# Well, that sequel to the Pelosi Plane attack crashed and burned at take off. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2007, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563 "2007-02-16T22:35:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/1 "2007-02-16T22:35:39Z")
After the Pelosi plane nonsense: > **[Pelosi's Palatial Plane Preference: Piggishness or Republican Pablam?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=407598)** > > In surfing around the web I’ve seen much ado about Nancy Pelosi’s request for a larger plane. Hastert, as Speaker, was given use of Military C-20 after 9/11 in the interest of security. Pelosi now gets that plane. But she says that she needs a... The Republicans thought they had another fake issue to pass around: [http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/15/144955/943](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/15/144955/943) > [@](#): > > The Republican Study Committee just issued this press release: > > Speaker Pelosi’s New Blog Violates C-SPAN Copyright/Trademark of House Proceedings > Will the Speaker bring the gavel down on “the Gavel Blog?” > > As you may have heard, Speaker Nancy Pelosi launched a new blog entitled “The Gavel.” Though we applaud the Speaker’s effort to adapt to new technology, the blog violated copyright and trademark law on the very first day. > > Not once, not twice, but 16 times? > > As of noon today, the Speaker had posted at least 16 videos that are copyrighted > C-SPAN material from the House floor. The RSC spoke with C-SPAN today, who confirmed that these videos violate C-SPAN copyright/trademark of the House proceedings. > > Using C-Span for partisan purposes? > > In addition to using pirated material, Speaker Pelosi also has used the pirated C-SPAN footage for partisan purposes. The collection of C-SPAN footage used in her “first official blog” is an example and the other pirated C-SPAN trademarked material shows Democrat after Democrat offering their views of the non-binding Democrat resolution on the reinforcement and realignment of American troops in Iraq. > > Is the dignity and decorum of the House preserved by pirating copyrighted C-SPAN material for political purposes? > > If not, will the Speaker bring the gavel down on “the Gavel Blog?” Well piracy is indeed a serious charge! Only problem is that many that get their news on the web should already notice how brainless this latest attack was: > **[Chris Kinnan | Professional Site](https://www.chriskinnan.com/?p=34)** > > Application development, digital communities, and AWS > [@](#): > > Here’s the latest in this one-day tempest. Pretty embarrassing. I hope the RSC will focus on policy matters in its future attacks. > > UPDATE: C-SPAN Copyright/Trademark of House Proceedings > > Earlier today, the Republican Study Committee (RSC) released a document about the Speaker’s use of copyrighted/trademarked C-SPAN material on a Congressional website. The document was based upon a conversation that RSC staff had with Barry Katz, the Manager of C-SPAN Video Assets (and the employee identified as being directly responsible for answering questions to Congress about the use of C-SPAN material). > > Bruce Collins, the Corporate Vice President and General Counsel of C-SPAN, called post release and said that the information provided by the C-SPAN employee to the RSC was incorrect. > > Given this contradictory information, the RSC wanted to be the first set the record straight and withdraw the information included in the release. > **[One Local News](https://www.onelocalnews.com/)** > > One Local News was a A publication by the News One Publishing Group. If you were looking to set up your own local news website One Local News would help. This was their website. Content is from the site's 2006-2007 archived pages. > [@](#): > > The GOP took Pelosi to task because her new blog used video of this week‘s Iraq war debate, but then backtracked after learning C-SPAN had no copyright for the footage. > > … > > Not so, said C-SPAN spokeswoman Jennifer Moire. The videos on Pelosi‘s blog, called The Gavel, came from the House chamber, where the footage is shot by cameras owned by Congress, not C-SPAN. > > Dayspring retracted the release two hours after it went out, saying C-SPAN general counsel Bruce Collins had called the committee and said the information from the release was incorrect. > > Pelosi‘s spokesman, Brendan Daly, said the GOP committee‘s initial release was “another baseless attack by Republicans.” Memo to the Republicans in the Study Committee: You are supposed to show voters that they should have a reason to vote for you, showing everybody that a Republican committee like yours is wasting time when there are more serious matters at hand is beyond stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/2 "2007-02-16T22:54:47Z")
Their desperation is incredible. Are these grownups or 5 year-olds? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/3 "2007-02-16T23:01:57Z")
