# Well here we go again. Jill Stein for Spoiler 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 16, 2023, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220 "2023-11-16T06:26:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/41 "2023-11-29T17:22:56Z")
> [@ConstantSkeptic](#): > > . It is the height of arrogance to think that anyone owes any candidate their votes. Votes do not belong to a candidate, they belong to the voters. No no one “owes” any candidate their vote, they owe the country their vote and they should use their vote wisely in order to make the country better. A Clinton would obviously have been better for the country in terms of all of the things that the Greens purport to support than Trump was. Voting for dark horse candidate in such a consequential election demonstrates an indifference to the issues of climate change, corporate accountability, minority rights, and a woman’s right to decide what happens to their bodies, such that they are willing to cast those a side in favor of a feeling of personal purity. > [@ConstantSkeptic](#): > > And finally, if either major party candidate can’t get enough votes to get elected, maybe their party should choose better candidates or have better platforms. And why do you think those “better” candidates and “better” platforms would get them elected, rather than just alienate a different portion of the electorate and cause them to lose by a wider margin? The Greens have to come to terms with the fact that their agenda represent a minority of the voting population, and that just because they are passionately sure that they are right, and may actually be right, doesn’t mean that their way will or should prevail in a Democracy. If their viewpoint can’t win in the Democratic primary where the deck is stacked towards those who support their view, how can they hope to win in the general election. > [@ConstantSkeptic](#): > > Oh…and just as an aside, [300,000 Democratic voters](https://www.salon.com/2000/11/28/hightower/) voted for Bush in Florida in 2000. That beats the 97,000 votes Nader got by a long shot. Now who is saying that parties are owed votes. Party affiliation is meaningless. There are left over Dixiecrats, there are conservatives who live in Democratic strong holds so want to vote in the Democratic primary, or maybe someone who’s conservative but has a friend who is running in a local election as a Democrat. In any case what ever the reason that these people registered as Democrats, their voting actions indicated that they supported the conservative agenda espoused by Trump more than the moderate/liberal agenda supported by Clinton. With the Greens on the other hand, their voting for a Green candidates indicates that they support a strongly liberal agenda, one that was utterly decimated by the Trump presidency in a way that was completely obvious going in and would never have happened under Clinton. But rather than stop the bleeding they opted in favor of pouting on the side lines. If you really realistically want to advance a strongly progressive agenda here is what needs to be done. 1. Do everything you can to promote ranked choice voting. That way you can have it all, you can demonstrate your love for your chosen one while still using your vote to oppose evil. 2. Do everything you can to support progressive candidates in the Democratic primary. If you can’t win here, you can’t win nation wide so this is the first step towards relevence. 3. For gods sake if they choice is between absolute evil and 'meh, vote for the 'meh. 25 million women lost their right to their own bodies because because people didn’t make that distinction. Elections have consequences which means voting has consequences. Use yours wisely. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/42 "2023-11-29T20:21:40Z")
This is exactly what I see here. She was damned if she did and damned if she didn’t. She was a middle ground politician and a policy wonk. But she was a female so there was no path for her to be a “good candidate.” ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/43 "2023-11-29T20:28:39Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Elections have consequences which means voting has consequences. Use yours wisely. Quoted for truth. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/44 "2023-12-01T06:21:06Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > For gods sake if they choice is between absolute evil and 'meh, vote for the 'meh. 25 million women lost their right to their own bodies because because people didn’t make that distinction. Elections have consequences which means voting has consequences. Use yours wisely. 1000x this. While it’s true that nobody _owes_ their vote to any candidate, we do owe our votes to others who share our values, and to those who come after us. We owe it to them to vote in a way that will further progressive ideals or, at least, preserve what progress there has been so far. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/45 "2023-12-02T17:38:48Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > To this day I cannot figure out the loathing of Hillary Clinton. I’m not a devoted fan anymore than I am of any candidate. I found her smart, her proposed policies good though not as progressive as I like, and capable, also not crazy. She was not at all charismatic, but I don’t need charisma. I need someone who knows how to do government and who thinks governing is important. I don’t understand how she thought she was “entitled” to the nomination or the presidency. I have always thought there was a lot of misogyny surrounding this particular view of Clinton. So very true. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/46 "2024-09-18T20:16:43Z")
