# Well, they found the landers! Hoax over. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [July 18, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401 "2009-07-18T02:12:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/21 "2009-07-19T17:51:24Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > NASA says the orbiter [has an elliptical orbit](http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html), resulting in differing altitudes for photos taken at each landing site. I’m surmising that the Apollo 14 site was taken at the lowest altitude. I wonder if they’re going to make any more passes over them? I would really like to see the Lunar Rover tracks at 15, 16 and 17, which aren’t visible on the current photos. I read that they eventually intend to take photos from lower altitudes with better resolution of all the sites. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/22 "2009-07-20T06:57:35Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > You believe NASA? Those are clearly photo-shopped–the moon doesn’t have perfect white arrows like that on its surface. Yeah, I can totally see the rasterization around them. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/23 "2009-07-20T14:02:11Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I don’t see any Lunar Whalers or Theme Parks in those photos… 😉 Yeah, looks like a tall tale to me. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/24 "2009-07-20T18:31:24Z")
**foolsguinea** said: > [@](#): > > I don’t believe the moon landing was faked, & **I** don’t find this picture convincing. In fact, in a, “they protest too much,” way, I now wonder if it was faked. Oh, please, do you smoke crack in your spare time? The “Moon landings were a hoax” is so prevalent, it has made it into commercials on TV. Admittedly, most are making fun of the idea, but it is highly visible in the popular culture. Tie in that this is the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11, and that is a couple of strong reasons to post pictures of the sites that show objects. Now I agree that several of the pictures just show blotches and shadows that could be boulders, and that you have to take the word of NASA that the LRO cameras are pointed at the right places, so as **proof** this is still thin. But the Apollo 14 image is pretty convincing to me. It’s a moon picture and the tracks are visible, not just the lander. But to argue that they are protesting too much? What is this, the third grade? ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/25 "2009-07-20T18:54:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > But will they believe _they_ are on the Moon? Nope! \*Assuming that they could be convinced that they really were dealing with a real, operating time machine in the first place, \*they still would not be convinced even by directly experienced evidence! After all, any person or group who could come up with a time-machine would also be clever enough to “fool” less sophisticated (read: _rational_) people with far more advanced efficiency. 😃 Also, see [Habbo](http://www.habbo.com/groups/Moon/) ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/26 "2009-07-20T19:43:14Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > [seethruart]If you look at the picture very carefully you will discern a number of tiny anomalies…[/seethruart] Let me call you Seethruart… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/27 "2009-07-20T19:52:23Z")
Most, if not all, of the hoax believers won’t be swayed by this. They’ll simply claim that these photos are faked. This will make them look even sillier than they did before. The same people are no longer working at NASA. These supposedly fake pictures would be coming from a whole new generation. Before, they believed in a conspiracy that required the silence of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. Now, they’ll be believing in a conspiracy that also requires the silence and cooperation of people **over several generations.** ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/28 "2009-07-20T21:26:37Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > You believe NASA? Those are clearly photo-shopped–the moon doesn’t have perfect white arrows like that on its surface. How do you know that? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/29 "2009-07-20T23:56:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, looks like a tall tale to me. I think we’ll need some people with Fungineering degrees to settle this one. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Race\_Harley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Race\_Harley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Race_Harley)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/30 "2009-07-21T00:15:03Z")
With all the powerful telescopes on Earth and that big one in orbit, they wait until now to show us pictures of the LM on the Moon? 😕 Carry on! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/31 "2009-07-21T00:54:35Z")
> [@Race\_Harley](#): > > With all the powerful telescopes on Earth and that big one in orbit, they wait until now to show us pictures of the LM on the Moon? 😕 > > Carry on! 😛 With all the thousands of articles on the web and dozens of threads on the Dope alone explaining why previous telescopes couldn’t take pictures of something that small, you waited until now to learn the facts? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Race\_Harley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Race\_Harley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Race_Harley)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/32 "2009-07-21T03:07:37Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > With all the thousands of articles on the web and dozens of threads on the Dope alone explaining why previous telescopes couldn’t take pictures of something that small, you waited until now to learn the facts? :rolleyes: You obviously didn’t see my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, huh? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/33 "2009-07-21T14:12:59Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > No humans could have survived the radiation belts that surround the earth. (Cf “Attack of the Mole Men,” _Fantastic Four_, vol. 1, No. 1. pp 1-24, S. Lee, J. Kirby, 1962) The _YELLOW_ radiation belt is especially deadly. (Cf “SOS Green Lantern” _Showcase_, vol 1, No. 22, pp 1-6, J. Broome & G. Kane, Oct. 1959) ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/34 "2009-07-21T14:32:36Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > [seethruart]If you look at the picture very carefully you will discern a number of tiny anomalies…[/seethruart] What are you talking about, [here](http://www.bakers-place.co.uk/b5wallpaper/800aggy.jpg) is the ship that the picture was taken from. Anyone familiar with her would know it wasn’t made by photoshop. Maybe lightwave, but not a product of photoshop. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/35 "2009-07-21T23:15:30Z")
> [@Race\_Harley](#): > > You obviously didn’t see my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, huh? :dubious: I’ve made over 13,500 posts and you haven’t yet learned that I love to snark, huh? 😃 BTW, drachillix. seethruart was a poster and Moon Hoaxer who eventually got banned. Duke was channeling him. ---
**Author:** ![Race\_Harley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Race\_Harley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Race_Harley)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/36 "2009-07-21T23:41:51Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I’ve made over 13,500 posts and you haven’t yet learned that I love to snark, huh? 😃 > > BTW, drachillix. seethruart was a poster and Moon Hoaxer who eventually got banned. Duke was channeling him. Oh, that’s what I heard going over my head! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/37 "2009-07-22T00:15:59Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Most, if not all, of the hoax believers won’t be swayed by this. They’ll simply claim that these photos are faked. This will make them look even sillier than they did before. > > The same people are no longer working at NASA. These supposedly fake pictures would be coming from a whole new generation. Before, they believed in a conspiracy that required the silence of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. Now, they’ll be believing in a conspiracy that also requires the silence and cooperation of people **over several generations.** Plenty of Shakespeare deniers believe in a cover-up that’s been going on for over four hundred years. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/38 "2009-07-22T02:45:18Z")
> [@John\_W.Kennedy](#): > > Plenty of Shakespeare deniers believe in a cover-up that’s been going on for over four hundred years. That supposed cover-up wouldn’t require the knowledge and cooperation of multiple generations of conspiracists, would it? ---
**Author:** ![SSG\_Schwartz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SSG\_Schwartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SSG_Schwartz)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/39 "2009-07-22T03:52:39Z")
Proof that the landing was faked. This is the first attempt to film the moon “[landing](http://web.archive.org/web/20040103071003/www.moontruth.com/clips/moontruth.mpg).” 😃 SSG Schwartz ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401/40 "2009-07-22T04:11:07Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > The people who believe the moon landing was faked are the like the people who believe Barack Obama was born in Kenya. You can provide all sorts of documentation and even photographic and scientific evidence, but nothing short of building a time machine and sending them to the moon so they can watch Neil Armstrong actually stepping out of the LM will get them to believe. > In this case I’m sure they’ll say something like the terrain around the landers doesn’t match the footage or the shadows look too big or some other line of BS. That still wouldn’t convince them. After all, how do they know you didn’t go back in time, get Neil Armstrong, and then bring _him_ to the _future_ to walk on the moon? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-they-found-the-landers-hoax-over/503401.md?page=3)