[QUOTE=GIGObuster] You are supposed to show voters that they should have a reason to vote for you, showing everybody that a Republican committee like yours is wasting time when there are more serious matters at hand is beyond stupid. [/QUOTE] So, you’re blaming the GOP Congresscritters because their spin machine isn’t doing their job? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/4 "2007-02-16T23:15:34Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] So, you’re blaming the GOP Congresscritters because their spin machine isn’t doing their job? -Joe [/QUOTE] Context, context. Spin is to be expected indeed, that is normal, the problem here is that lately their spin is painfully irrelevant to the matters at hand. Even if Republican or Democrat, I’m willing to put any politician’s feet in the fire if they, on top of being partisan, are also pressing for stupid points. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/5 "2007-02-16T23:40:13Z")
Any remaining sympathy I ever had for the Republican Party has pretty much vanished like the morning dew. I hope they keep doing things like this, not only for the entertainment value, but because eventually it will sink through even the thickest skulls that these people are the most base, vile, criminal group to ever seize the reins of power in this country, and that they all should be horse-whipped and driven into the desert to perish. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/6 "2007-02-17T00:11:59Z")
Much as I enjoy bashing republicans, and I do, this seems like a nonissue, particularly as they actually asked a spokesperson for CSPAN who gave them an incorrect answer, and then they apologized when they got the correct answer from CSPAN. The key question for me is whether this issue continues to be floated around and brought up by right wing bloggers, Fox, etc… as in “…after the controversies surrounding Pelosi’s plane and copyright questions concerning material on her blog…”. Anyone who does THAT is scum. As is, this seems like pretty small potatoes. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/7 "2007-02-17T00:18:54Z")
I wonder how many GoP Bloggers were using similar material at the time the press release was issued? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/8 "2007-02-17T00:27:39Z")
[QUOTE=MaxTheVool] Much as I enjoy bashing republicans, and I do, this seems like a nonissue, particularly as they actually asked a spokesperson for CSPAN who gave them an incorrect answer, and then they apologized when they got the correct answer from CSPAN. The key question for me is whether this issue continues to be floated around and brought up by right wing bloggers, Fox, etc… as in “…after the controversies surrounding Pelosi’s plane and copyright questions concerning material on her blog…”. Anyone who does THAT is scum. As is, this seems like pretty small potatoes. [/QUOTE] You are close on the mark, but after thinking a little bit about it, what it showed to me is the standard a “Republican Study Committee” has to base their releases: _use one source only_. I guess the basics of research is something they are ignorant of, and when one realizes these clowns had control of everything until recently… \*They also avoided looking for confirmation \* (the CSPAN big guy had to call and warn them) one then can see how they could be led into believing anything Bush says regarding the war. ---
**Author:** ![dgrdfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@dgrdfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgrdfd)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/9 "2007-02-17T00:34:23Z")
How much you want to bet Sean Hannity and Orly will have this ALL over their show tonight? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/10 "2007-02-17T01:11:41Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Any remaining sympathy I ever had for the Republican Party has pretty much vanished like the morning dew. [/QUOTE] I dunno. Unless the R **S** C reports directly to the chairman of the R **N** C who exercises immediate oversight on their activities, what you are basically looking at is one bunch of (probably) low level publicity flacks who got all excited about a replacement “scandal” and jumped without thinking. I guess if you want to hate a whole political party because it includes a few idiots in the machinery, you are free to do so, although you should then be prepared to fall on your sword if your own political party ever has an agent that acts with undue haste regarding a situation. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/11 "2007-02-17T01:13:53Z")
