# Well, the NFL gets their dream Super Bowl **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 21, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426 "2008-01-21T22:35:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/41 "2008-01-22T21:08:27Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] Yes, yes you did. The Giants were the #1 seed in the conference. By what definition can that possibly be considered luck? I guess you must be referring to how they just squeaked by the Vikings in a game they clearly should have lost? Maybe it’s because the defense was a shitty #5 ranked against the pass and a pathetic #2 ranked against the run? Seriously, wtf? [/QUOTE] Sorry, I thought we had a crappy coach and no heart. The team had too many players out for themselves. The divide between the Offense and the Defense was extreme. To this day, I don’t know how they went on that run and stuck us with 3 more years of Jim Fassel. That team was nothing like this years team or the 80s teams. This is the same coach that played his fiddle as the wheels and hubs fell of the engine in the trainwreck of our loss to San Fran in 2002. I was a very happy Giant fan when Fassel finally left. I will never understand how our team made it to the Superbowl in 2000. It was a very weak 12-4 team. I like this team, I like the character of this team. I like that Tiki leaving let the team become a “Team”. I like the discipline that Coughlin has slowly introduced to the team. I like that Strahan is acting like a team leader instead of a player’s rights leader this year. I actually am dumb enough to think we can win in Arizona. I have actually been dumb enough to pick the Giants in every post-season game this year. * * * **Mr Bus Guy** : Cool, the Bears have been my second favorite team since the 80s. I love teams built around hard nose defense and the 85 Bears and 86 Giants defined this idea for me. Jim Just sent to me by a really old time Giant Fan: Q: What do you call 53 people sitting around a TV watching the Super Bowl? A: The Dallas Cowboys. Q: How do you keep a Dallas Cowboy out of your yard? A: Put up goal posts Q: Why doesn’t San Antonio have a professional football team? A: Because then Dallas would want one. Q: What’s the difference between a Dallas Cowboy & a dollar bill? A: You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill. Q: What do the Dallas Cowboys and possums have in common? A: Both play dead at home and get killed on the road! Q: What do the Dallas Cowboys and Billy Graham have in common? A: They both can make 70,000 people stand up and yell ‘Jesus Christ’. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/42 "2008-01-22T23:11:37Z")
It’s nice to see that joke without the Bears being the butt of the joke for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/43 "2008-01-22T23:22:17Z")
The NFL _wanted_ NE-DAL. They would have been okay and probably pleased with NE-GB. But the Giants? They have no national fanbase. Even in Boston, Atlanta, LA, and here in Texas I will run into Eagles, Cowboys, and 'Skins fans. I never see Giants fans outside of NY/Conn/NJ. No interesting players. Eli Manning is not his brother. Who’s the face of the franchise - Michael Strahan? (Hide that face, please!) I suppose the one good thing about this game is that they’ll be forced to, you know, actually analyze the game, rather than work on “storylines” that ESPN and FOX are so enchanted by. And as a 'Skins fan (and nominally a Pats fan), I want to see the Giants buried in Glendale. Seriously, Iggles, 'Boys fans? I root against you in every game. I can’t think of a scenario where I’d want you to win, unless you were playing each other, and TO was on the opposing team. And the word that Snyder interviewed Jim Fassel _again_ chills me to the bone. One good thing about this - Tiki has to watch the game from the sidelines! HA! And so does Shockey, but worse yet for him, he’s actually still in the league! HA HA! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/44 "2008-01-23T00:12:43Z")
[QUOTE=Hippy Hollow] One good thing about this - Tiki has to watch the game from the sidelines! HA! And so does Shockey, but worse yet for him, he’s actually still in the league! HA HA! [/QUOTE] To add insult to injury, I’m not entirely sure if he would even get a ring should the Giants win, being on IR. > [@What Exit?](#): > > Sorry, I thought we had a crappy coach and no heart. The team had too many players out for themselves. The divide between the Offense and the Defense was extreme. > > To this day, I don’t know how they went on that run and stuck us with 3 more years of Jim Fassel. That team was nothing like this years team or the 80s teams. > > This is the same coach that played his fiddle as the wheels and hubs fell of the engine in the trainwreck of our loss to San Fran in 2002. > > I was a very happy Giant fan