# Well, the America is Christian" bigots were out in force Saturday **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 11, 2017, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674 "2017-06-11T08:40:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/221 "2017-06-18T15:52:44Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > **I can’t find any kind of cite for that tulsa OK death.** I just keep getting a return on a bank teller killed by four black youths in a normal bank robbery. Not saying it didn’t happen. > > And as for anti-gov, sovereign citizen assholes. Some of those dicks are so far right, they’ve come around left. If you know what i mean. If not avail yourselves of these skidmark’s youtube ticket encounters. “You can’t ticket me, I know my rights. West Virginia had no right to secede from Virginia so you legally can’t ticket me” > > I made up that argument but its exactly the kind of thing you’d see. [Guilty: Father and Son Convicted of Murder of Bank Security Guard](http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10594789/guilty-father-and-son-convicted-of-murder-of-bank-security-guard) > [@](#): > > he bank guard, Kenneth Anderson, 36, was killed May 24, 2004, during a foiled robbery attempt of the MidFirst Bank in Tulsa. > > Wade Lay, who is not an attorney but who is handling his own legal defense, testified Monday that the bank money was sought “to buy adequate weapons.” > > First Assistant District Attorney Doug Drummond said the father and son were “operating outside of reality” and had a “self-proclaimed mission to revenge Waco.” > > From the witness stand, Christopher Lay acknowledged Friday that he had compiled a list of people who he thought were responsible for the deaths of about 80 Branch Davidians, who died in 1993 in a fiery end to a 51-day standoff with law enforcement agents and federal officials in Waco, Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/222 "2017-06-18T15:54:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Guilty: Father and Son Convicted of Murder of Bank Security Guard](http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10594789/guilty-father-and-son-convicted-of-murder-of-bank-security-guard) Thanks RC! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/223 "2017-06-21T00:03:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > **SteveG1** , you left off the Bundy Ranch standoff (0 killed) and the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation (0 killed). While there were no deaths, violence was a huge part both situations. My bad, they should be in there too. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/224 "2017-06-21T22:41:43Z")
The usual scumbags are hollering about a civil war again (or yet). Alex Jones: “The first shots of the second American civil war have already been fired,” and it will be “unstoppable until they’re burning down all the cities.” Roger Stone: Robert Mueller’s investigation will “spark a civil war in this country.” Newt Gingrich: “We are in a clear-cut cultural civil war.” Pat Buchanan: The US is “approaching something of a civil war,” and it’s time for Trump to “burn down the Bastille.” Michael Savage: “There’s going to be a civil war.” Meanwhile, Ted Nugent is talking like ‘We Have Got to Be More Respectful of the Other Side’ and ‘I’m Not Going To Engage In Hateful Rhetoric Anymore’ That fucking draft dodging, pants shtting, gun waving, child screwing, shit talking war mongering motherfucker says it’s time to stop being mean. Fuck him and anyone that looks like him. After decades of his shit, he doesn’t get to turn it off just. like. that. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/225 "2017-06-21T22:45:27Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The usual scumbags are hollering about a civil war again (or yet). > Alex Jones: “The first shots of the second American civil war have already been fired,” and it will be “unstoppable until they’re burning down all the cities.” > > Roger Stone: Robert Mueller’s investigation will “spark a civil war in this country.” > > Newt Gingrich: “We are in a clear-cut cultural civil war.” > > Pat Buchanan: The US is “approaching something of a civil war,” and it’s time for Trump to “burn down the Bastille.” > > Michael Savage: “There’s going to be a civil war.” > > Meanwhile, Ted Nugent is talking like ‘We Have Got to Be More Respectful of the Other Side’ and ‘I’m Not Going To Engage In Hateful Rhetoric Anymore’ > That fucking draft dodging, pants shtting, gun waving, child screwing, shit talking war mongering motherfucker says it’s time to stop being mean. Fuck him and anyone that looks like him. After decades of his shit, he doesn’t get to turn it off just. like. that. I’m no fan of Ted Nugent, but finally shutting up would be awesome, if true. Yes, he should still be accountable for the previous bullshit, but turning it off just. like. that. is a great start! I wish all of those idiots would. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/226 "2017-06-22T05:24:33Z")
