# Well, that didn't last long. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2001, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748 "2001-11-28T18:14:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/21 "2001-11-29T20:01:56Z")
Please visit this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84039](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84039) where we hear SpaceGhost call freshmen Dumbass Fish and makes them CRY because they were looking him in the eye or some such crap. And Xploder, I still think it’s hazing whether it’s done in the honorable military or not, and I still fail to see how calling people worthless Dumbasses builds their confidence and self esteem to make them better, stronger people in the long run. And I would NEVER, EVER have respect for someone who demanded it of me on threat of humiliation or forced labor. I would be extra proud of someone who said “Hey, I’m going to treat these new students like human beings rather than meat, who’s with me?” Or would that get your ass kicked? jar ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/22 "2001-11-29T20:02:41Z")
tevya, You missed the thread in shich spaceboast bragged of a hazing ritual in which he took part in making a lowerclassman weep. The kid needs some jail time, if not severe psychological help. ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/23 "2001-11-29T20:08:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tevya \* > \*\*Wow **jarbaby**. You seem to be coming off kind of harsh on **SpaceGhost**. > > Did I miss a fight in another thread? If so, can I have a link? Is it a thread that is related in such a way that it is appropriate to drag the fight into this thread (assuming the answer to the 2nd question is yes)? > > Also you said: “Did you or did you not call a fellow human being “worthless” two or three posts up?” Isn’t this the pit? Haven’t you yourself called fellow human beings many nasty things in the pit? > > Am I getting terribly whooshed here? > > Just for the record, I have nothing against you **jarbaby**. As a matter of fact, I like your posts a lot and you seem like a neat lady. You just seem to be coming across a bit harsh here. It _looks_ like you are holding some kind of grudge. Of course I may not have all of the facts. This is not an attack but an honest observation and request for more information. > > [sub] I’m ashamed to admit that I’m a bit nervous posting this. I may alienate all of the people who love **jarbaby** on this board. Please don’t beat me up![/sub] \*\* Let me see If I can’t explain what happened in an unbiased way. During my first week back at the TAMU Corps of Cadets as a sophomore, a poorly worded thread on my part that was expressing my intial glee being a sophomore. (A “Pisshead” in Aggiespeak) I was wrong to both feel glee in being an asshole, and to post the event in such a way as to show me feeling glee in being an asshole. Indeed, being a sophomore sucks in lot of ways. it isn’t fun being an asshole. However, what really cause the trouble was the argument over what the definition of “hazing” was, and whether I was an asshole to partake in **Jarbaby** ’s (among other’s) definition. I stand by my previous assertation that we do not commit acts of hazing here. Every freshman coming into the Corps knows that the fish year is a hard, crappy year. Every freshman who stuck it out the first year is happy he did. He’s in better shape, hopefully has better grades than he would have (mandatory studytime in the evenings), and has a sense of family with his “Buddies” that he wouldn’t have with civilian friends. We have never, ever inflicted bodily harm on members of our outfit. Just as it would be wrong for family members to beat on others, it’s wrong for members of the Corps to do so to freshmen. I’m too lazy to search for the relavent threads right now, but they are out there… ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/24 "2001-11-29T20:11:10Z")
Damn simulpost. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/25 "2001-11-29T20:18:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis \* > > However, what really cause the trouble was the argument over what the definition of “hazing” was, and whether I was an asshole to partake in **Jarbaby** ’s (among other’s) definition. I’ve never written a definition of hazing, I provided it for you from [stophazing.org](http://stophazing.org). Stop by sometime. > [@](#): > > Every freshman coming into the Corps knows that the fish year is a hard, crappy year. And so why not make it harder by calling them a dumbass for looking at you wrong?! Freshman year had me crying almost every day in college, I was away from my parents in a state I’d never been in, I had very few friends…you know how I got through it? People were nice to me. Think about it sometime. > [@](#): > > Every freshman who stuck it out the first year is happy he did. I venture to say that everyone who gets out of prison alive is happy they did. And do you think that perhaps part of their joy at finishing freshman year is the promise that they can treat others like shit in a few short months? All I’m saying SpaceGhost is that I bet you’re an engaging and smart enough guy to get people to respect and befriend you without being emotionally violent to them. jar ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/26 "2001-11-29T20:18:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*And Xploder, I still think it’s hazing whether it’s done in the honorable military or not, and I still fail to see how calling people worthless Dumbasses builds their confidence and self esteem to make them better, stronger people in the long run. > > And I would NEVER, EVER have respect for someone who demanded