when Fassel finally left. I will never understand how our team made it to the Superbowl in 2000. It was a very weak 12-4 team. You sound like the momos who’ve been bashing Eli on the Giants boards for the last four years. You must’ve been a joy to watch the games with back in 2000. And your description sounds like every Yankees team since 2000. Do you extend the same vitriol toward them? (That’s a rhetorical question; I know that you do not because I’ve read tons of your posts about the Yankees.) To sum up, this post lost you way more fan-credibility points from me than your previous one, because instead of thinking you were ignorant you instead have turned out to be a hater. That’s the lowest kind of fan there is, IMO. Hey, wait a minute, weren’t you the guy that was hating on Petitgout? Yep, you’re a hater. Boo on that. ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/45 "2008-01-23T00:21:19Z")
Since we are all making sweeping assumptions I am going to speak for the people of Western PA as I have observed them. No one wants the Patriots to win out here and they will be actively rooting against the Pats. People will watch the Super Bowl out here because they think that the Giants can beat the Pats. Which, me being a Giants fan, I completely agree with. I think that you will get a decent number of snowbird type folks, who moved out of the NY metro area, watching this game. Claims that this Super Bowl matchup is undesirable are pretty far off base. Chargers-Bucs is an undesirable Super Bowl . For the record, I do not hate the Cowboys. I actually only root against them when they play the Giants. I do hate the Eagles. Few things bring me more pleasure than watching the Eagles get stomped out. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/46 "2008-01-23T00:57:28Z")
Well, I’m rooting Giants. Partially because of minor NFC East pride (except the Eagles and Skins), but mainly, wanting the Pats to lose so the hype machine can get off their knees for a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/47 "2008-01-23T00:57:40Z")
Sorry it’s in the Giants fan charter. You must hate the Eagles, Cowboys and Skins. No exception. If it wound up being a NE Dallas Superbowl I would have watched to see the commercials and rooted for a meteor to hit both teams during the cointoss. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/48 "2008-01-23T00:58:37Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] To add insult to injury, I’m not entirely sure if he would even get a ring should the Giants win, being on IR.You sound like the momos who’ve been bashing Eli on the Giants boards for the last four years. You must’ve been a joy to watch the games with back in 2000. And your description sounds like every Yankees team since 2000. Do you extend the same vitriol toward them? (That’s a rhetorical question; I know that you do not because I’ve read tons of your posts about the Yankees.) To sum up, this post lost you way more fan-credibility points from me than your previous one, because instead of thinking you were ignorant you instead have turned out to be a hater. That’s the lowest kind of fan there is, IMO. Hey, wait a minute, weren’t you the guy that was hating on Petitgout? Yep, you’re a hater. Boo on that. [/QUOTE] You did notice the steep drop in penalties since Luke left? Have you ever seen me bash Eli? Coughlin occasionally irritates me, but I like him and thought he was a good choice for the Giants. I liked Tiki up to the point that he badmouthed Eli & Tom for no reason at the beginning of this season. Now, fuck him. Fassel was a really shitty coach and 2000 was not a good team. 2000 might have been a good team if it had a coach that had ever reigned in the problem children. Ask Pitt about Buress and yet Coughlin has him completely bought in and acting as a team leader. Somehow Strahan has become a team player and not just a great player. Even Shockey came close to toeing the line this year before his injury. Eli is a good leader for this team and he is growing into the role. I like Eli “Aw Shucks” Manning. I defended him from the likes of \*\*LOUNE \*\* earlier this season. I am not a hater per se, I just saw the 2000 team as very different then you did. The Ravens were a better team in nearly every position except QB and especially coaching. Jim ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/49 "2008-01-23T02:11:27Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Fassel was a really shitty coach and 2000 was not a good team. [/QUOTE] That is simply not possible considering that they were a #1 seed that convincingly earned a Superbowl berth. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/50 "2008-01-23T13:38:06Z")
I think I heard that Eli will be on the cover of SI this week? Does anyone else know if this is true? Jim (I don’t believe in curses, I don’t believe in curses, I don’t believe in curses) ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/51 "2008-01-23T14:14:50Z")
