive Federal judge, constitute contempt. The contempt power is usually interpreted broadly. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/55 "2015-02-16T04:10:10Z")
Moore says he’s “standing up for the law.” > **[Who is Roy Moore? Alabama's Ten Commandments Judge takes on same-sex marriage](https://www.al.com/news/2015/02/who_is_roy_moore_ever_a_fighte.html)** > > Moore's targets are many and varied - special interest groups, gambling, property value reappraisals, taxes, abortion, - but same-sex marriage has again made him a household name. ---
**Author:** ![Purin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Purin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/56 "2015-02-17T01:37:01Z")
Congrats to all people in Alabama who can get married now! So happy for them. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/57 "2015-03-06T20:32:09Z")
George Takei and husband have weighed in: [“Wedding finger” given to Alabama by Star Trek actor](http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2015/03/05/wedding-finger-given-alabama-star-trek-actor/24446669/) ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/58 "2015-03-08T01:44:43Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I feel sorry for the sane people in the other 13 states. Guess what guys, Alabama is more progressive than your state! Of course, my state, Florida, only legalized SSM a few weeks ago, so I guess I’m not one to talk. I’m right there with **Revtim**. I’d be bitterly ashamed that ALABAMA was more progressive than MY state… Then again, my former state of residence, Texas, recently allowed two women to get married as a result of a loophole. And then they slammed the loophole closed, and last I heard were frantically trying to figure out a way to legally unmarry the women… I am glad I no longer live in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/59 "2015-06-28T04:41:46Z")
Chief Justice Moore is unsurprisingly displeased with the SCOTUS decision on SSM, but for the moment is only jawing. Not sure he has the balls, or the idiocy, to openly defy it or to instruct Alabama officialdom to do the same: [http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/roy-moore-conservatives-gay-marriage-alabama-react/](http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/roy-moore-conservatives-gay-marriage-alabama-react/) ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735/60 "2015-06-28T05:37:30Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Chief Justice Moore is unsurprisingly displeased with the SCOTUS decision on SSM, but for the moment is only jawing. Not sure he has the balls, or the idiocy, to openly defy it or to instruct Alabama officialdom to do the same: [http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/roy-moore-conservatives-gay-marriage-alabama-react/](http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/roy-moore-conservatives-gay-marriage-alabama-react/) Some places, like in my county, are refusing to issue marriage licenses. [http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29419325/tuscaloosa-co-probate-judge-not-issuing-same-sex-marriage-licenses-for-at-least-21-days](http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29419325/tuscaloosa-co-probate-judge-not-issuing-same-sex-marriage-licenses-for-at-least-21-days) Some counties have decided to quit issuing licenses at all. > **[Two counties out of marriage business for good after Supreme Court ruling](https://www.al.com/news/2015/06/alabama_probate_office_closes.html)** > > The Colbert, Washington and Henry Counties probate offices have closed to review the Supreme Court's ruling on same-sex marriage.Some probate judges said they may stop issuing marriage licenses to all couples. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dayumn-gay-marriage-is-now-legal-in-alabama/711735.md?page=4)