[QUOTE=dgrdfd] How much you want to bet Sean Hannity and Orly will have this ALL over their show tonight? [/QUOTE] Once the overlords pull something back, those right wingers usually follow too, but I do remember how even in a close call like this one, O’Reilly did show the standards he has: > **[Idiot Dad punches HS teacher for sexually harassing daughter - Only one...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=356040)** > > First we had this Now we have this And finally Back then some idiot radio stations declared someone father of the year because he punched a teacher’s aide that was accused of being a molester by his daughter. Turns out she made it all up, and in any case the father was wrong to do that, but never mind! O’Rilley wanted to shame liberals by showing how fathers that did some good old fashion vigilante justice were unfairly demonized by the left so he was going to be on, only that.. The day the segment aired in The O’Reilly Factor the school came with the video evidence that showed the teacher’s aide was innocent. Remembering the time line and how short the section was, I have to say that O’Reilly just dodged a pit thread just barely then. It seems that the contradictory evidence from the video was pointed to O’Reilly just before the show, I’m 100% sure it was going to be a show that would defend the Father’s actions, but O’Reilly showed a Cardinal Ximinez (Spanish inquisition) like disappointment by just reporting the latest information and just saying to the father that “you are welcome to come back” :dubious: and then O’Reilly said to Pat Campbell (The local Republican politician that was in the show because he was still a defender of the yahoo father) “follow the story and let us know how it turns out, **we don’t want to see anyone get hurt at all**.” Yep, teacher’s aides are made of rubber in O’Rilley’s world you know… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/12 "2007-02-17T01:23:41Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] I dunno. Unless the R **S** C reports directly to the chairman of the R **N** C who exercises immediate oversight… [/QUOTE] RNC [was all over the Pelosi Plane Thing](http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6788). Nothing at their website on this latest though. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/13 "2007-02-17T01:33:54Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] RNC [was all over the Pelosi Plane Thing](http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6788). Nothing at their website on this latest though. [/QUOTE] And I don’t think you will find it ever; however, unlike the Republicans, I did check that indeed they did release it and then pulled it out after a few hours (Still, the fact is that they did publish it). My last link in the OP is from a report by the Associated Press. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/14 "2007-02-17T02:11:19Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] RNC [was all over the Pelosi Plane Thing](http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6788). Nothing at their website on this latest though. [/QUOTE] True. (And some of their partisans are still trying to run with it, despite the White House intervention.) However, **silenus** appeared to have been more immediately inflamed on the issue of this incident. I don’t know that the R **S** C was involved with Pelosi’s plane (where there are still odd questions, even if the teacup has almost calmed). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/15 "2007-02-17T02:16:56Z")
**My** political party is the Libertarians. The lingering attachment to the Republicans is strictly from upbringing and disgust at the past history of the Democrats. If the Libertarians ever get organized enough to actually _have_ a viable party, then I’ll worry about stuff like this happening to them. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/16 "2007-02-17T02:22:32Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] True. (And some of their partisans are still trying to run with it, despite the White House intervention.) [/QUOTE] Say, have you seen that thread over in GD? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/17 "2007-02-17T03:50:23Z")
Does the RNC really think that people would be upset over Pelosi’s use of C-Span clips on her website? Talk about trying to manufacture outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/18 "2007-02-17T04:20:23Z")
Internet copyright violation as scandal fodder seems like kind of a reach to begin with. The Republican smear machine must be gnashing its collective teeth if that’s the most they can dredge up; Speaker Pelosi must truly be some kind of flawless angelic superbeing. What will next week’s headline reveal? ‘Pelosi makes rolling stop at intersection!’ ‘House Speaker purchases foreign-made goods!’ ‘Pelosi’s first name revealed as homosexual slur!’ ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/19 "2007-02-17T04:34:40Z")
[QUOTE=Frostillicus] Does the RNC really think that people would be upset over Pelosi’s use of C-Span clips on her website? Talk about trying to manufacture outrage. [/QUOTE] Cripes, a goodly chunk of their target audience doesn’t know what the hell C-Span is in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563/20 "2007-02-17T04:53:03Z")
[QUOTE=Frostillicus] Does the RNC really think that people would be upset over Pelosi’s use of C-Span clips on her website? [/QUOTE] Maybe it was this one: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o_lS9nwbQaM/hqdefault.jpg "Lewis Black on CSPAN") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_lS9nwbQaM) Not Safe For Work. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-that-sequel-to-the-pelosi-plane-attack-crashed-and-burned-at-take-off/392563.md?page=2)