# Well, that'll teach you to lie to the police **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 4, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414 "2012-01-04T19:22:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/81 "2012-01-07T02:47:52Z")
According to this article, she is back in the United States. Maybe we will get same answers. [http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mother-texas-teen-deported-1291641.html](http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mother-texas-teen-deported-1291641.html) the article is confusing. It says at one point she claimed to be a Colombian citizen. It also says she was working at a call center at one point in Colombia? It doesn’t sound like she made an effort to try to get back to the United States. It sounds like they tracked her to Columbia based on the IP address she used to post on Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/82 "2012-01-07T03:59:31Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > JahKAHdree-en is my vote. Sigh. I confess that I feel confident that the name is pronounced Juh-KAY-dree-en. I never met a Jakadrien, but I bet the rent I’m right. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/83 "2012-01-07T08:22:39Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Sigh. I confess that I feel confident that the name is pronounced Juh-KAY-dree-en. > > I never met a Jakadrien, but I bet the rent I’m right. You win. I was listening to the radio on the way home tonight and there was a story on her. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/84 "2012-01-07T10:35:22Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Whoa, whoa, whoa. First of all, you’re speaking about two entirely different branches of ICE. The people at the border work for CBP. They’re under DHS, not ICE. Entering the country is not “immigration”, which involved applying for visas, permits, and residency. That’s all under ICE, an entirely separate part of DHS. ICE has a subdivision called [ERO](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement#Enforcement_and_Removal_Operations_.28ERO.29). That’s who deports people. They’re two separate branches of ICE, but I wasn’t posting it as if they were the same process (the process for being kicked out once in-country is evidently not the same as the process for not being allowed in, even though you have perfectly-valid papers). I was posting it as an example of a case where someone doesn’t have access to a lawyer’s counsel or any of all those things we’re used to taking for granted after too many cop shows, unless he or she happens to be with friends who call their nearest consulate/embassy. ---
**Author:** ![Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunzio_Tavulari)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/85 "2012-01-07T18:02:56Z")
I hope someone check the fingerprints very carefully this time. All indications, including the girl, point to this person actually being Colombian. On the other side you have a distraught but aged grandmother who says, based on blurry pictures, that she is her runaway granddaughter. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/86 "2012-01-08T00:08:03Z")
Oh brother. From CNN: _Only once does the writer appear to cryptically allude to the journey that landed her in Colombia. That came on a July 28 Facebook post that reads, “I’m f **king tired I just want a f** king time machine, and rewind all the bull\*\*it I did wrong man OMG… I’m never going to be happy here.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/87 "2012-01-08T00:17:25Z")
> [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](#): > > I hope someone check the fingerprints very carefully this time. All indications, including the girl, point to this person actually being Colombian. On the other side you have a distraught but aged grandmother who says, based on blurry pictures, that she is her runaway granddaughter. Check fingerprints against what database? Do all children in the USA have their fingerprints on record? Do all people in Columbia have their fingerprints on record? I could see there being fingerprints if a person had been arrested, but barring that, I wouldn’t be suprised if a fingerprint check came up blank. When kids are reported missing to police in the USA, are their fingerprints lifted from items in their home and entered in a central database? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/88 "2012-01-08T01:04:29Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Check fingerprints against what database? Do all children in the USA have their fingerprints on record? Do all people in Columbia have their fingerprints on record? I could see there being fingerprints if a person had been arrested, but barring that, I wouldn’t be suprised if a fingerprint check came up blank. When kids are reported missing to police in the USA, are their fingerprints lifted from items in their home and entered in a central database? I would assume they fingerprinted her on the way out - I would just want them to be sure they get the same girl back - no trades! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/89 "2012-01-08T01:29:58Z")
My guess is that her family in the USA would have a fairly good idea as to whether or not the person returned to the USA is her or not – of course with some dysfunctional families that sort of thing might not be too certain . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/90 "2012-01-08T04:45:30Z")
> [@Earthworm\_Jim](#): > > Columbia. > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Columbia. > [@Muffin](#): > > Columbian > [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Columbia. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Columbia > [@grude](#): > > Columbians > [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > Columbia OK, people, all of you will copy 100 times in cursive: _Neither the capital of the United States of America nor a famous University in New York City are a Southern American country._ Some of you even got the spelling right half the time!:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/91 "2012-01-08T04:52:35Z")
Columbia has traditionally been how the name of the country was translated into English from the Spanish Colombia. It’s as acceptable as called Sverige Sweden or Polska Poland. I’m aware that it’s now considered better to use the Spanish name in English as well. But sue me, I’m fifty years old and it was Columbia when I went to school and that’s what I’m used to. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/92 "2012-01-08T06:29:15Z")
