# Well, I guess we better talk about Jeb Bush. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 31, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981 "2014-03-31T13:34:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/101 "2014-04-08T20:16:17Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Jeb is waaaaay too moderate to survive the Republican primary season. I dunno, if he keeps his head down and lets the various wingnuts each have their glorious week of leading-in-the-polls before self-destructing, he could easily grasp a Romney-style defeat. So how’s the Schiavo thing going to play? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/102 "2014-04-08T21:54:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno, if he keeps his head down and lets the various wingnuts each have their glorious week of leading-in-the-polls before self-destructing, he could easily grasp a Romney-style defeat. > > So how’s the Schiavo thing going to play? Not at all, unless an opponent brings it up. It’s the kind of thing people remember, but only when reminded. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/103 "2014-04-09T00:23:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno, if he keeps his head down and lets the various wingnuts each have their glorious week of leading-in-the-polls before self-destructing, he could easily grasp a Romney-style defeat. Ha! I’m guessing if he runs he’ll be aiming for something a bit better than that. And trying to be Mr. “I Love Immigrants!” isn’t going to get him enough (I) votes to offset what he would lose from the (R) base. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/104 "2014-04-09T03:36:13Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Ha! I’m guessing if he runs he’ll be aiming for something a bit better than that. But, if we’re talkin’ about a Romney-style defeat, there ain’t nuttin’ better or more honorable (as distinct from something more sellable) that Jeb **could** aim at, or, much more importantly, would aim at, as a Pub, therefore he won’t, the Pubslave. ---
**Author:** ![randompattern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@randompattern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randompattern)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/105 "2014-04-09T04:02:12Z")
If he decides to run, I hope he uses his real name, John. President Jeb makes me think he’ll want to install a CE-ment pond out back for Ellie’s critters. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/106 "2014-04-09T06:39:47Z")
> [@randompattern](#): > > If he decides to run, I hope he uses his real name, John. > President Jeb makes me think he’ll want to install a CE-ment pond out back for Ellie’s critters. Yeah, but just think of all the fun times he’d have hostin’ furrin dignitaries in the fancy-eatin’-room! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/107 "2014-04-09T13:35:05Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Ha! I’m guessing if he runs he’ll be aiming for something a bit better than that. > > And trying to be Mr. “I Love Immigrants!” isn’t going to get him enough (I) votes to offset what he would lose from the (R) base. Not sure about that. If not for “47%” and alienating the Hispanic community Romney might very well have won the last election. > [@randompattern](#): > > If he decides to run, I hope he uses his real name, John. > President Jeb makes me think he’ll want to install a CE-ment pond out back for Ellie’s critters. We already had a President Dwight. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/108 "2014-04-09T20:38:21Z")
> [@randompattern](#): > > If he decides to run, I hope he uses his real name, John. > President Jeb makes me think he’ll want to install a CE-ment pond out back for Ellie’s critters. _That little Bush has got his own cement pond, That little Bush, he is a millionaire!_ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/109 "2014-04-09T20:44:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno, if he keeps his head down and lets the various wingnuts each have their glorious week of leading-in-the-polls before self-destructing, he could easily grasp a Romney-style defeat. I don’t think so. I think this year’s crop of likely wingnut candidates is much stronger than 2012’s. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum post-2012, are, as a group, much more formidable from a GOP primary standpoint than Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and pre-2012 Rick Santorum. Other than Perry, the 2012 group was a bunch of has-beens and never-wases. I think it may be too late to construct an Establishment candidate who can win. Including Jeb. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/110 "2014-04-09T22:06:52Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I don’t think so. I think this year’s crop of likely wingnut candidates is much stronger than 2012’s. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum post-2012, are, as a group, much more formidable from a GOP primary standpoint than Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and pre-2012 Rick Santorum. But, even the Pubs must understand that not one of those could win the general election if he had Jesus Christ for a running mate and the Dems were running a rotting dog carcass/small pool of varnish ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/111 "2014-04-09T22:48:37Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I don’t think so. I think this year’s crop of likely wingnut candidates is much stronger than 2012’s. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum post-2012, are, as a group, much more formidable from a GOP primary standpoint than Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and pre-2012 Rick Santorum. Other than Perry, the 2012 group was a bunch of has-beens and never-wases. I think it may be too late to construct an Establishment candidate who can win. Including Jeb. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum, Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum. each one of these men (and two women) have or have had a faithful following of voters which will more than likely swing their vote toward GOP candidate Jeb Bush making him the winner for POTUS in January 2017. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/112 "2014-04-09T23:37:34Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum, Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum. > > each one of these men (and two women) have or have had a faithful following of voters which will more than likely swing their vote toward GOP candidate Jeb Bush making him the winner for POTUS in January 2017. You are ignoring the significant Boolean intersection between those followings. Add 'em all up and you still don’t have enough votes to beat a rotting dog carcass. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/113 "2014-04-10T00:10:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, even the Pubs must understand that not one of those could win the general election if he had Jesus Christ for a running mate and the Dems were running a rotting dog carcass/small pool of varnish ticket. I think for a lot of low-information voters, the independents who often swing elections in many cases, the name “Bush” is still spelled “Shit” thanks to Dubya’s “brilliant” presidency. So I don’t think Jeb has as much of a chance as Rick Santorum. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/114 "2014-04-10T04:02:52Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I think for a lot of low-information voters, the independents who often swing elections in many cases, the name “Bush” is still spelled “Shit” thanks to Dubya’s “brilliant” presidency. So I don’t think Jeb has as much of a chance as Rick Santorum. Jeb Bush does not have as much of a chance as the thing for which “Santorum” was **named.** ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/115 "2014-04-10T07:05:52Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum, Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum. > > each one of these men (and two women) have or have had a faithful following of voters which will more than likely swing their vote toward GOP candidate Jeb Bush making him the winner for POTUS in January 2017. Not if Jeb keeps talking nice about immigrants. That faithful following of voters will do everything thing they can to keep him from getting anywhere near the GOP nomination. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/116 "2014-04-10T17:27:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, even the Pubs must understand that not one of those could win the general election if he had Jesus Christ for a running mate and the Dems were running a rotting dog carcass/small pool of varnish ticket. Tru dat. But I really do think that GOP primary voters look at their choices, and unconsciously divide them between those that they can see semi-convincingly playing a President on TV, and those they can’t see doing that. And they pick the one they like best from the former group. In 2012, Romney benefited from the fact that even a GOP partisan couldn’t really see any of the non-Romneys playing a President on TV. I don’t think they’ll have that problem with most of the likely GOP candidates this time. So there will be plenty of choices that clear the play-a-President-on-TV threshold that they will like a whole lot better than Jeb. I also think that (a) Jeb doesn’t want the job that badly, and (b) he’s out of touch with the GOP primary electorate, having not run for office since _ **2002.** _ > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Not if Jeb keeps talking nice about immigrants. That faithful following of voters will do everything thing they can to keep him from getting anywhere near the GOP nomination. And this. Rick Perry’s hopes got killed in the 2012 cycle by words that didn’t go nearly as far as what Jeb said the other day. ---
**Author:** ![Cartwright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Cartwright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartwright)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/117 "2014-04-10T19:53:03Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > It’s looking more and more likely that Jeb Bush is interested in making a presidential run, so maybe we should start looking at him. > > I don’t know much about him, other than who his brother is. Was he a good governor? How far right is he? Does he have a chance? > > What do you guys think? I think they need to expand the constitution rules to stop family members from running after you. At least a few generations. 2 terms, have to be born here, and children can’t follow their parents. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/118 "2014-04-15T20:36:46Z")
Looks like we stopped talking about Jeb Bush for president five days ago, but his name will come up again … I bet you (smile) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/119 "2014-04-15T20:56:47Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > Looks like we stopped talking about Jeb Bush for president five days ago, but his name will come up again … I bet you (smile) Indeed, Republicans just can’t stop talking about Jeb Bush: [New Hampshire GOPers Boo Jeb Bush After Trump Mocks His Immigration Stance](http://www.mediaite.com/tv/new-hampshire-gopers-boo-jeb-bush-after-trump-mocks-his-immigration-stance/) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981/120 "2014-04-24T20:11:43Z")
Two years, six months and about eleven days till the election … Jeb Bush finally said that he is thinking about it: [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-bush-im-thinking-about-running-for-president-in-2016/](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-bush-im-thinking-about-running-for-president-in-2016/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-i-guess-we-better-talk-about-jeb-bush/684981.md?page=7)