it of me on threat of humiliation or forced labor. > > I would be extra proud of someone who said “Hey, I’m going to treat these new students like human beings rather than meat, who’s with me?” > > Or would that get your ass kicked? > > jar \*\* No problem at all. You, of course, are always entitled to your own opinion on whatever subject you choose. As fas as being called “dumbass”, I can most **definitely** assure you that I was called far worse during basic training in both the Army and the Navy. It doesn’t mean anything at all. What it’s used for, in the military anyway, is to let a person know, in no uncertain terms, that they have fucked up royally. Also, whether you believe it or not, being forced to do physical training, **in the service academies** is a part of the curriculum. The whole reasoning behind massive amounts of physical training, **in the service academies** is, as I said before, to instill a sense of teamwork in the cadet. Being made to memorize inordinate amounts of text or having to know the remaining seconds until graduation or whatever teaches the recruit to **use** his/her brain at all times. Not only that but it also trains a person to think more clearly. After all, if you have to memorize, say, 25 pages of text as well as the third page of a local paper **and** still be able to answer any and all questions put to you by an upperclassman, (who also had to go through all this stuff), then you are most definitely going to learn to be very quick on your mental toes. Apropos of not much of anything, I had to know the nomenclature of every weapon that a Military Police company would use in combat. This included .38’s, .45’s, 9mm’s, shotguns, m16’s both a1 and a2, m60 lmg’s, m19 grenade launchers, m2 hmg’s, grenades, ammunition, mounts, teargas, etc… If I had \*\*not been forced during basic to think extremely quickly, I would never have been able to do it. Not only was armorer not my normal job, but I was a generator mechanic that also worked on vehicles. Since they **did** make me the armorer and sent me to school down in Vilseck for it, I had to learn all this stuff. So you see, what you call hazing, actually **does** make military sense. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/27 "2001-11-29T20:22:01Z")
ARGHHHHHH!!! Sorry…forgot, yet again, to preview… ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/28 "2001-11-29T20:31:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Xploder \* > It doesn’t mean anything at all. What it’s used for, in the military anyway, is to let a person know, in no uncertain terms, that they have fucked up royally. Here’s where we get cloudy. I guess I’ve never considered LOOKING SOMEONE IN THE EYE fucking up royally. jar ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/29 "2001-11-29T20:34:13Z")
Non-reg. Class of '92. OCA. I’m not going to defend the absurdity of the Corps. I cannot understand why people would put themselves through such torment. I was Non-reg. for the simple fact that my attitude would have gotten me expelled. However, as **SpaceGhost** points out, all new Cadets know what they are facing when they go in. Many are following in Dad’s footsteps. They do it willingly and, in most cases, proudly. In fact the Fish and Pissheads they are the most arrogant SOBs on campus. They are free to Punch-Out at any time if they feel the demands are too harsh, or too asinine. **Jarbabyj** , I think you are over-reacting to the situation. Yes, you can consider it hazing. However, in this case, it is much more regulated and controlled than in typical Fraternity Hazing. For instance, you won’t find anyone forced to drink an excessive or even fatal amount of alcohol. I think you’re wasting too much of your vitriolic talents here. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/30 "2001-11-29T20:44:17Z")
I’m not gonna be the one to defend hazing, but the [stophazing.org](http://stophazing.org) defition seems to be a touch on the broad side. I know this is twisting both the words and the intent, but by that definition, my college curriculum counts as hazing. Lots of physical and mental discomfort, namely countless hours of working, the constant chance for ridicule when called on in class, etc. and etc. The fact is, I agreed to it and hence consented to it at least tacitly. As far as I am concerned, forcing kids to do dangerous and truly self-destructive acts, like walking into an electrified pool, count as hazing. These stupidities are in the process of being eradicated nationwide. Four letter words and some vigorous exercise seems mild enough to slip beneath my radar. Kids want to be part of the group, so they gotta take the knocks. I wanted a double major and a decent GPA, so I was in the library Friday nights. After all, careful doses of pain and humiliation make excellent teachers _for some people-_. If you’re not one of them, don’t join a frat. ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/31 "2001-11-29T20:50:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \ > > And so why not make it harder by calling them a dumbass for looking at you wrong?! Freshman year had me crying almost every day in college, I was away from my parents in a state I’d never been in, I had very few friends…you know how I got through it? People were nice to me. Now hold on here **Jarbabyj** , I don’t think I’ve ever called a freshman “Dumbass”. I simply referred to him as “Dumbass” in the thread to protect the innocent. Much how I am now refering to him as “fish Jones” for your viewing enjoyment. And believe me, we do \*not" treat them as meat, we do treat them as people. People who are refered to as “fish \” but people none the less. Besides, these freshmen are bigger friends with each other than I ever would be. Just as I am bigger friends with my sophomore buddies than I ever will be with the Juniors and Seniors. > [@](#): > > Think about it sometime. Gotcha. I’ll think about it next time a freshman fucks up a exam because he was farting around instead doingwhat he was suppose to in CQ (mandatory studytime) > [@](#): > > I venture to say that everyone who gets out of prison alive is happy they did. And do you think that perhaps part of their joy at finishing freshman year is the promise that they can treat others like shit in a few short months? Part of the joy of finishing the fish year is when your sophomores walks up to you and says “Watcha Momma call you?” (what’s your first name?) And you get to know your upperclassmen as people, not “that asshole who’s making me do push-ups for something I/my buddy screwed up on big time”. While it does seem “nice” at the begining of the Sophomore year, being an asshole weres thin quick. Like, less than a week in. > [@](#): > > All I’m saying SpaceGhost is that I bet you’re an engaging and smart enough guy to get people to respect and befriend you without being emotionally violent to them. > > jar Same with my upperclassmen. You can’t imagine the agony on not being able to shoot the shit with a clear fellow trekkie (my Assisstant Squad Leader had Star Trek Crap all over his room; I’m the only Sci-fi nut in my class year.). In Texas where everyone likes football, it gets annoying rapidly. But I still have to be emotionally cool to the fish, as my sophomores were last year. They (the fish) know that we have to be cold-hearted sunzabitches, and we’d rather be nice because acting like assholes takes up our time too. The Juniors and Seniors interact with the Freshmen on a much more personal level (“Good Bull”), and usually they tell us when to pull back, whenever a freshman thinks we’re singling him out personally, etc. In which case, usually a Game of Mudfootball is in order, to remind them that we aren’t assholes all the time. Just when we can’t have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/32 "2001-11-29T20:55:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Xploder \* > > It doesn’t mean anything at all. What it’s used for, in the military anyway, is to let a person know, in no uncertain terms, that they have fucked up royally. > > Here’s where we get cloudy. > > I guess I’ve never considered LOOKING SOMEONE IN THE EYE fucking up royally. > > jar \*\* To uncloud at least this part of it, what I said, again, was, **IN THE MILITARY**. I believe that the Corps of Cadets runs along some sort of military guidelines while not being one of the service academies per se, therefore they had better damn well follow the guidelines as they are spelled out. What’s your beef here anyway? The fact that SGA called someone a dumbass? I seem to recall him apologizing earlier in this very thread. Take note also, the people that are in the Corps **and** in the service academies are there by choice and choice alone. All they have to do is say “I quit” and all the bad things will be done and over with. > [@](#): > > “Any action taken or situation created, intentionally, …to produce mental or physical discomfort, embarrassment, harassment, or ridicule. Such activities may include but are not limited to the following: use of alcohol; paddling in any form; creation of excessive fatigue; physical and psychological shocks; quests, treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, road trips or any other such activities carried on outside or inside of the confines of the chapter house; wearing of public apparel which is conspicuous and not normally in good taste; engaging in public stunts and buffoonery; morally degrading or humiliating games and activities…” If you look at this definition, you see that it does **not** apply as physical training is something that these people specifically knew about when they joined up. To try and apply this definition to the service academies is laughable in the extreme. I don’t know about anyone else, but I do **not** want to ever have to go into a combat situation unless my commander has the balls to lead me properly. You cut out what you call ‘hazing’ from the service academies and you end up with a bunch of pansy-ass officers that **nobody** will want to follow. Also, take a good look at special forces training sometime. Is that hazing to you also? After all, Navy SEAL training is absolutely **the** hardest training in the world. Want to talk about hell week? You might get a total of 7 hours of sleep in the entire week. If you’re very lucky that is. These men are trained to the point where doing a couple of hundred one-arm pushups at any time is nothing. I don’t have anything against you **jarbabyj** but comparing the service academies training to frat house hazing is, to me, the height of absurdity. ---
**Author:** ![tevya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tevya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tevya)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/33 "2001-11-29T21:02:48Z")
I did **not** mean to reopen the whole hazing debate. I just don’t understand why **jarbaby** seemed to be giving **SpaceGhost** a hard time. I don’t understand why she would come into a thread and make a harsh comment based on a 3 month old arguement. What in this OP referenced any type of hazing? Before anyone pulls out this sentence: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis_ > **So hear me out, you bastards! I’m going to find who you are and punish you! Do you hear me? Punish you!** Please note that it was immediatly followed by this sentence: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis_ > > **I don’t have a slew of _liberated_ “This vehicle marked for towing” stickers from the Traffic Cops for nothing** I don’t see any threat of hazing or physical punishement at all. Am I way out of line here? Is this how you would like to be treated **jarbaby**? Your “When Doper Relationships go bad” thread makes me think otherwise. Again, I’m not trying to attack you, **jarbaby**. I just think that you’re being too harsh and it seems inconsistent with what you have expressed in previous threads. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/34 "2001-11-29T22:24:14Z")
