# Well dressed men smash up liquor stores in Oakland **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 26, 2005, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758 "2005-11-26T01:55:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/21 "2005-11-26T16:03:42Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > (Except I remember he called them Fruit of Islam.) Fruit of Islam is the name of the security arm of NOI. They’re supposed to be the best of the best. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/22 "2005-11-26T16:13:54Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > I agree. I wonder how it’ll be before there’s a bunch of dead well dressed men lying in pools of blood in liquor stores? Hopefully sooner rather than later. Violent criminals who suffer injury when their innocent victims protect themselves get no sympathy from me. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/23 "2005-11-26T20:11:14Z")
You have to understand of course that the Nation of Islam isn’t quite as solid as it may appear. There have traditionally been extremist splinter groups around for awhile. Like the group that committed the Zebra murders in San Francisco. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/24 "2005-11-26T20:24:45Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Fruit of Islam is the name of the security arm of NOI. They’re supposed to be the best of the best. So the “Fruit” of Islam makes "mince-"meat of their enemies? 🙂 Is that a knock on my door? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/25 "2005-11-26T21:02:34Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > You have to understand of course that the Nation of Islam isn’t quite as solid as it may appear. There have traditionally been extremist splinter groups around for awhile. Like the group that committed the Zebra murders in San Francisco. And don’t forget Farrikhan’s defending anti-semetic comments made by one member of NOI. Supposedly, Farrikhan’s departed the “reality bus” some time ago and has been claiming that he’s been in contact with aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/26 "2005-11-26T21:04:44Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > … Supposedly, Farrikhan’s departed the “reality bus” some time ago and has been claiming that he’s been in contact with aliens. Xenu? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/27 "2005-11-26T21:12:14Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > And don’t forget Farrikhan’s defending anti-semetic comments made by one member of NOI. Supposedly, Farrikhan’s departed the “reality bus” some time ago and has been claiming that he’s been in contact with aliens. No, NOI philosophy has always relied on aliens. Nation of Islam is actually rejected by traditional muslims because they believe certain things that are just completel incompatible with traditional islam. For example they believe that each of the successive leaders of NOI have been “physical embodiments of God” (Islam doesn’t believe in the physical embodiment of God.) The NOI also teaches that something like 24 black scientists living in space constitute “god.” And they also believe that the first two leaders of the NOI (Wallace Mohammad and Elijah Mohammad) are currently residing in a flying saucer which took them away from the earth at their respective times of disappearance. And while NOI may play its cards as a pacifist organization, it’s an organization that has an on again off again belief that “whites are devils,” that “blacks are the superior race”, and that Jews are “leeches that contribute to various world ills.” Also I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center has labelled NOI as a “hate group.” ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/28 "2005-11-27T04:57:19Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > I don’t know if the California chapters are different, or if something’s changed, or maybe this is just a rogue chapter. This is the late Yusuf Bey’s group ( probably - Farrakhan at least has denied they are his people ), who have always been autonomous and are lately embroiled in an internal conflict over the YB’s little empire ( which included “Your Black Muslim Bakery” ), a conflict that may have already claimed three lives ( hard to parce all of those precisely - one which claimed his son may have just been a coincidental carjacking for instance ). I wouldn’t be surprised if this is part of the internal power struggle - an attempt to gain cred as “holier than thou” perhaps. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/29 "2005-11-27T05:05:04Z")
I see. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/30 "2005-11-27T07:58:26Z")
Did they at least leave some pecan pies? ---
**Author:** ![ms.deanna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@ms.deanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ms.deanna)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/31 "2005-11-28T06:02:09Z")
They used to sell bean pies in my neck of the woods. I never bought one, but I sure as hell would have bought a pecan pie. me like pecan pie. ---
**Author:** ![caveman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caveman/32/7242_2.png) [@caveman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caveman)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/32 "2005-11-28T17:37:50Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > Liquor terrorism! > I saw a guy downtown the other day with a sign saying Why lie-I need beer on one side and the other side said Ninjas killed my family, I need money for karate lessons. He had some money in his cup. I wonder if they think that because they wore nice suits, they’ll get less of a sentence? Holy crap! :eek: I see that guy on my way home every day! I love this town… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/33 "2005-11-28T21:11:42Z")
In case anyone is interested, one of the vandalized stores had a “suspicious” fire last night, so it appears this isn’t over just yet. [Link](http://www.ktvu.com/news/5417106/detail.html). ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/34 "2005-11-28T21:59:28Z")
Supposing a store owner decided to sell liquor to every patron _except_ the black ones. I’m sure that the NOI wouldn’t be terribly happy about that sort of discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/35 "2005-11-29T16:16:09Z")
Ok this is starting to take on the elements of a Scooby Doo mystery. It seems one of the owners of the liqour store that was torched was also [kidnapped](http://www.ktvu.com/news/5422187/detail.html)! ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/36 "2005-11-29T23:04:45Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > Ok this is starting to take on the elements of a Scooby Doo mystery. It seems one of the owners of the liqour store that was torched was also [kidnapped](http://www.ktvu.com/news/5422187/detail.html)! Old man McVickers did it! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/37 "2005-11-29T23:24:51Z")
Too bad they swiped the store owner’s shotgun. It would have been nice if he had capped a few of them. ---
**Author:** ![gotpasswords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/38 "2005-11-30T20:57:08Z")
Latest update is the store that was burned has been looted. Not that there wasn’t much left that wasn’t burned or soaked, but nonetheless the burned-out store was broken into last night. Two men have been arrested for the initial vandalism, and there are four arrest warrants for others. There haven’t been any arrests or warrants yet specific to arson or kidnapping. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/39 "2005-11-30T21:47:02Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Too bad they swiped the store owner’s shotgun. It would have been nice if he had capped a few of them. Yeah, thats just what Oakland needs. More people capping each other. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758/40 "2005-11-30T21:57:01Z")
> [@even sven](#): > > Yeah, thats just what Oakland needs. More people capping each other. Yeah, because the tux guys running off scott free to cause more crime will certainly make things safer! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-dressed-men-smash-up-liquor-stores-in-oakland/332758.md?page=3)