# Well, that didn't last long.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [November 28, 2001, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748 "2001-11-28T18:14:43Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/1 "2001-11-28T18:14:43Z")
So, this morning right after breakfast I went over to the MSC to check my mail. Lucky me, my folks sent me a care package consisting of perhaps _2 pounds_ of that luscious Ghiradelli chocolate.
Moving at a speed that would put The Flash™ to shame, I ran up to my room, stuck it in our little fridge, and informed my Ol’ Lady (roommate to you non-Aggies) to help himself if he wants.
We’re both gluttonous bastards, and being in the Corps of Cadets here has allowed us to appear skinnyer (more skinny?) than we would be. Plus, that amount of Ghiradelli was intended to be shared with him anywho.
After sticking it in the fridge, I leave for my morning classes, coming back around 11:30 or so.
It’s gone. All gone.
You see, I had forgotten one of the cardinal rules for Buddies(fellow classmates in your outfit). “Whenever a buddy gets a care package, food radar goes on high alert.”
Because we’re more or less a extended family, it’s not uncommon for us to casually walk in and nip a coke if you yourself is all out. And vice versa.
Still, I was completely knocked on the floor by this.
All that Lucious Ghiradelli™ gone? That’s been a family tradition since we lived in San Francisco! And I didn’t even get a bite…
I have no doubt that my Ol’ Lady is innocent of wrongdoing. More likely a buddy (or several) came in looking for a coke, and found Ghiradelli.
So hear me out, you bastards! I’m going to find who you are and punish you! Do you hear me? Punish you!
I don’t have a slew of _liberated_ “This vehicle marked for towing” stickers from the Traffic Cops for nothing.
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### Author:  [@Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bad_News_Baboon)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/2 "2001-11-28T19:31:55Z")
It’s exlax in a Ghiradelli wrapper time, me thinks.
after warning the ol lady, of course. 🙂
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### Author:  [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/3 "2001-11-28T19:51:19Z")
Why don’t you just line up all the freshmen and beat them with sticks until they confess or start bleeding?
I hear it’s an old tradition down there.
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/4 "2001-11-28T20:07:07Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
> \*\*Why don’t you just line up all the freshmen and beat them with sticks until they confess or start bleeding?
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> I hear it’s an old tradition down there. \*\*
:rolleyes:
Nah, it’s unlikely they just waltzed into a Sophomores room without asking.
'Sides we need them in one piece for the Motivational run we’re giving them 4:00 am Friday morning.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/5 "2001-11-28T22:52:35Z")
Sorry, no sympathy - you got good chocolate, and you didn’t hide it?!? What, exactly, were you thinking? I guess you learned your lesson, young man. Goodies are not for sharing; they are for HIDING.
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/6 "2001-11-28T23:07:42Z")
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> \*Originally posted by featherlou \*
> \*\*Sorry, no sympathy - you got good chocolate, and you didn’t hide it?!? What, exactly, were you thinking? I guess you learned your lesson, young man. Goodies are not for sharing; they are for HIDING. \*\*
I guess I underestimated **The Temptation** ™. Ah well, the perps have been found out. Judging from oon of the perp’s old lady laughing his balls off in the next room, I guess they’ve also discovered justice has been done.
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### Author:  [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/7 "2001-11-28T23:18:41Z")
How, exactly, was justice Doled out to these lecherous creatures? Do tell, do tell…
Sam
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### Author:  [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/8 "2001-11-28T23:29:26Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
> \*\*Why don’t you just line up all the freshmen and beat them with sticks until they confess or start bleeding?
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> I hear it’s an old tradition down there. \*\*
Naw, you gotta stop when they cry.
Could this be the beginning of an **dalovindj/Esprix or Scylla/Stoid** grudge? I’m all atwitter.
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/9 "2001-11-28T23:47:27Z")
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> \*Originally posted by GaWd \*
> \*\*How, exactly, was justice Doled out to these lecherous creatures? Do tell, do tell…
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> Sam \*\*
Last year when I was a worthless freshman™ I came across a packet of (legit) “This vehicle marked for towing” stickers that the Traffic Gestapo uses.
I kept this a secret with only me,my roommate, one of my other Buddies, and a Civilian friend. Only used it on Upperclassmen who were acting bigger asses than usual. Great fun with it.
Said perps don’t have any knowledge of them. This afternoon I ran out and stuck 'em on their cars. About half an hour ago, a spate of swearing in the next room over (walls are paper thin here) confirmed he just got a phone call from the Traffic Gestapo.
