# Well Rhonda Rousey had a good night. She got TKO'd in 48 secs but made $ 62,500 per second! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 31, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954 "2016-12-31T06:11:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/1 "2016-12-31T06:11:12Z")
I don’t think she’s going to get another 3 million dollar payday after that performance. > **[UFC 207 recap: Nunes stops Rousey in 48 seconds, plus all other fights on card](https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-ufc-207-live-updates-rouseys-return-action-htmlstory.html)** > > Amanda Nunes might have put another nail in the career of Ronda Rousey with a devastating win under a minute to retain her bantamweight title. Nunes rocked Rousey with several hard punches and Rousey never recovered. Follow along with this live blog... > [@](#): > > UFC 207 live updates: Amanda Nunes stops Ronda Rousey in 48 seconds > Dec. 30, 2016, 10:07 p.m. > > Amanda Nunes might have put another nail in the career of Ronda Rousey with a devastating win under a minute to retain her bantamweight title. > > Nunes rocked Rousey with several hard punches and Rousey never recovered. Follow along with this live blog to get all the analysis and updates live from Las Vegas ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/2 "2016-12-31T06:26:51Z")
Apparently, Miss Rousey received quite the devastating beatdown. Like, worthy of [Smokey telling her “You got knocked the fuck out, man!”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9z8F4fgj6Q) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/3 "2016-12-31T06:27:03Z")
Rousey is no kind of boxer and is easy prey for fighters who are. She’s a great judo artist but against a good puncher and ring tactician she just eats punch after punch after punch. I’m sorry to see her go down so soon and so convincingly, given that she’s obviously worked her butt off to get into shape. But it takes years to develop good boxing skills and she either never worked to attain any or else got far too little, far too late. She’s a great looking girl, and rich to boot. Time for her to retire, concentrate on her movie career if it’s still viable, and enjoy the lucrative fruits of her briefly spectacular career. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/4 "2016-12-31T08:19:35Z")
[Here’s a video of the fight.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNC-FunAUv8) I was amused by what one of the commenters wrote: > [@](#): > > Ronda beat the shit out of Amanda’s fists with her face! I’m glad the ref stepped in before Ronda went postal and started head butting Amanda’s knees and shins. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/5 "2016-12-31T10:48:52Z")
I hope Rousey walks away. She’s got other lucrative options that don’t involve possible brain damage. She trained hard. Avoided any media distractions and still got her ass kicked. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/6 "2016-12-31T11:30:42Z")
I suppose this makes it increasingly more likely that she’ll be fighting at WrestleMania this year. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/7 "2016-12-31T12:37:24Z")
Why did she try to outbox a boxer?:smack: Try to take it the ground lady.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/8 "2016-12-31T13:33:51Z")
It’s rather extraordinary how she’s gone from being an unstoppable juggernaut who challenged Floyd Mayweather to a fight…to being being thoroughly thrashed in two straight fights. Rousey is a great grappler and she will be remembered for putting women’s MMA on the map, but she’s basically been a one-dimensional fighter throughout her career. It was inevitable that someone would eventually figure out how to stuff her take-downs and make her pay dearly in a stand-up fight, and that’s what has happened in her last two appearances. It’s probably time for her to go to the broadcast booth now. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/9 "2016-12-31T14:18:08Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why did she try to outbox a boxer?:smack: > > Try to take it the ground lady.:rolleyes: That’s the conundrum, ain’t it? Because if you are going to grapple somebody, you need to spend a few milliseconds with your guard down, while you are using your hands. And that may fly against a weak or slow opponent, but against someone lethal, that’s how you get your nose and cheekbones caved in. So the only way is to try and gain that moment by punching your opponent first, and then you can take it to the ground. But if you are just not good enough to even do that, then you are done. Go to the WWE or something. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/10 "2016-12-31T14:33:30Z")