I’ll start by saying that I still don’t feel like I truly understand this movement’s problem with wrapping their heads around the 1st Amendment. Are they even sincere? Or are they playing dumb in a provocative way as a part of some other aim? I’m not sure I get it, even after one of them explained it to us in [A Ban On Muslims Is An Excellent Security Option](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a-ban-on-muslims-is-an-excellent-security-option/ar-BBCU7jq). But let’s not make this about me. Can you, dear reader, spot any missing links in the logic? 1 > [@](#): > > Theologically, a good Muslim’s allegiance is to Allah, and no other religion is accepted except Islam. I’m actually with him so far. Now, since Allah=Jehovah=YHWH (for some values of depending who you ask), the Big Three are all about allegiance to one and the same God, and so “theologically” Muslims can get along with other “people of the book” better than you might think if you had never met one. But that doesn’t support the thesis, so let’s just move on. 2 > [@](#): > > Scripturally, a good Muslim’s allegiance is to the Quran. I am not wracked with not-understanding yet. It does seem like the author is suggesting there is no such thing as a secular Muslim, or that perhaps they are all the same (the “good” ones anyway), but never mind. 3 > [@](#): > > Socially, a good Muslim’s religion forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews and they must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and America, the great Satan. It’s not like there isn’t such a thing. The Iranians, for example, were furious with what the CIA &etc did to their country and the way we treated them, furious for generations, down to a religious level. There are other examples to cite. OTOH, I think somebody has to be purposefully not paying attention to see that this is not always the case, hence my questioning the sincerity of these people. Take the mayor of London- is he _really_ only friends with other Muslims? Is that whole administration just a conspiracy against the public? The author seems to be departing from strict sense, evidence and reason in favor of prejudice and hate. Just starting to, anyway. 4 > [@](#): > > Intellectually, a good Muslim cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and believes the Bible to be corrupt. Again, what part of the 1st Amendment do these people fail to grasp? Have they even read the Constitution (or the Bible for that matter)? The Constitution simply is not based on “Biblical principles”. I am willing to be corrected if anyone can offer a coherent argument otherwise. And, while one can make an argument about what a “good Muslim” believes, this author has also said that they “must submit to the Mullahs.” Is the author a Mullah? No? So how is he an authority on what Muslims believe? Let’s just move on. 5 > [@](#): > > Democracy and Islam can never co-exist since every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Good thing America has a 1st Amendment, forbidding Congress to make any law respecting the establishment of religion. America can’t adhere to the Constitution _and_ have a Muslim government. How did we get to the subject of “Muslim Government” anyway? Looks like we are supposed to connect the dots to America = Christian government. A Christian government that has been rather friendly with dictatorships and autocracies when it suits its purposes, but never mind that. There are very many things I could say here. Again, I wonder if this kind of rhetoric is insincere, if perhaps it is an assault on the notion of reasoning itself, such that a certain kind of audience will be primed to view Constitutional logic as equally corrupt and in need of rejection. 6 > [@](#): > > So, Muslims obviously can never be both good Muslims and good Americans. Thus, the segregation. There you have it, 6 steps to the global segregation of Muslims. Why? Because the Constitution is based on the Bible, Americans are all Christians or Jews (_wait!_ the “good Americans” are), and we can’t all be friends. I’m open to being persuaded to the author’s premise, but these points don’t lead there at all AFAICT. As the points become more specious and distant from each other, is the audience’s hatred supposed to fill in the gaps like some kind of mortar, thereby creating some kind of solid whole? I don’t think I get it, but it has to be something like that… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/227 "2017-06-22T07:14:09Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I’ll start by saying that I still don’t feel like I truly understand this movement’s problem with wrapping their heads around the 1st Amendment. Are they even sincere? Or are they playing dumb in a provocative way as a part of some other aim? > > I’m not sure I get it, even after one of them explained it to us in [A Ban On Muslims Is An Excellent Security Option](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a-ban-on-muslims-is-an-excellent-security-option/ar-BBCU7jq). But let’s