# Well, what are you waiting for? Get the hell outta here! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2004, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839 "2004-11-15T10:52:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/101 "2004-11-16T19:32:24Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Madalyn Murray O’Hair, a fire-breathing communist Now, now, now; that only happened the one time she tried to recite the sacred _E Pleb Nista_, and she paid to replace the drapes that got ruined. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/102 "2004-11-16T19:40:13Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Very well. I do not begrudge a man making up his own definition so long as he lets everyone know what he means. It is quite clear from context that the use of “fundie” in political discussion refers to people with a theocratic agenda, not to ordinary religious believers who simply wish to live in peace according to their beliefs. To interpret (deserved) attacks upon the former with (malicious) attacks upon the latter is simply a pose of willful ignorance for the (dubious) benefit of the peanut gallery. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/103 "2004-11-16T19:52:14Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > Mrs. Nott has reminded me that our fundie relations moved to **North Carolina,** not South Carolina. I’m quite relieved. Well, I’m not. :mad: Daniel ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/104 "2004-11-16T19:53:45Z")
> [@](#): > > What, you want to match Christians with atheists or something? I’ll see your Eric Rudolph and raise you Josef Stalin. I’ll see your Dennis Malvasi and raise you Pol Pot. I’ll see your James Kopp, and raise you Mao Tse-Tung. So **Libera** l thinks Stalin, Pol Pot Mao, and O’Hair have comparable belief systems? And that they killed people because they were atheists? That’s all pretty stupid. Anyway don’t change the subject **Liberal**. Who did Madalyn Murray O’Hair shoot or bomb because she was an atheist? I think a better example is the Spaniards who killed millions of Native Americans in part because their Catholicism allowed them to dehumanize the natives. These fundies I have pointed out shot or bombed people because of their religious doctrine. Fundamentalist in the US have a very violent history. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/105 "2004-11-16T20:28:42Z")
According to those at CE, Atheists will not be allowed to vote or hold office. Any Atheists care to join me in moving to South Carolina and starting up the First Nominal Christian Church of South Carolina? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/106 "2004-11-16T20:57:57Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > What’s this “we” shit, Kimosabe? I hope you mean volunteers; otherwise, I’ll be inclined to work underground for the Exodus. At least a man can still sin in private, but no man can survive the Pickpocket Pirhannas. Yeah, it’s funny how libertarians talk so much intellectual talk, but when it comes down to it, the only issue they care about or vote based on is taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/107 "2004-11-16T21:07:59Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Very well. I do not begrudge a man making up his own definition so long as he lets everyone know what he means. Otherwise, your “fundie” is indiscernable from someone else’s “homo”. Uh, I’m a homo, and I use the term “homo” all the time. So do many of my fellow homos. Do you have an analogy that’s not stupid, or am I to assume you’re just engaged in your usual mindless ranting? > [@Liberal](#): > > Asking for a cite that Madalyn Murray O’Hair was violent is like asking for a cite that Janet Reno is ugly. She, her spawn, and her grand-spawn ruled the organization with an iron fist until their disappearance. So, uh, that means you don’t have a cite? No offense but your word’s not enough for me. Hey, you know how you leave smug, sanctimonious messages in threads commenting on hte departure of Dopers? You don’t think it’s nice to say bad things about folks who can’t defend themselves, no matter how much obnoxious they were before? Funny . . . because, you know, Madalyn Murray O’Hair is dead now. So aren’t you engaged in the same sorts of behaviors you routinely condemn? And wouldn’t you say that referring to her _offspring_ as “spawn” is basically the equivalent of a monkey flinging shit? What’s that word that describes people who do something routinely, while smugly condemning everyone else who does it? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/108 "2004-11-16T21:30:51Z")
Murder, robbery, assault, fraud, kidnapping, estate pillaging, child abuse and neglect — these are insufficiently violent to suit you? And yet if a (Christian, of course) fundamentalist goes into a booth to vote, you scream the most conceivably vile insults at her. The left truly has descended to the bottom of the well. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/109 "2004-11-16T21:33:32Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Murder, robbery, assault, fraud, kidnapping, estate pillaging, child abuse and neglect — these are insufficiently violent to suit you? And yet if a (Christian, of course) fundamentalist goes into a booth to vote, you scream the most conceivably vile insults at her. The left truly has descended to the bottom of the well. I blieve you were asked for cite that the **organization** was violent. All you’ve offered is that **members** of the organization, acting in their private lives, were violent. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/110 "2004-11-16T21:44:17Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Murder, robbery, assault, fraud, kidnapping, estate pillaging, child abuse and neglect — these are insufficiently violent to suit you? And yet if a (Christian, of course) fundamentalist goes into a booth to vote, you scream the most conceivably vile insults at her. The left truly has descended to the bottom of the well. Strawman! ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/111 "2004-11-16T21:57:56Z")