What a fall from greatness. She had all the skills but she didn’t have the heart and mind of a champion. Well then, off to the WWE for Rhonda. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/11 "2016-12-31T15:28:44Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > She had all the skills but she didn’t have the heart and mind of a champion. Granted I am no expert, but it actually seems sort of the opposite. She seems game enough, but doesn’t have the complete package of skills. ‘Heart of a champion’ won’t get you very far if you have an achilles heel. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/12 "2016-12-31T15:37:31Z")
Clearly they anointed her “Greatest Female Fighter Alive” a wee bit early, after only 12 matches against suspect competition. Granted, she dominated those first 12 fights, but call it the “Mike Tyson Career Arc.” As soon as she found herself in the ring with a worthy opponent, she crumbled. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/13 "2016-12-31T16:12:23Z")
To be honest I’m thinking Ronda has neither the skills nor the heart…or at least not anymore, in the case of her heart. Roused has shown in the past that she can take punishment, not tapping out and allowing her elbow to be dislocated before recovering and somehow winning the fight. But she’s seemed damaged, withdrawn and defeated mentally ever since her loss to Holly Holm, withdrawing from public view and even stating that she had contemplated suicide at one point. She certainly worked hard on her body to get trimmed down and in good physical shape, but I noticed even at the weigh-in that she didn’t seem to be her old self. During the stare down she was the one who broke eye contact first and then while walking off looked back over her shoulder in a way that made her look diffident and unsure of herself. And during the walk to the cage just before the fight, the eye of the tiger was just not there. She tried to put on a badass face but you could still see uncertainty and lack of confidence in her eyes. I’m thinking she was pretty much defeated before she ever got into the cage. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/14 "2016-12-31T16:19:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I suppose this makes it increasingly more likely that she’ll be fighting at WrestleMania this year. Depends on if Vince and Stephanie think she can still draw money after going down in 48 seconds of flames. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/15 "2016-12-31T18:01:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > She tried to put on a badass face but you could still see uncertainty and lack of confidence in her eyes. I’m thinking she was pretty much defeated before she ever got into the cage. That’s an accurate assessment IMO. I’m not an MMA or even a fight aficionado, but even though she was trying to put on a fierce face, just by her body language and tentative posture you could tell she was intimidated from the get go. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/16 "2016-12-31T18:11:56Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Granted I am no expert, but it actually seems sort of the opposite. She seems game enough, but doesn’t have the complete package of skills. ‘Heart of a champion’ won’t get you very far if you have an achilles heel. This is pretty much spot on. She was a judo champion and went undefeated and became female MMA’s first superstar – she clearly had the heart to become a champion. The problem was that, just like male MMA fighters evolved and learn to deal with Gracie jiu-jitsu in the late 1990s, female MMA fighters learned to counter Rousey’s judo skills. Female MMA has evolved a lot in the past few years and we’re beginning to see more and more fighters who are really well-rounded. The sport that Rousey once owned has now passed her by. This fight reminded me of Matt Hughes vs Royce Gracie not so much in terms of styles but in terms of the ultimate outcome and symbolic significance. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/17 "2017-01-01T01:02:26Z")
Yeah, the big thing is Rousey basically built the women’s MMA into a serious sport. Now, I’ve been watching this sport since it _before_ John McCain helped get it banned in 48 states in the 90s, and I’m well aware there are a few really great female fighters that came before Rousey, but for most of MMA’s history there was just so little money or interest in the female fighters that it didn’t attract great talent. I think Rousey changed that, and unfortunately for her she didn’t do the sort of hard core retooling of her game that would’ve been necessary to stay competitive. The woman that beat her last night _has done just that_, Amanda Nunes has 4 losses in her career, largely because she had serious weaknesses in her game a few years ago, she’s spent a lot of time in her camps filling in her holes. This is entirely very similar to what’s happened in men’s MMA. The genesis of the sport was a harebrained idea of “let’s have fighters from many different disciplines face off against one another and see who wins.” Early on basically Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and to a