As for **Jarbabyj** , She has long held a hatred and disdain of me and the Orginization I belong to, ever since a poorly worded post on my part. But hey, no one is pointing a gun at her head and telling her to trust facts, not rumors of hazing. I don’t even know where she pulled out that “beat the Freshmen with sticks” bit.
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2001, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/10 "2001-11-28T23:51:32Z")
Boy howdy, I should have previewed.
Three screw ups with capital letters in the second segment.
And misspelled “Organization”.
Man, do I have crappy writing mechanics.
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### Author:  [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/11 "2001-11-29T14:50:26Z")
I’m sorry your chocolate was eaten. It’s a fate belonging to no one.
However, Do you or do you not put freshmen through a hazing process? Did you or did you not make a freshman cry? Did you or did you not call a fellow human being “worthless” two or three posts up?
I only bear a grudge because my honorary in college was reprimanded and almost disbanded because we put a fucking blindfold on someone during initiation.
I guess if it’s Ol Aggie related it’s OK, but if it’s theatre people, it’s abhorrent.
carry on.
p.s. Space Ghost? I haven’t even thought of you ONCE until yesterday. So the “long standing hatred” is of your own creation.
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### Author:  [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/12 "2001-11-29T15:47:09Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
> \*\*p.s. Space Ghost? I haven’t even thought of you ONCE until yesterday. So the “long standing hatred” is of your own creation. \*\*
Well couldn’t you just develop a loathing for him, just to make him happy? Seems to me like that’d be the decent thing to do.
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/13 "2001-11-29T18:07:40Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
> \*\*I’m sorry your chocolate was eaten. It’s a fate belonging to no one.
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> However, Do you or do you not put freshmen through a hazing process? Did you or did you not make a freshman cry? Did you or did you not call a fellow human being “worthless” two or three posts up?
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I would dispute whether we actually “Haze” someone, the most we’ve ever done is made the freshman do an inhumanly large amount pyhsical exercises after five of 'em came back one weekend with under-age drinking citations. Kinda shot our outfit’s chance for getting a award in the head, right there.
No Blindfolds/beatings, sorry. They have to memorize stupid stuff, and keep their rooms spotless, but that’s pretty much the extant of it.
After considerable observation of fish “Jones”, we’ve can to the conclusion that the tear-up came from trying to hold back from smiling/laughing. And he smiles/laughs alot when he’s not suppose. (While his classmate is getting chewed out is not the best time to burst out laughing)
So, don’t worry. It was through a lack of respect of me the tears started flowin’.
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> carry on.
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> p.s. Space Ghost? I haven’t even thought of you ONCE until yesterday. So the “long standing hatred” is of your own creation.
Then the mistake is mine, and I apologize. I guess the “long standing” comment was a bit arrogant of me. 😉
**Gary Kumquat**
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> Well couldn’t you just develop a loathing for him, just to make him happy? Seems to me like that’d be the decent thing to do.
I’ll live. I got 17 people who have loathed me since mid-August or so. And probaly will continue to do so until spring 2004.
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### Author:  [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/14 "2001-11-29T18:21:30Z")
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> \*Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis \*
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> I would dispute whether we actually “Haze” someone, the most we’ve ever done is made the freshman do an inhumanly large amount pyhsical exercises after five of 'em came back one weekend with under-age drinking citations.
From [Stophazing.org](http://Stophazing.org):
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> “Any action taken or situation created, intentionally, …to produce mental or physical discomfort, embarrassment, harassment, or ridicule. Such activities may include but are not limited to the following: use of alcohol; paddling in any form; **creation of excessive fatigue** ; physical and psychological shocks; quests, treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, road trips or any other such activities carried on outside or inside of the confines of the chapter house; wearing of public apparel which is conspicuous and not normally in good taste; engaging in public stunts and buffoonery; **morally degrading or humiliating games and activities** …”
bolding mine. Did they want to do that labor? And are you deputized by the police department to mandate it? If not, you were hazing them.
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> I’ll live. I got 17 people who have loathed me since mid-August or so. And probaly will continue to do so until spring 2004.
You must be real proud.
jar
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### Author:  [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/15 "2001-11-29T19:09:01Z")
SGA, just what do you think “Institute of _Higher_ Learning” is a reference to?
Why college-age students think sadism will garner them the respect of their peers is beyond be.
