# Well, if you found a link, I guess you win **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2004, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620 "2004-01-09T11:25:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/21 "2004-01-09T14:10:52Z")
Dammit – didn’t hit the stop button in time! …responsible for more prenatal **deaths** … Daniel ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/22 "2004-01-09T14:37:51Z")
[http://www.counterpunch.org/mccarthypierce.html](http://www.counterpunch.org/mccarthypierce.html) [http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-04/26/11325.html](http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-04/26/11325.html) [http://www.cornellreview.org/viewart.cgi?num=45](http://www.cornellreview.org/viewart.cgi?num=45) [http://www.autentico.org/oa09347.php](http://www.autentico.org/oa09347.php) these are just as reputable as MoveOn, explain them away, or YOU fuck off. Like I said, I can come up with a minimum of 4 sites for every Bush bashing one. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/23 "2004-01-09T14:42:15Z")
You dumbass, I’m not even going to look at these cites. That’s not how it works. You want ot use these cites? USE THEM IN CONTEXT! Start a thread dealing with a subject that is covered by one of these cites (better yet, join such a thread). Make an argument using your own words; back up factual declarations in your argument with a link to a website. THEN, if I’m participating in that thread and if I doubt your factual statement, I’ll go take a look at your cite and decide for myself if: 1. You’ve accurately represented what the cite has said; and 2. The cite is accurately representing what happened. If I think that 1 or 2 is false, I’ll come back to the thread and explain myself. If 1, then I’ll quote the website more fully to show how you misrepresented it. If 2, I’ll quote a more authoritative website to show how your cite misrepresented what happened. Don’t just throw cites out devoid of context in order to be a prick. Jesus doesn’t like that kind of behavior. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/24 "2004-01-09T14:44:27Z")
ok, I’ll use them in context. Clinton is bad. See how easy it is? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/25 "2004-01-09T14:48:57Z")
Just for giggles, folks, check out **duffer’s** [serb-info link](http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-04/26/11325.html). This isn’t a counter to a Bush-bashing; rather, it’s a 1999 article that seems to be, in broken English, comparing NATO to Nazi Germany: > [@](#): > > Clinton is compared with Hitler, NATO with Nazis, and this relation of Washington to the neighbors of Yugoslavia shows us that there are many reasons to be compared that way. NATO is using them like vassals, just like Hitler did in 1941. > > This possessed NATO aggression on Yugoslavia has already destabilized the region politically, militarily, economically, and has caused severe protests of the public opinion in most of the neighboring countries. In order to stop this unpleasant development of situation, aggressors are resorting to use of blackmails, force and cheapest lies: they promote the attacked as the aggressor and promise to help the “endangered”. Riiiiiight. What exactly are you trying to prove here, **duffer**? What were you saying in that other thread about studying insanity? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/26 "2004-01-09T14:51:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by duffer \* > \*\*ok, I’ll use them in context. Clinton is bad. See how easy it is? \*\* Why they don’t ban people for willful ignorance I’ll never understand. You know now how to be taken seriously. If you choose to deliberately misinterpret that advice in order to act like a prick, why, that’s your decision. You’ll get called assclown a lot, but more power to you if that’s what you want. Or you can argue honestly and cogently, and get respect. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/27 "2004-01-09T14:54:35Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by duffer_ > **these are just as reputable as MoveOn, explain them away, or YOU fuck off. Like I said, I can come up with a minimum of 4 sites for every Bush bashing one.** Um, are you really that stupid? You said: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by duffer_ > **For every site you link bashing my view I can find 2 that refutes you. For every 2 you site, I can find 4.** Seems pretty clear that you’re complaining about people posting on this board, and using cites to back up their positions: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by duffer_ > \*\*No, I’m referring to the cites I’ve seen to places like [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org) that are never challenged, but mention [NewsMax.com](http://NewsMax.com) and you get flamed. \*\* What I’m asking you for is a cite (i.e. a link or a quote or something - some kind of evidence) that people on this board cite [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org) and never get challenged. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/28 "2004-01-09T14:55:38Z")
so much for not checking out the cites. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/29 "2004-01-09T14:56:43Z")
Holy shit. I just checked out the second of **duffer’s** four cites (remember, he’s using these cites to argue that Clinton is bad). I know I said I wouldn’t look at them, but the entertainment value is too high. Turns out [it’s an article disparaging a campus animal-rights newspaper](http://www.cornellreview.org/viewart.cgi?num=45). It has nothing to do with Clinton whatsoever. Well, that’s not quite true: apparently, the article appeared in a campus newsletter issue entitled “Lies, Damn Lies and Clinton” in September 1996. Other than that, it has nothing to do with Clinton. What does it share in common with the first cite I looked at? Why, on that web page, the word “Nazi” appears close to the word “Clinton.” Did this dumbshit really just google Clinton and Nazi and throw up a bunch of links without even looking at them first? Let’s see. I’ll go look at his other two links and report back. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/30 "2004-01-09T14:57:58Z")