And I’ll still crap all over Eli. He’s had a good postseason so far (rather good, in fact) so let’s see if he channels his inner Steve Young and gets the monkey off his back. I hope he does. I’d like to see more elite quarterbacks in the league. On a related note, how are there only 6 very good quarterbacks in the NFL? You’ve got to think that everyone that plays organized football gets to be quarterback at some time, whether it be in practice or on the field. Yet, with all the people that play the game, we can only dredge up a half dozen or so people with that talent at an elite level? That almost doesn’t make any sense. Also, so I can stay consistent, the Giants are operating under the Ewing Theory this year, with Tiki being the Ewing. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/52 "2008-01-23T16:09:19Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I think I heard that Eli will be on the cover of SI this week? Does anyone else know if this is true? [/QUOTE] Sure thing – [pic here](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/2008/0128.html). ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/53 "2008-01-23T16:18:39Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Sure thing – [pic here](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/2008/0128.html). [/QUOTE] Crap, so now, we are not just the underdogs, going against the undefeated team with the “greatest Coach in Football”, but we have to go up against the damn curse. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/54 "2008-01-23T16:59:28Z")
Aw. You poor thing. You’re in the Super Bowl for the second time in 10 years. You poor, poor, poor, pitiful thing. -Signed, A Lions fan. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/55 "2008-01-23T17:04:01Z")
[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever] Aw. You poor thing. You’re in the Super Bowl for the second time in 10 years. You poor, poor, poor, pitiful thing. -Signed, A Lions fan. [/QUOTE] My only possible reply to that is … **Go Big Blue!** ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/56 "2008-01-23T17:05:45Z")
[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever] Aw. You poor thing. You’re in the Super Bowl for the second time in 10 years. You poor, poor, poor, pitiful thing. -Signed, A Lions fan. [/QUOTE] Look, man, the fact that y’all haven’t stormed the complex, Bastille-style, and tossed Matt Millen out on his ear and in the direction of the nearest metaphorical guillotine is hardly our fault. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/57 "2008-01-23T17:07:41Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Look, man, the fact that y’all haven’t stormed the complex, Bastille-style, and tossed Matt Millen out on his ear and in the direction of the nearest metaphorical guillotine is hardly our fault. [/QUOTE] Interesting, can we do that to the Dolans? I would actually like my Knicks back. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/58 "2008-01-23T19:52:52Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Look, man, the fact that y’all haven’t stormed the complex, Bastille-style, and tossed Matt Millen out on his ear and in the direction of the nearest metaphorical guillotine is hardly our fault. [/QUOTE] I’ve tried…we have…the Ford family..they have moats surrounding their complexes. Millen (this pains me to say it) might have developed a knack for drafting in the first round; not later ones though. I sware, if I won the lottery, I’d use it to go into millions of dollars of credit to the NFL for the Detroit Lions franchise. I’d pillory Millen and every fan could come over and punch him in the stomach. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/59 "2008-01-23T19:59:08Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] My only possible reply to that is … **Go Big Blue!** [/QUOTE] Hey, I’m not a Giants fan, but they’re NFC, so for all purposes of the Super Bowl…I’m right with you. note how I don’t do this for the Yankees. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426/60 "2008-01-23T22:02:57Z")
[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever] Aw. You poor thing. You’re in the Super Bowl for the second time in 10 years. You poor, poor, poor, pitiful thing. -Signed, A Lions fan. [/QUOTE] By my count Detroit’s NFL fans have been the most mistreated in the Super Bowl era, having had 42 chances to win the game and not even qualifying for it once. Hosting it twice doesn’t float my boat. Detroit 0 for 42 New Orleans 41 Cleveland 39 (Browns II & Browns II) Houston 37 (Oilers & Texans) Phoenix 19 Jacksonville 13 Nashville 10 Memphis 1 (Oilers) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-the-nfl-gets-their-dream-super-bowl/434426.md?page=4)