> [@](#): > > **Liberal** Murder, robbery, assault, fraud, kidnapping, estate pillaging, child abuse and neglect — these are insufficiently violent to suit you? And yet if a (Christian, of course) fundamentalist goes into a booth to vote, you scream the most conceivably vile insults at her. What are you talking about? Now you’re not even making sense. It’s bad enough when I can understand the point you are trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/112 "2004-11-16T22:28:46Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Murder, robbery, assault, fraud, kidnapping, estate pillaging, child abuse and neglect — these are insufficiently violent to suit you? And yet if a (Christian, of course) fundamentalist goes into a booth to vote, you scream the most conceivably vile insults at her. The left truly has descended to the bottom of the well. As **Left Hand of Dorkness** has already pointed out, you claimed that the group, American Atheists, were violence-prone. Thus far you have failed to support that claim. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/113 "2004-11-16T22:49:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Liberal > Murder, robbery, assault, fraud, kidnapping, estate pillaging, child abuse and neglect — these are insufficiently violent to suit you? And yet if a (Christian, of course) fundamentalist goes into a booth to vote, you scream the most conceivably vile insults at her. The left truly has descended to the bottom of the well. Is it not possible to be both leftist _and_ religious? Or at the very least, spiritual? Democrat does not = godless. But it’s amazing how often fundamentalist = right wing splinter group. And lest we forget, it would appear that an astounding number of wars were started (at least partially) due to one group’s attempt to impose their religious beliefs on another group. It doesn’t matter what kind of fundamentalism is involved; Christian, Muslim, Israeli, fundie is fundie. They’re not rational people. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/114 "2004-11-16T22:55:30Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > At the very least, I suggest that to keep the peace we may need to break this country down at least as far as: > > Cokeylvania > > New Pepsishire > > Windows Island > > Macintoshaware > > Daleearnhartia > > Jeffgordonigan Balrogshavewingsafornia Balrogsdon’thavewingsico Picardia Kirkinois ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/115 "2004-11-16T23:26:17Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > Has anyone on this board actually _met_ a Middle/Evangelical American? Or _any_ ordinary church-going American? To hear you people talk, one would assume that, as soon as you leave the suburbs, you are deep in the heart of Deliverance country, with snake-handlers, sodomizers and inbred banjo-pickers everywhere. Unbelievable. Hey, watch it! Some of **us are “sodomizers” (not to mention "sodomizee**s") ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2004, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/116 "2004-11-17T01:27:17Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Murder, robbery, assault, fraud, kidnapping, estate pillaging, child abuse and neglect — these are insufficiently violent to suit you? And yet if a (Christian, of course) fundamentalist goes into a booth to vote, you scream the most conceivably vile insults at her. \*The left \* truly has descended to the bottom of the well. I’m just curious how the left got into this discussion (and since liberal is involved I use the term loosely) in the first place. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2004, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/117 "2004-11-17T02:55:16Z")
It’s a strawman/hijack/deflection/smokescreen. But, just for the hell of it, if we are on a Evil Atheist vs Evil Religious tack, I’ll see your O’Hair and raise you Fred Phelps, Jim Jones, Khomeini, Torquemada, the “burning times” the Salem witch hunts and the whole damn Crusades. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2004, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/118 "2004-11-17T03:17:39Z")
> [@](#): > > **SteveG1** I’ll see your O’Hair and raise you Fred Phelps, Jim Jones, Khomeini, Torquemada, the “burning times” the Salem witch hunts and the whole damn Crusades. I thought about bringing up Jim Jones and non Christian fundie’s like Khomeini but then decided it might derail the conversation. \*\*Liberal: \*\* who has O Hair killed in the name of atheism? Eric Rudolph, Dennis Malvasi, and James Kopp all shot or bombed people based on their fundamentalist Christian beliefs. What have American atheists done which is comparable? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/119 "2004-11-17T18:35:30Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I didn’t realize that peace meant that I had to walk in lockstep with you. Fundie may be short for fundamentalist just as homo is short for homosexual, but all manner of offense could be generated using the term homo in a given context, such as “Let’s round up all the homos and ship them to Haiti”. Can you point to an instance in which you have used “fundie” in a positive sense? Well, if you have a problem with “fundie” as a term for the theocratic faction (as opposed to an entire body of religious believers), how about “Talibornagain”? That seems to be a good fit and a good play on words (if I do say so myself). ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839/120 "2004-11-18T02:26:19Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I blieve you were asked for cite that the **organization** was violent. All you’ve offered is that **members** of the organization, acting in their private lives, were violent. > > Daniel He didn’t, of course, offer any evidence for his claims about Ms. O’Hair, either. I mean, I guess it depends on how much you trust Liberal’s word. It’s probably become clear that I don’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/well-what-are-you-waiting-for-get-the-hell-outta-here/274839.md?page=5)