not make this about me. Can you, dear reader, spot any missing links in the logic? The part that follows: > [@](#): > > The majority of Muslims who immigrate to America and Europe do not assimilate. They do not celebrate our holidays, recognize our history, traditions and have no intention of assimilating. He is a mind reader who knows their intentions. > [@](#): > > So, we are slowly creating two Americas and when the number of Muslim immigrants become significant, then immigration minus assimilation will become invasion. Hmm. I have heard of Hmong from Laos who strive for their own separate community. But I am not sure how well they are able to corral the children. In two generations, assimilation seems all but inevitable. This assertion is basically unsupportable. > [@](#): > > There have already been attempts to vote Shariah law into several American cities with large Muslim populations. It’s only a matter of time until Muslims control some city councils, and county commissions, and garner enough votes. Have there? Really? > [@](#): > > There are pockets of Muslims in European cities where Shariah law has replaced sovereign law. No, this is just nonsense. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I’m open to being persuaded to the author’s premise, but these points don’t lead there at all AFAICT. As the points become more specious and distant from each other, is the audience’s hatred supposed to fill in the gaps like some kind of mortar, thereby creating some kind of solid whole? I don’t think I get it, but it has to be something like that… The audience is supposed to take him at his word. If you seek unbiased information on some of his key assertions, you find garden-fertilizer and vaporous misinformation that evaporates at a glance. I suggest that, if you want to be open to being persuaded to a position like this, you seek someone who makes less-assailable points. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/228 "2017-06-22T09:25:46Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Meanwhile, Ted Nugent is talking like ‘We Have Got to Be More Respectful of the Other Side’ and ‘I’m Not Going To Engage In Hateful Rhetoric Anymore’ > That fucking draft dodging, [Are you really sure he actually dodged the draft?](http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/229 "2017-06-22T14:32:11Z")
I won’t believe a fucking word Ted Nugent has to say on that subject until another Democrat is President and we see if his sentiment is genuine, or purely partisan. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/230 "2017-06-22T14:40:42Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [Are you really sure he actually dodged the draft?](http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp) He said he did at the time in a couple of interviews, then recanted those confessions later. Either way makes him a liar, so I tend to side with young ted, rather than old ted. He did in fact get a medical deferment as being unfit for duty. > [@Chimera](#): > > I won’t believe a fucking word Ted Nugent has to say on that subject until another Democrat is President and we see if his sentiment is genuine, or purely partisan. Of course, at that time, things will be different, and he will have re-thought his position again, realizing that a democrat in office cannot be tolerated. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/231 "2017-06-22T15:03:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > He said he did at the time in a couple of interviews, then recanted those confessions later. Either way makes him a liar, so I tend to side with young ted, rather than old ted… As far as I am concerned, he will always be Poopants Nugent. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/232 "2017-06-22T15:11:10Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I’ll start by saying that I still don’t feel like I truly understand this movement’s problem with wrapping their heads around the 1st Amendment. Are they even sincere? Or are they playing dumb in a provocative way as a part of some other aim? > > I’m not sure I get it, even after one of them explained it to us in [A Ban On Muslims Is An Excellent Security Option](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a-ban-on-muslims-is-an-excellent-security-option/ar-BBCU7jq). But let’s not make this about me. Can you, dear reader, spot any missing links in the logic? > 1 > > I’m actually with him so far. Now, since Allah=Jehovah=YHWH (for some values of depending who you ask), the Big Three are all about allegiance to one and the same God, and so “theologically” Muslims can get along with other “people of the book” better than you might think if you had never met one. But that doesn’t support the thesis, so let’s just move on. > 2 > > I am not wracked with not-understanding yet. It does seem like the author is suggesting there is no such thing as a secular Muslim, or that perhaps they are all the same (the “good” ones anyway), but never mind. > 3 > > It’s not like there isn’t such