# Well, that didn't take long - Sessions fired **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155 "2018-11-07T20:59:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/21 "2018-11-08T03:59:09Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > One of the reasons I’m not Sessions is that I’d have told Kelly he can’t fire me - he’s not my boss, and unless my boss, the President, communicates to me that Kelly’s now my boss and can fire me, well, he can just go suck it. As I’ve said before on this board, Trump has other people do his firing because if he were to do it in person, he’d be admitting to having made a mistake in hiring the person in the first place, and Trump is too proud of himself to admit such a thing. Wasn’t there a case many years ago where a cabinet secretary refused to resign and insisted the president couldn’t replace him? Or am I remembering a plot device from some novel? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/22 "2018-11-08T04:00:47Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > One thing I won’t miss is Session’s stance on marijuana. The [stock market apparently agrees with you](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/11/jeff-sessions-resignation-weed-stocks/575296/). > [@](#): > > Forced out by President Donald Trump, Sessions tendered his resignation as the attorney general on Wednesday afternoon, and his departure has signaled the fall of a major political roadblock to more widespread legalization. In response, stock prices for cannabis businesses have leapt. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/23 "2018-11-08T04:29:49Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > One thing I won’t miss is Session’s stance on marijuana. [Inconsolable Jeff Sessions Tries To Commit Suicide By Smoking Joint](https://politics.theonion.com/inconsolable-jeff-sessions-tries-to-commit-suicide-by-s-1826462420) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/24 "2018-11-08T04:57:21Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > So, if Whitaker shuts down or interferes with Mueller, what happens? The House or some department starts an obstruction of justice probe? I think you just start the Calliope again? > [@asahi](#): > > Time to sober up. Username Irony. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/25 "2018-11-08T06:01:51Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mueller hasn’t got the investigation sewn up. The report may already be printed and bound. I hope so anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/26 "2018-11-08T13:03:31Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > If Whitaker does shut down the Mueller investigation, I recommend immediate rioting, with possible lynching of Republicans from streetlamps. First you might try some good, old-fashioned protesting. You can search by zip code for protests near you here: [Rapid-Response Events | MoveOn.org](https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/) (you do not even have to sign-up if you do not want to be on their list…you can see the details without doing that…if you get on their list they will email you for other stuff including donations). They have already called for protests starting tonight at 5p locally across the country. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/27 "2018-11-08T13:05:43Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if Mueller hasn’t got the investigation sewn up. The report may already be printed and bound. I hope so anyway. Presumably the AG can make sure the report never sees the light of day. It’ll be almost two months before Dems take control of congress. You can be sure they will try kill the investigation as much as possible before that. ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/28 "2018-11-08T13:23:06Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Then they hire Robert Mueller to prepare a report on his findings and to continue with his investigations. They also start pursuing all the various subpoenas and contempt charges that Devin Nunes tried to bury. Then they incorporate the information from Donald’s taxes via the House Ways & Means committee. Then they spend the next two years broadcasting this stuff on national television, while stuffing up Donald’s budgets and other legislation. > > … you know we won the House last night, right? It’s a good outcome. It will have real consequences (speaking of). I don’t think you understand the American system of government if you think controlling the House is pointless. > > Dealing with this shit is going to take years but real progress has been made. > > Who benefits by having hysterics because we can’t solve all our troubles in one single night? I ask because the answer would not seem to be, “Democratic Americans doing the difficult work of actually dealing with our shit.” What happens if Mueller finds himself in a room with a bone saw? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/29 "2018-11-08T13:44:13Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > > The House starts a probe, and then…what? > > People, please, stop fucking deluding yourselves. The chance to deal with this shit was last night at the polls. We didn’t deal with it. These are the consequences. > > Time to sober up. and then…what? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/30 "2018-11-08T13:48:29Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > So, if Whitaker shuts down or interferes with Mueller, what happens? The House or some department starts an obstruction of justice probe? The House can convene a hearing and call Mueller to testify publicly about his findings. Question is how far his findings have gotten. Pelosi might also try to tell Trump she will forego a subpoena for his tax returns or somesuch. Maybe they could start their own investigation and hire Mueller? Dunno if they can do that. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/31 "2018-11-08T14:00:22Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > and then…what? :rolleyes: I know how you feel about **asahi** ’s pessimism, but… _If it is_ true that we are in a fighting retreat and have no real hope of actually _winning_ until the revolution comes, I reckon that would be valuable strategic information. I’m not saying that’s the case. But what I get from **asahi** is not so much despair as the idea that those who believe we can “right the ship” are fundamentally mistaken about the nature of the battle we are waging. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/32 "2018-11-08T14:15:01Z")
Yes, the House committee could hire Mueller (if he’s a free agent) to pursue their own select committee investigation. They could also subpoena all his records of his activities. They can subpoena Mueller and his team to testify about what they discovered. Also we know Mueller has been sharing his findings with other law enforcement agencies. Those agencies can continue acting on the info that Mueller & his team have accumulated plus they can supply their own material to to the committee. Mueller’s been at this almost 18 months. It’s too late to just throw some rugs over it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/33 "2018-11-08T14:18:27Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I know how you feel about **asahi** ’s pessimism, but… > > _If it is_ true that we are in a fighting retreat and have no real hope of actually _winning_ until the revolution comes, I reckon that would be valuable strategic information. > > I’m not saying that’s the case. But what I get from **asahi** is not so much despair as the idea that those who believe we can “right the ship” are fundamentally mistaken about the nature of the battle we are waging. OK, but if we are mistaken, then what _should_ we be doing, and why? I’m trying to figure out why it’s counterproductive to continue to work within the system, so to speak, to oppose the forces of Trumpism. I’m willing to concede that a good deal of it may wind up being a waste of time. (Though one of the problems is, we may not know for sure until we try.) But what’s the opportunity cost? What should we be doing _instead?_ ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/34 "2018-11-08T15:08:51Z")
Trump has the impulse and intentional control of a 5-year-old. It shouldn’t be that difficult to distract him into wasting much of the time he has left. Making him think that Hillary Obama is in favor of something should make him kneejerk into opposing it and vice versa. Congressional probes may not result in impeachment but they could find stuff that motivates more people to vote in 2020. They could also go after other Republicans, including appointees secretary-level and below who might squeal interesting things. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/35 "2018-11-08T16:12:10Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [Inconsolable Jeff Sessions Tries To Commit Suicide By Smoking Joint](https://politics.theonion.com/inconsolable-jeff-sessions-tries-to-commit-suicide-by-s-1826462420) That one went onto my FB. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/36 "2018-11-08T16:16:27Z")
Whitaker was only recently a [small-time](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/watch-trumps-new-attorney-general-shills-for-hot-tubs-on-behalf-of-infamous-scammers/) [scammer](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/07/matthew-whitaker-trump-attorney-general-us-firm). Only the best. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/37 "2018-11-08T16:34:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Some people might have to go to jail to defend democracy. Two thoughts 1. What illegal actions are you proposing that won’t just make matters worse? 2. You first. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/38 "2018-11-08T16:47:58Z")
If Trump was as bad as you guys think he is, he’d nominate Eric Holder and really stick it to the immigrants. Of course I don’t think cracking down on weed is as important to Trump as it was to Holder, Sessions, and Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/39 "2018-11-08T16:57:51Z")
What is next for Sessions? Wikipedia tells me that he turns 72 years old on Christmas Eve. Is it possible he would try to return to the Senate (AL) at 74 years old in 2020 or 76 years old in 2022? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155/40 "2018-11-08T17:10:43Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > What is next for Sessions? Wikipedia tells me that he turns 72 years old on Christmas Eve. Is it possible he would try to return to the Senate (AL) at 74 years old in 2020 or 76 years old in 2022? Given that 21 current Senators, or over one fifth of the Senate, are 74 years old or older (and 9 are over 80), I can’t see that as being a major obstacle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-didnt-take-long-sessions-fired/824155.md?page=3)