# Well God fuck you Mr. President. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2002, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395 "2002-12-17T20:04:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2002, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/41 "2002-12-17T22:36:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mok \* > \*\*P.S.:Here are some words guaranteed to offend somebody: God, Satan, Cthulhu, Allah, Jehovah, Ahura Mazda… > Hope I offended someone somewhere up in there, > -mok \*\* It would’ve been a lot more offensive if you stuck a “zoom zoom” at the end of Ahura Mazda… (d & r) ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2002, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/42 "2002-12-17T22:54:05Z")
Well… here I was, getting ready to wrap up Dinsdale’s present… but now I guess I’ll just give it to good will. Bah! Humbug! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2002, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/43 "2002-12-17T23:03:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*Well… here I was, getting ready to wrap up Dinsdale’s present… but now I guess I’ll just give it to good will. > > Bah! Humbug! \*\* have I mentioned my new name is “Good will”??? ---
**Author:** ![Hickory6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecae2f/32.png) [@Hickory6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hickory6)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/44 "2002-12-18T00:02:13Z")
I think the O.P. er seriously needs to, oh, try the decaf. There are some things worth getting bent out of shape over. This ain’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/45 "2002-12-18T00:03:41Z")
> [@](#): > > have I mentioned my new name is “Good will”??? All right! Just tell me where to deliver this 200-gallon jug of spoiled mayonaise… ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/46 "2002-12-18T00:04:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah, I don’t know why y’all are so bent out of shape. December and the Holiday Seasons is the time of year when everybody, of all religions and belief systems, can get together and celebrate the Birth of Christ. You’ve said this before. Ummmmmm, no. Maybe can. But we don’t. Ya know, the guy is sending out a greetings to a couple of million people. If I were mass mailing Christmas cards to a million or more people, I’d be darn careful what I stuck on them. (He should have written Peace on Earth - that would have been funny). ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/47 "2002-12-18T00:08:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*I think sometimes…people look around for things to be offended by. \*\* No freaking kidding. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/48 "2002-12-18T00:15:32Z")
**Dangerosa** , it’s a paraphrase from the Simpsons. I hoped that people would pick up on the sarcasm. True, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, becaues people honestly believe that all people should celebrate Christmas and shouldn’t get upset when they receive Christmas greetings. ---
**Author:** ![Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/2bfe46/32.png) [@Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xavier)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/49 "2002-12-18T00:25:13Z")
> [@](#): > > True, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, becaues people honestly believe that all people should celebrate Christmas and shouldn’t get upset when they receive Christmas greetings. Yeah, well what about me? I have allergic reactions to Santa Claus. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/50 "2002-12-18T00:29:35Z")
Thanks pepperlandgirl. I had an impression of you that didn’t match with that comment, but you never know… I do get a little annoyed with the assumption that everyone is celebrating the birth of “our” Lord and Saviour at this time of year. I try to take good wishes in the spirit they were intended, which means that Christmas cards of the Nativity from my aunt are appreciated, Christmas cards chastising the secular nature of Christmas (Jesus is the Reason for the Season) from my sister in law who knows we aren’t Christian aren’t. And George W. didn’t bother to send me a card, but I’m not sure I’d have appreciated a mass mailing of a religious nature from the Commander In Chief any more than I’d appreciate it from my insurance guy. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/51 "2002-12-18T00:30:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\ ***Dangerosa** , it’s a paraphrase from the Simpsons. I hoped that people would pick up on the sarcasm. \*\* I got the sarcasm, **pepperlandgirl** , if it’s any consolation. I do like **Dangerosa** ’s idea of Bush putting “Peace on Earth” on his card, though. I would’ve laughed my ass off if he had. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/52 "2002-12-18T00:34:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dinsdale \* > \*\*My heart was overjoyed to receive a seasonal greeting from the President to all federal employees. He chose to conclude: > > **May God bless you and your families, and may God continue to bless America.** > > Just couldn’t pitch your big tent wide enough to avoid using the word **God** twice in a single frigging sentence? > Yep, God bless all us 'mercans, but look out if you happen to be some heathen Eye-rakki, cause we’re gonna teach you a thing or two about fire and brimstone. > > If you intended this message to convey goodwill, you missed in at least this instance. > > \*\* Ok. **Goddamn you to the fires of Hell this holiday season you evil shitbird atheist! May you be devoid of the divine mercy of our savior Jesus Christ and spend the rest of eternity being assraped by the flaming phallus’ of Satan’s Cacodemons** Oh and happy new year. That better? ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/53 "2002-12-18T00:34:35Z")