And to find your culprit just look for the zit with legs bouncing off the wall. 2 _pounds_ of chocolate? That’s going to be one ugly dump.
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/16 "2001-11-29T19:24:09Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
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> bolding mine. Did they want to do that labor? And are you deputized by the police department to mandate it? If not, you were hazing them.
> \*\*
In the case of the Corps of Cadets, the Bryan-Collegestation Police do two things;
1. Issue a citation for underage drinking, and
2. Calls the CO of the Outfit the cadet belongs to, for several reasons, top on the list that he ensures it doesn’t happen again.
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> You must be real proud.
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> jar
No, not really. In fact, it sucks big time. But I don’t lose any sleep over it.
**Lieu**
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> Why college-age students think sadism will garner them the respect of their peers is beyond be.
Hope you include the Service Acadamies in your definition of sadism, 'cause we do less things than they do.
Already found the culprits, and they have been dealt with. What really pissed me off was that no one left a note saying “Hey IOU some chocolate-Wyatt”, which is generally what one’s buddies do if they swipe a Coke/printer paper/pen.
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### Author:  [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/17 "2001-11-29T19:34:29Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \*
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> > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
> > \*\*p.s. Space Ghost? I haven’t even thought of you ONCE until yesterday. So the “long standing hatred” is of your own creation. \*\*
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> Well couldn’t you just develop a loathing for him, just to make him happy? Seems to me like that’d be the decent thing to do. \*\*
A _pity_ loathe? That’s just sad, man. What would that do to poor **Ghost’s** self-esteem.
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### Author:  [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/18 "2001-11-29T19:37:33Z")
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> \*Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis \*
> Hope you include the Service Acadamies in your definition of sadism, 'cause we do less things than they do.
And as we all know, 51,000 wrongs make a right.
jar
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/19 "2001-11-29T19:47:14Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
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> > \*Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis \*
> > Hope you include the Service Acadamies in your definition of sadism, 'cause we do less things than they do.
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> And as we all know, 51,000 wrongs make a right.
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> jar \*\*
In this case, it sort of does make a right. The reasoning behind making a cadet do extraordinary amounts of physical training is to instill both discipline and teamwork. It is **not** typically done out of some feeling of sadism. Within the service academies, the first year consists of what you would call extreme hazing. This is in no way correct. Being made to memorize things such as the entire front page of a paper, having to know the amount of seconds until graduation or knowing huge passages of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, teaches a cadet to think quickly and remember details more acurately.
When it comes to physical training to excess, you will find with a bit of research that it is rarely, if ever, directed solely at one lone individual. In most cases, if a cadet screws up badly enough to warrant excess PT, then his/her squad will also be there performing the same thing. Believe it or not, this does instill a sense of brotherhood and teamwork.
Granted, there have been some widely publicized reports of actual hazing against cadets, most recently when the first women cadets were let into the academies. Do a search for others though and compare it to hazing such as most college fraternities do and see how they compare.
No offense, but as someone who spent 10 years in the Army and would have stayed for 30 were it not for injuries during Desert Storm, I take exception to someone acusing the academies of hazing just for the hell of it.
Believe it or not, scenes from movies such as Officer and a Gentleman and the like are completely false. There is absolutely no way that a person in charge of training would be allowed to get away with actual physical abuse.
Xploder
Minimal College Training
Maximal Military Training
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### Author:  [@tevya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tevya)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2001, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/20 "2001-11-29T19:50:29Z")
Wow **jarbaby**. You seem to be coming off kind of harsh on **SpaceGhost**.
Did I miss a fight in another thread? If so, can I have a link? Is it a thread that is related in such a way that it is appropriate to drag the fight into this thread (assuming the answer to the 2nd question is yes)?
Also you said: “Did you or did you not call a fellow human being “worthless” two or three posts up?” Isn’t this the pit? Haven’t you yourself called fellow human beings many nasty things in the pit?
Am I getting terribly whooshed here?
Just for the record, I have nothing against you **jarbaby**. As a matter of fact, I like your posts a lot and you seem like a neat lady. You just seem to be coming across a bit harsh here. It _looks_ like you are holding some kind of grudge. Of course I may not have all of the facts. This is not an attack but an honest observation and request for more information.
[sub] I’m ashamed to admit that I’m a bit nervous posting this. I may alienate all of the people who love **jarbaby** on this board. Please don’t beat me up![/sub]
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