a thing. The Iranians, for example, were furious with what the CIA &etc did to their country and the way we treated them, furious for generations, down to a religious level. There are other examples to cite. > > OTOH, I think somebody has to be purposefully not paying attention to see that this is not always the case, hence my questioning the sincerity of these people. Take the mayor of London- is he _really_ only friends with other Muslims? Is that whole administration just a conspiracy against the public? The author seems to be departing from strict sense, evidence and reason in favor of prejudice and hate. Just starting to, anyway. > 4 > > Again, what part of the 1st Amendment do these people fail to grasp? Have they even read the Constitution (or the Bible for that matter)? > The Constitution simply is not based on “Biblical principles”. I am willing to be corrected if anyone can offer a coherent argument otherwise. > And, while one can make an argument about what a “good Muslim” believes, this author has also said that they “must submit to the Mullahs.” Is the author a Mullah? No? So how is he an authority on what Muslims believe? Let’s just move on. > 5 > > Good thing America has a 1st Amendment, forbidding Congress to make any law respecting the establishment of religion. America can’t adhere to the Constitution _and_ have a Muslim government. How did we get to the subject of “Muslim Government” anyway? Looks like we are supposed to connect the dots to America = Christian government. A Christian government that has been rather friendly with dictatorships and autocracies when it suits its purposes, but never mind that. > There are very many things I could say here. Again, I wonder if this kind of rhetoric is insincere, if perhaps it is an assault on the notion of reasoning itself, such that a certain kind of audience will be primed to view Constitutional logic as equally corrupt and in need of rejection. > 6 > > There you have it, 6 steps to the global segregation of Muslims. Why? Because the Constitution is based on the Bible, Americans are all Christians or Jews (_wait!_ the “good Americans” are), and we can’t all be friends. > > I’m open to being persuaded to the author’s premise, but these points don’t lead there at all AFAICT. As the points become more specious and distant from each other, is the audience’s hatred supposed to fill in the gaps like some kind of mortar, thereby creating some kind of solid whole? I don’t think I get it, but it has to be something like that… But you’re trying to make sense and use logic. These flag waving cross brandishing assholes aren’t interested in that, they want Dominionism, pure and simple. You can’t reason with them. Don’t even try. I’ve tried, it’s useless. There is no reasoning, there is no compromise. They are the same as the ones they claim to hate so much. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/233 "2017-06-22T15:21:51Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [Are you really sure he actually dodged the draft?](http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp) He said he did, and he has been quoted as saying it. he ALSO said he wanted to kill all the “commie hippies” that were in the Army (such as ME). > [@Nugent](#): > > So I got my notice to be in the draft. Do you think I was gonna lay down my guitar and go play army? Give me a break! I was busy doin’ it to it. I had a career Jack. If I was walkin’ around, hippying down, getting’ loaded and pickin’ my ass like your common curs, I’d say “Hey yeah, go in the army. Beats the poop out of scuffin’ around in the gutters.” But I wasn’t a gutter dog. I was a hard workin’, mother\*\*\*\*in’ rock and roll musician. > > I got my physical notice 30 days prior to. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin’ and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin’ kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I’d drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up. > > See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin’ dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. I’m gonna play their own game, and I’m gonna destroy ’em. Now my whole body is crusted in poop and piss. I was ill. And three or four days before, I started stayin’ awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about one wounded motherf\*cker. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didn’t know and I’m vacuuming that poop right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human poop. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, and my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful and nauseous as it was — ’cause I was really into bein’ clean and on the ball — I made gutter swine hippies look like football players. I was deviano. > > So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn’t believe the smell. They were ridiculin’ me and pushin’ me around and I was cryin’, but all the time I was laughin’ to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, “Oh my God, put those back on! You f\*cking swine you!” Then they had a urine test and I couldn’t piss, But my poop was just like ooze, man, so I poop in the cup and put it on the counter. I had poop on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. The last thing I remember was wakin’ up in the ear test booth and they were sweepin’ up. So I went home and cleaned up. > > They took a putty knife to me. I got the street rats out of my hair, ate some good steaks, beans, potatoes, cottage cheese, milk. A couple of days and I was ready to kick ass. And in the mail I got this big juicy 4-F. They’d call dead people before they’d call my ass. But you know the funny thing about it? I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I’d have the baddest bunch of motherf\*ckin’ killers you’d ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn’t into it. I was too busy doin’ my own thing, you know? Why not take his own words at face value? He did have various deferments… a hgh school deferment, a college deferment (but I am not clear how he would be in college AND be touring/recording/etc), and then came various “medical” deferments until he was finally classified 4F. So there was definitely something flaky going on. It sure looks to me like he played the system to avoid service. Therefore, fuck that son of a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/234 "2017-06-22T16:11:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He said he did, and he has been quoted as saying it. he ALSO said he wanted to kill all the “commie hippies” that were in the Army (such as ME). > > Why not take his own words at face value? > > He did have various deferments… a hgh school deferment, a college deferment (but I am not clear how he would be in college AND be touring/recording/etc), and then came various “medical” deferments until he was finally classified 4F. > > So there was definitely something flaky going on. It sure looks to me like he played the system to avoid service. > > Therefore, fuck that son of a bitch. After he dodged the draft, causing someone more honest than himself to go fight in his place, he later realized that that was a less popular position. So he stopped bragging about how he dodged the draft, and started lying about it instead. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/235 "2017-06-22T16:23:19Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > **SteveG1** , you left off the Bundy Ranch standoff (0 killed) and the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation (0 killed). While there were no deaths, violence was a huge part both situations. ISTR that in the fringes of the Bundy Ranch thing a couple of nuts went all ISIS on a police officer convention or something of the sort, did I dream that ? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/236 "2017-06-22T16:25:29Z")
[QUOTE=E-DUB] The fuck is wrong with these people? [/QUOTE] Just about everything, and their sex life. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/237 "2017-06-22T21:35:09Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > ISTR that in the fringes of the Bundy Ranch thing a couple of nuts went all ISIS on a police officer convention or something of the sort, did I dream that ? [that was real](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/vegas-cop-killers/two-cops-three-others-killed-las-vegas-shooting-spree-n125766) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/238 "2017-06-23T04:39:37Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I’ll start by saying that I still don’t feel like I truly understand this movement’s problem with wrapping their heads around the 1st Amendment. Are they even sincere? Or are they playing dumb in a provocative way as a part of some other aim? > > I’m not sure I get it, even after one of them explained it to us in [A Ban On Muslims Is An Excellent Security Option](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a-ban-on-muslims-is-an-excellent-security-option/ar-BBCU7jq). meh This is just old anti-papism dressed up in new clothes for the new century. The “arguments” are almost identical to the utter bullshit that was still going strong when it was used against JFK in 1960, (and still going, just not as strongly, in recent years.) Every claim made in that essay is either a corruption of what the religion teaches or an outright lie. Such people are merely haters who need an “enemy” against whom to rail. It is amusing, (intellectually, not emotionally), to see the idiots claiming that Muslims (or Catholics) cannot be good neighbors or citizens based on their faith as explained by someone who rejects them as neighbors or fellow citizens based on _their_ faith. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674/239 "2017-06-23T15:42:24Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Are these the people Astorian can not identify and doesn’t believe exists? Apparently so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-america-is-christian-bigots-were-out-in-force-saturday/788674.md?page=11)