\*\*XJETGIRLX wrote: Sure, if I got a card that says “May Satan grant your every wish this demonic worshipping season” I might feel a little creeped out, but it’s nothing to be offended by.\*\* This is directed at the entire thread, just not **XJETGIRLX** : I’m not offended by Dubya’s sentiment, but it is somewhat crass on his part. Saying “God bless you” when you’re unsure of the religion of the receiver doe show a degree of thoughtlessness. How would Christians feel if they received holiday cards saying “A most blessed Winter Solstice to you! And may the Goddess smile upon you in the coming New Year!” ? Well, that’s the way many non-Christian theists feel when we get holiday cards wishing us “Merry Christmas” and “God bless you!” statements. If you’re going to send me some good wishes, a little forethought on the matter would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/54 "2002-12-18T00:41:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*Well, I’m an atheist, and even a Democrat, but I don’t think that letter was particularly offensive. He didn’t say, “and all you atheists and heathens will burn in hell forever” or anything like that. He included a personal wish that the G-d he believes exists would bless you and your family for this year. While he might be wrong, and no such G-d exists, he believes one does, and requesting that He bless you, which is a good thing. > > If someone posts in MPSIMS something like “My sister is sick” or “My father died”, they’re likely to get posts expressing sympathy, and some of those posts will say something like “I’ll pray for you and your family”. While you might not believe a G-d exists that answers prayers, and indeed, that prayers are useless, the person, by offering those prayers, is offering their sympathy. It would be inappropriate for you, in that situation, to condemn them for their post. Likewise, I feel, it is inappropriate for you to condemn the President for his card. \*\* **Cpt.** , I am a atheist too, and I agree with your statement. Seriously, **Dinsdale** (where’s Spiny Norman?!?), what’s wrong with someone offering good wishes to you in the way they choose? It’s really no skin off your ass. FTR, I think Shrub is a waste of space, but that’s pretty much how I feel about _all_ politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/55 "2002-12-18T00:47:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Freyr \* > \*\* > I’m not offended by Dubya’s sentiment, but it is somewhat crass on his part. Saying “God bless you” when you’re unsure of the religion of the receiver doe show a degree of thoughtlessness._\* That’s how I feel too. It’s kind of ignorant to assume everybody is the same religion you are. It’s not offensive, but I expect more from a president, even W. Gotta keep lowering my standards… ---
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/56 "2002-12-18T00:58:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Freyr \* > \*\*If you’re going to send me some good wishes, a little forethought on the matter would be nice. \*\* Oh please. Yes, we all wish that Dubya and company were a little more tolerant of other people’s views. However, the solution is not to drown everything in loads of political correctness, resulting in the inability to profess any specific belief. The answer is to be more accepting of everyone’s beliefs. I just can’t see how someone saying “I wish you well, and I hope my deity will bless you in the coming year.” could offend anyone who is being even remotely rational about it. I’m not saying that people WILL be, and I’m fairly sure that a good percentage of America would be made uncomfortable upon recieving a card similiar to what you posted, but that’s a whole separate problem. LC ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/57 "2002-12-18T01:10:13Z")
I’m sorry, but there are more important things to be offended by. Get the fuck over yourselves, and just chalk it up to someone being a well-meaning, yet somewhat clueless moron. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/58 "2002-12-18T01:32:36Z")
gee, **Kimstu** and I seem to be the only ones wondering \(ahem) **who the fuck is paying for the PRes to send any kind of fucking greeting cards to all federal employees???** ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/59 "2002-12-18T01:36:28Z")
Christians, you take your religion seriously, no? The Birth of Christ, your Lord and Savior is an important event to you, correct? Your believes of the great hereafter _means_ something to you. Because you take it seriously, you expect others too as well. Christmas isn’t about Santa Clause and presents (mostly, it’s fun, but you are having a serious celebration.) What you have to understand is that people who are not Christian or do not believe in any God take their beliefs as seriously as you take yours. It _is_ offensive when people assume you believe in God. Maybe you think it shouldn’t be, because God is so important in your world that you can’t imagine why someone would be offended by his/her presence. But it _is_ offensive. Making that assumption shows a marked disrespect for who I am and my personal believes. Christians do not have a monopoly on celebrating in December. It is crude and arrogant to assume that just because you believe it’s time to celebrate the birth of Chirst, everybody agrees with this. I’m sorry if you don’t see why this is. ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2002, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395/60 "2002-12-18T02:16:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Freyr \* > \*\*\*\*XJETGIRLX wrote: > > Sure, if I got a card that says “May Satan grant your every wish this demonic worshipping season” I might feel a little creeped out, but it’s nothing to be offended by.\*\* > > This is directed at the entire thread, just not **XJETGIRLX** : > > I’m not offended by Dubya’s sentiment, but it is somewhat crass on his part. Saying “God bless you” when you’re unsure of the religion of the receiver doe show a degree of thoughtlessness. > > How would Christians feel if they received holiday cards saying “A most blessed Winter Solstice to you! And may the Goddess smile upon you in the coming New Year!” ? > > Well, that’s the way many non-Christian theists feel when we get holiday cards wishing us “Merry Christmas” and “God bless you!” statements. > > If you’re going to send me some good wishes, a little forethought on the matter would be nice. \*\* Actually, Freyr, if I received a card like that I’d be happy to know that someone thought enough of me to send it. I have friends of many different religions and spiritual persuasions, and to know that they wish to share something of importance with me, even in a small way, is a gift in and of itself. I can’t speak for anyone else in this world, but I know enough to not feel threatened by other people’s views just because I don’t share them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-god-fuck-you-mr-president/143395.md?page=4)