> [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](#): > > I hope someone check the fingerprints very carefully this time. All indications, including the girl, point to this person actually being Colombian. On the other side you have a distraught but aged grandmother who says, based on blurry pictures, that she is her runaway granddaughter. They apparently didn’t have fingerprints to [check](http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/07/us/texas-colombia-teen-profile/index.html) against. > [@](#): > > A U.S. immigration official – who was not able to speak for attribution, because the investigation is ongoing – said that that the girl then known as Tika Cortez waived her right to an immigration attorney and did not fight deportation proceedings. > > According to U.S. immigration officials, they’d never come across anyone by the name Tika Cortez. Her fingerprints did not match anyone in law enforcement databases, nor was there a match for the name Jakadrien Turner. And the background check “revealed no information to invalidate her claims,” the officials said. Either way. a few things bother me about this whole situation. One, people really need to get over this obsession with bashing the government (or corporations) for any real or reported mistake. Especially, when the “aggrieved party” is some [jackass](http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2010/04/02/acorn-pimp-video-lsquoseverely-editedrsquo.html) who deliberately lies to cause trouble, has a [dubious](http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/01/05/southwest-airlines-flies-sleeping-teen-to-wrong-city/) story and does nothing to correct the situation, or this case. There is little reason to blame ICE for this. How much effort should they go to to prove someone is lying about their background in order to RECEIVE a punishment? Honestly, most sane people would have zero motivation to do that. It’s doubly annoying that many of the same people bitching about how the government can’t be trusted will bitch even more when they deportation process slows to a crawl, and costs far more because they have to triple check that every person is not lying in order to get deported. Second, I am tired of shitty reporters and editors not subjecting their columns to a basic fucking smell test. It’s less dignified than gossip, and has basically no informative value. These people don’t even bother to ask basic fucking questions, and I, as a somewhat cynical reader, have to wonder if it’s because they don’t want to hear the answers for fear that they will lose their shocking headline. I doubt they will change, but I wish people would stop reacting to these fanciful stories without waiting for the facts to come out. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/93 "2012-01-08T06:42:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Columbia has traditionally been how the name of the country was translated into English from the Spanish Colombia. It’s as acceptable as called Sverige Sweden or Polska Poland. I’m aware that it’s now considered better to use the Spanish name in English as well. But sue me, I’m fifty years old and it was Columbia when I went to school and that’s what I’m used to. Fifty years old or one hundred and fifty, I’d be interested to see any published document spelling it with a U. [This map from 1828](http://www.encore-editions.com/antique-english-maps-map-0627003-jedidiah-and-sidney-e-morse-1828-south-america-and-british-isles-maximum-size-35-x-40) spells it with all Os. So does [this book](http://books.google.com/books?id=PQhaPsNJKoQC&pg=PA130&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false), (_Four Centuries of the Panama Canal_), published in 1906, which addressed the issue of wresting Panama from Colombia in order to get the canal made. (It’s likely, though, that local school teachers would misspell it, simply by confusing it with _British Columbia_, _District of Columbia_, and association with Christopher Columbus.) In any case, this isn’t a question of spelling it “the modern” way. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/94 "2012-01-08T08:45:31Z")
My persona belief is that she claimed to be from _Columbia House_ – the music service. Of course they immediately threw her out! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/95 "2012-01-08T09:21:20Z")
Why is it not spelled with a K the way Kanada is? ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/96 "2012-01-08T18:26:52Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > According to this article, she is back in the United States. Maybe we will get same answers. > > [http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mother-texas-teen-deported-1291641.html](http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mother-texas-teen-deported-1291641.html) From that article: > [@](#): > > Dallas Police detective **C’mon (pronounced Simone)** Wingo, the detective in charge of the case, said she was contacted in August by the girl’s grandmother, who said Jakadrien had posted “kind of disturbing” messages on a Facebook account where she goes by yet another name. In this thread people are debating the spelling of Colombia, but nobody commented on the detective named Come On who pronounces it Simone? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![phouka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@phouka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phouka)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/97 "2012-01-08T18:57:52Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > Do you have any evidence that the Colombian Government gives foreign governments access to their computer systems or even that such records are computerized? Try to keep up. There was an arrest warrant issued in the US for a Colombian woman, by name, with identifying features. This means that at one point, the woman was in custody, and anytime law enforcement takes someone into custody, they fingerprint them. All ICE had to do to verify the child’s claim would be to fingerprint her and compare those to the previously taken fingerprints. Depending on what jurisdiction the original arrest warrant was issued in, this might have taken 30 seconds or _maybe_ a day or two. There was never any need to check with Colombia. And, yes, strange as it may seem, I do think we ought to verify the identity of a person before we ship them off to another country - even if that person appears to be delighted to go. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/98 "2012-01-08T19:03:44Z")
> [@phouka](#): > > …There was an arrest warrant issued in the US for a Colombian woman, by name, with identifying features. This means that at one point, the woman was in custody, and anytime law enforcement takes someone into custody, they fingerprint them… It doesn’t mean that at all. Arrest warrants are issued all the time for people who have not previously been in custody. All it means is they got a name and description from somewhere or someone. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/99 "2012-01-08T20:10:12Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Why is it not spelled with a K the way Kanada is? In Spanish leet it often is: “k linda mi kolombia kerida!” (As my girlfriend would put it.) ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414/100 "2012-01-08T20:22:38Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > JahKAHdree-en is my vote. Assuming I’m reading it right, I also vote for ʒɐkɐdɹiɘn [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-thatll-teach-you-to-lie-to-the-police/608414.md?page=6)