I happen to _like_ smores. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/31 "2004-01-09T15:09:47Z")
Looks good so far: the third cite links to [an article about the Black Book of Communism](http://www.autentico.org/oa09347.php), in which the word Nazi appears close to the word Clinton. Some yahoo says returning Elian Gonzalez to Cuba “would be exactly the same thing as returning a Jewish boy to Nazi Germany.” In the next paragraph appears the sentence, “Because of President Clinton’s incredible blundering, the Russian Federation has renewed its interest in and support of Cuba.” Other than that, “Clinton” isn’t mentioned on the page – _except for in the left-hand column, where there’s a list of over 2,500 invisible keywords_. The list contains IP addresses, words like “antibiotics” (which appears nowhere else on the page, incidentally), and names like “Antonio Mendez” and “Clinton.” Let’s check out the last cite, which is in my opinion the classiest: He links to the leftist website [Counterpunch](http://www.counterpunch.org/mccarthypierce.html), in an article written by Alexander Cockburn, that famous Clinton-basher. Well, maybe not so famous after all: in the article, he quotes two people disparaging Clinton. One of them is probably well-known to most of you: Osama Bin Laden says, according to the article, > [@](#): > > Those who support their “dissolute President” Osama(seconded by Pierce) warns, are fair game for destruction and annihilation. Pierce? Who’s Pierce? Why, he’s the other person in the article who disparages Clinton. And he’s the head of the neo-Nazi (notice that word Nazi) organization National Alliance. Checkmate, dude. You’ve proven that you don’t know how to use cites, and that by bashing Clinton, you’ve joined the company of terrorists and neo-Nazis. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/32 "2004-01-09T15:11:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Left Hand of Dorkness \* > \*\*Holy shit. I just checked out the second of **duffer’s** four cites (remember, he’s using these cites to argue that Clinton is bad). I know I said I wouldn’t look at them, but the entertainment value is too high. > > Turns out [it’s an article disparaging a campus animal-rights newspaper](http://www.cornellreview.org/viewart.cgi?num=45). It has nothing to do with Clinton whatsoever. > > Well, that’s not quite true: apparently, the article appeared in a campus newsletter issue entitled “Lies, Damn Lies and Clinton” in September 1996. Other than that, it has nothing to do with Clinton. > > What does it share in common with the first cite I looked at? Why, on that web page, the word “Nazi” appears close to the word “Clinton.” > > Did this dumbshit really just google Clinton and Nazi and throw up a bunch of links without even looking at them first? > > Let’s see. I’ll go look at his other two links and report back. > Daniel \*\* Dipshit, the Clinton reference was in jest. My OP was referring to the fact that anyone can find a website to back up any outlandish claim ON EITHER SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM!!! I’m done trying to argue the point with you. You have a blinding hatred for the American Right. I get it. I’m no fan of the American Left, but if you want to debate a point, I’m there. I hate that Bush has given Carte Blanche to illegals that go to the front of the line, in effect telling those trying to get here legally are SOL, but that is getting way off topic. If my OP wasn’t neutral enough for you, well, I won’t aplogize for it. I’m just worried how thin-skinned we’re becoming. Stand up for what you believe in, but don’t take pot-shots and claim the high road. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/33 "2004-01-09T15:12:38Z")
Addendum: William Pierce, author of the _Turner Diaries_, is perhaps the head of National Alliance, depending on what your definition of “is” is. At the time of the article he is the head of the organization; at the time of this post, he’s pushing up Aryan Jew-hating daisies. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/34 "2004-01-09T15:14:16Z")
I **love** that you call me dipshit. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/35 "2004-01-09T15:34:56Z")
my pleasure sweet-cheeks 😜 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/36 "2004-01-09T15:37:54Z")
God, this is annoying. Is this stupid thread spilling over from political argument from elsewhere? It seems like it, so link us the fuck up so we have a damn clue. As far as cites go, I think **Daniel** summed it up well. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/37 "2004-01-09T16:21:03Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Desmostylus_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by duffer_ > > **No, I’m referring to the cites I’ve seen to places like [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org) that are never challenged…** > > I think it’s time for you to either produce some cites, or fuck off. > > You’re the one who bragged in your OP that you could easily find cites. So do it. I assumed what **Desmostylus** meant was, provide some cites of people misusing sites here on SDMB. I know it happens all the time, so that shouldn’t be too hard for you. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/38 "2004-01-09T16:29:53Z")
I think **dipshit Danny** and **duffer** bailed out of the topic and started throwing conservative and liberal punches at each other. I thought that the whole rant was about people who pile on cites instead of argueing their point. **Duffer** was implying that with so many editorial cites available on the web, anybody can find multiple cites that support their opinion. That doesn’t make them right. It just means that they can find editorial cites. Bubba Hey, he said he _ **loves** _ to be called dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/39 "2004-01-09T16:36:47Z")
Shit, [I can link to a thread in which cites are horribly misused.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=234060) As usual, the person horribly misusing cites got torn into pieces for doing it. So what’s the problem? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-if-you-found-a-link-i-guess-you-win/223620/40 "2004-01-09T16:42:45Z")
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