Jill Stein: ineffectual campaigner leading the Green Party into decline, or malignant narcissist? > **[Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party](https://newrepublic.com/article/186004/green-jill-stein-2024-election)** > > With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/47 "2024-09-18T21:13:31Z")
Four things I admire about the [Democratic Socialists of America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America) are they don’t support Republicans, they don’t support fascism, they don’t spoil elections, and as far as I know they aren’t in Putin’s pocket. They have 3 publications, and support candidates securing offices from local school boards, to 4 winners in the 2020 US House elections. They’ve had their share of missteps and bad judgment but nothing approaching Green Party dumb. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/48 "2024-09-18T21:17:54Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Jill Stein: ineffectual campaigner leading the Green Party into decline, or malignant narcissist? Both, of course. I still haven’t forgotten a radio clip I heard in which she contemptuously dissed Obama. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/49 "2024-09-18T23:28:29Z")
Mehdi Hasan interviewed her. He really made her look pathetic, IMO. This is a twitter clip and it contains a link to the full interview if interested, but you have to be a subscriber to whatever zeteo is. > ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/50 "2024-09-18T23:35:51Z")
“In so many words”, Stein is a laughably evasive hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/51 "2024-09-18T23:50:18Z")
At one point Mehdi asked her what she said to Putin when she was sitting across from him at the table and she said nothing because there wasn’t a translator. Mehdi then told her that Putin speaks English. She looked rather trapped. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/52 "2024-09-19T17:31:45Z")
Good to read, but I don’t think Jill Stein falls under the heading of “useful idiot.” Her followers are the useful idiots. The accurate term for Jill Stein is Russian asset. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/53 "2024-09-20T01:05:39Z")
Or, in popular usage, not legal definition, “traitor”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/54 "2024-09-21T07:12:08Z")
Well, at least the damage she can do to the Harris campaign has been lessened. If I’d known about this, I would have assumed that SCOTUS would allow her to be on the ballot, but perhaps I’m too cynical. > **[Supreme Court rejects Green Party's appeal to put Jill Stein on Nevada ballot](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5114966/supreme-court-jill-stein-nevada)** > > The court’s action upheld a decision of the Nevada Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/55 "2024-09-21T18:35:31Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I would have assumed that SCOTUS would allow her to be on the ballot, but perhaps I’m too cynical. Nah, this was one of their ‘_see, we’re not COMPLETELY on the extreme-right’s side!_’ show-decisions. It’s just to keep us quiet and prevent actual action by Congress to do things they won’t like, such as holding them to the ethical standards other judges and justices must follow. It’s window-dressing: fake ‘we’re impartial’ decisions, like the one decided June 13 of this year: > [@](#): > > Without addressing whether mifepristone should be further restricted, the court found that these anti-abortion plaintiffs lack “legal standing” – meaning they do not have a sufficient connection to the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) regulation of mifepristone to be able to challenge the agency’s decisions in court. > > The court’s decision is a relief, but we should not be dazzled by the fact that the justices did the right thing based purely on a legal technicality. While the Supreme Court refused to allow these particular anti-abortion groups to bring this case, extremist politicians have vowed to continue to use the courts and the law to strip away access to medication abortion nationwide. … > **[The Supreme Court Rejected an Attack on Medication Abortion, But the Fight Is...](https://www.aclu.org/news/reproductive-freedom/the-supreme-court-rejected-an-attack-on-medication-abortion-but-the-fight-is-far-from-over)** > > The court ruled against anti-abortion groups on a technicality, but extremist politicians have vowed to continue efforts to restrict access to abortion nationwide. The Roberts Court is confident enough that Jill Stein not being on that ballot won’t hurt their Trumpy-wumpy enough to matter. So why _not_ throw down a decision that makes them look like they’re actually doing the job they were appointed to do? ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/56 "2024-10-06T03:01:58Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Both, of course. I still haven’t forgotten a radio clip I heard in which she contemptuously dissed Obama. Well that part I can understand. Third party candidates can almost always be counted on to disparage the major parties, especially the one in power. It’s how they try to justify themselves. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2024, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220/57 "2024-10-07T02:02:07Z")
Differ on policy? Fine. Disparage contemptuously as a person? Not fine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-here-we-go-again-jill-stein-for-spoiler-2024/993220.md?page=2)