So, if I understand this correctly, people are going to this institution of higher learning to be treated like shit for a year, then treat others like shit for the next three years. Charmed, I’m sure. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/35 "2001-11-29T22:52:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*So, if I understand this correctly, people are going to this institution of higher learning to be treated like shit for a year, then treat others like shit for the next three years. > > Charmed, I’m sure. > > Esprix \*\* Actually there are more than 40,000 students at TAMU. There are only about 2000 in the Corps of Cadets. From their [website](http://corps.tamu.edu/about.asp): > [@](#): > > While Texas A&M is no longer an all-male military college, its Corps of Cadets remains the largest uniformed body of students in the nation outside the U.S. service academies. Currently, some 2,000 young men and women are Corps members. Those students have realized the Corps of Cadets offers them something extra; an opportunity to live a disciplined lifestyle while gaining practical experience in leadership and organizational management. Their participation in Corps operations allows them to hone these skills daily. There is still a contingent of former students and some current students who still lament the fact that the school is open to women and the Corps is not manditory. These folks sully the reputation of an otherwise excellent, if sometimes too conservative, school. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/36 "2001-11-29T22:56:27Z")
My impression of hazing in any form: Haze me, go ahead. When you’re picking your teeth out of your stool the next day, debate if it was worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/37 "2001-11-29T22:59:27Z")
I guess I should have thought some more before I hit submit. The conservative culture does show signs of improvement. Here are some organizations that are no more than 10 years old, but at least they exist: [http://glbt-pn.tamu.edu/](http://glbt-pn.tamu.edu/) [http://allies.tamu.edu/](http://allies.tamu.edu/) ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Baroo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/76d3ee/32.png) [@Billy\_Baroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Baroo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/38 "2001-11-29T23:00:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*So, if I understand this correctly, people are going to this institution of higher learning to be treated like shit for a year, then treat others like shit for the next three years. > > Charmed, I’m sure. > > Esprix \*\* Well, you don’t understand it correctly, but don’t let that stop you. 🙂 What hazing accomplishes is intense solidarity among the hazed. You may not realize it unless you’ve experienced it. Among the pledges, you have to organize feats such as kidnapping an active and keeping him for several hours before the other actives can rescue him. You come out of it feeling very connected to your fellow pledges. I assume this is some of the intent of military hazing. Also, only the sophmores act the assholes. The other upperclassmen are much less involved, and occasionally sympathetic. And our pledge rush lasted for less than one trimester, not a whole year. FWIW some of the hazing I received, which I recall fondly (those assholes were devious!): [ul] [li]Drink multiple rotgut whiskey shots with a fishball from the cafeteria.[/li][li]Carry a sponge in our breast pocket at all times to wipe up the beer that the actives would unfailingly spill when they saw us. Man was my nipple chapped.[/li][li]Wear a McDonald’s paper cap at all times.[/li][li]Hold push-up position while the other half of the pledge class dashes to the cafeteria to get food for us.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![tevya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tevya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tevya)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/39 "2001-11-29T23:00:58Z")
Can we get back to the topic at hand? Someone ate the man’s **chocolate** for god’s sake! The entire 2 lb. box! I think a moment of silence is in order. Wait a minute! Unless… Was eating the 2 lb. box of chocolates in one sitting the hazing ritual? You naughty boys! ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2001, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748/40 "2001-11-29T23:05:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Billy Baroo \* > [ul] > [li]Drink multiple rotgut whiskey shots with a fishball from the cafeteria.[/li][li]Carry a sponge in our breast pocket at all times to wipe up the beer that the actives would unfailingly spill when they saw us. Man was my nipple chapped.[/li][li]Wear a McDonald’s paper cap at all times.[/li][li]Hold push-up position while the other half of the pledge class dashes to the cafeteria to get food for us.[/li][/ul] ::stunned silence:: Jesus! We never do stuff like that! **Tevya** No, eating two pounds of cafeteria fishsticks is our hazing ritual of choice. [sub] just kidding[/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-last-long/95748.md?page=3)