lesser extend other grappling arts like Judo and Greco-Roman/Freestyle wrestlers had a huge advantage, BJJ had the biggest of all, so very quickly all the MMA gyms became BJJ gyms. As the sport matured you had guys from stronger striking backgrounds decide to try and find ways competitive, and they started really perfecting the art of take down defense. From there it was no longer enough just to be a great grappler in men’s MMA, because you’re likely to run into a guy you may have trouble taking down and if you’re purely a grappler you’ll get fucked up fast and hard in a stand up situation with a striker. So then men’s MMA fighters basically realized there is no one answer, MMA is about being a jack of all trades. Men’s fighting gyms and their “camps” focus on usually boxing training, then other striking training (kickboxing, elbow strikes, knee strikes), take downs, take down defense, ground grappling, and submissions. No one male fighter is great at all of these, but any of them who are looking to be seriously competitive in the sport in 2016 have some level of competence in all of those things. Women’s MMA has basically caught up now, and Amanda Nunes is one of the first female fighters to have really bought into being multi-dimensional. Miesha Tate is like a little less successful Rousey, she was more of a grappling/submission artist. Holly Holm was a pure boxer who learned just enough take down defense (and also key, in their fight Holm got a few strong punches on Rousey early–if you’re bad at boxing and don’t know how to take or at least partially block punches, full contact punches from a boxer immediately degrade everything you do, because you’re basically fucked up from being hit in the head), but Holly’s grappling and takedown defense really wasn’t that good, thus why she lost to Miesha Tate. Miesha Tate ran into Nunes who basically has worked for years to be good in all phases of her game. Nunes probably will have some tough fights in the next few years, far tougher than Rousey did, because she’s champion of a much tougher division with more well rounded up-and-coming fighters. I don’t think Rousey is unskilled or lacks heart, I think she just was so successful with her old way of fighting and got so rich doing it, she wasn’t mentally invested in doing what she needed to do to become a new age fighter. At age 29 and with the wealth she has already accrued, it’s easy to understand why she’s not in a great place to retool herself. Amanda Nunes has been a work in progress for about 4 years, four years ago Rousey was a goddess and wasn’t even thinking about refining her overall game. It’s no surprising that one year away wasn’t enough time to fix Rousey’s game. Particularly because of her high status, she wasn’t going to come back to fight a mid-carder (which is probably what she’d have needed if she wanted to truly make a comeback), she was going to fight the champion. If Rousey was interested in fighting 3-4 more years she should’ve come back fighting a lower tier champion to work in the octagon the skills aside from grappling and submission that she’s likely been working on for a year–and it’d be 2-3 _more_ years before Rousey could hope to be dominant like she was ever again, and at that point she’d be nearing the age when a lot of fighters start to show the signs of age. So basically Rousey has had her time, and it’d have been really hard for anyone in her position to have done things all that much differently to stay competitive for a few more years. Financially it isn’t likely the incentive to do that exists, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/18 "2017-01-01T02:17:57Z")
I’d love to see Rousey retire from MMA and get back into competitive Judo. She still needs that Gold medal. Bronze is nice but it’s third place. Maybe she could compete in 2020. Is judo a sport where people in their thirties still compete? I’m not sure. Meanwhile she can make her money in commercials and acting. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/19 "2017-01-01T06:22:55Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’d love to see Rousey retire from MMA and get back into competitive Judo. She still needs that Gold medal. Bronze is nice but it’s third place. Maybe she could compete in 2020. Is judo a sport where people in their thirties still compete? I’m not sure. > Meanwhile she can make her money in commercials and acting. Not sure who’s going to hire her after the brutal whippings she’s taken lately. ---
**Author:** ![Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backwater_Under_Duck)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954/20 "2017-01-02T02:35:55Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Not sure who’s going to hire her after the brutal whippings she’s taken lately. Afflac? 🆒 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-rhonda-rousey-had-a-good-night-she-got-tkod-in-48-secs-but-made-62-500-per-second/775954.md?page=2)