# Welll Looky here. Ex-Fox News host Gretchen Carlson sues network head Roger Ailes for sexual... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253 "2016-07-06T19:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/81 "2016-07-09T04:17:22Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > I like John Oliver’s take on it: You can go into Fox News, punch the very first person you see in the face, and be fairly certain that they deserved it. True. But to be fair it’s a pretty rare human being who doesn’t deserve at least one gratuitous punch in the face. Even babies. \*Especially \*babies. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/82 "2016-07-09T04:18:16Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > What difference would that make? Has anyone ever been charged with the crime of perjury for a statement in a civil trial? … Yes and the cases are easily found. [As an example:](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-chicago-police-commander-convicted-perjury-obstruction-justice-related-torture) > [@](#): > > Monday, June 28, 2010 … WASHINGTON – The Justice Department announced that a federal jury in Chicago today convicted former Chicago Police Department (CPD) Commander Jon Burge, 60, of Apollo Beach, Fla., on perjury and obstruction charges related to his denials that he participated in the torture of suspects in police custody decades ago. The jury found that Burge lied and impeded court proceedings in November 2003 when he provided false statements in a civil lawsuit that alleged that he and others tortured and abused people in their custody. … Burge faces a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison on each count of obstruction of justice and five years in prison for perjury. [Some more abstract detail:](http://www.law360.com/articles/546640/client-fabricates-evidence-perjures-testimony-now-what) > [@](#): > > … Virtually all jurisdictions have statutes that would impose criminal liability on a client who has defrauded the opposing party and the court or has committed perjury — even when the perjury takes place in a civil context. … It may not happen often but it happens. In any case the point of the statement is just a “_That’s_ your story? Well we’ll be seeing you in court.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/83 "2016-07-09T04:20:40Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > Eh, I’ll say it. Just because its Fox News. This applies to Fox News and places like Breitbart, or other conservative media places: > > If you’re a woman and you work there, and you get harassed or otherwise demeaned due to your gender, its your own damn fault and I have no sympathy for you. Fox and its brethren creates so much harm and hate in the world on purpose, and without hiding it, sometimes even bragging about it, that no one can work there and not know about it. As a woman, you choose that life when you work there. You choose to be possibly propositioned by Ailes when you accept a job there. You choose to have your opinions mean less. > > I want to protect innocent women from being harassed. I want to ensure that it doesn’t happen, and if it does, the aggressor is prosecuted. But there is no fucking way anyone working in the media does not know about Fox’s reputation by now. If you’re desperate and need the job to survive, then sorry, my rant doesn’t apply to you. But if you’re some name-less person selling your soul to raise your profile by exploiting hate through working at Fox News, then you deserve what you get for choosing that lifestyle. > > This rant doesn’t apply to anywhere else. Yes, there exist worst working environments for women than a rich, media empire in a Western, first world country that pays you thousands to look good. I’m just ranting about Fox, I’ve no patience to look up a list of worst places and answer “So is harassment ok here?” > > I want Carlson to succeed in her lawsuit, but I am 100% convinced she went into the lion’s den knowing what may happen. I want the lawsuit to harm Ailes and Fox, I couldn’t care less what happened to Carlson because she’s shown herself to be a morally bankrupt piece of trash willing to sell her whole gender for the promise of fame and fortune. She did this to herself. To me, this is less like saying a women’s clothes makes her a target of rape. This is more like if you choose a masochistic lifestyle and get hurt on one of your own hooks. > > Women should be able to work anywhere and not be harassed. But women should not expect to not be harassed if they willingly work at Fox News. You have just proven yourself no better than Fox News itself. You’re ever bit as bad as they are. Go fuck a chainsaw. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/84 "2016-07-09T04:57:06Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I can’t see Murdoch Sr or Jr letting him go until the lawsuits become economically untenable. Given the personal character that Ms. Carlson has shown to this date, I expect a settlement out of court complete with a non-disclosure agreement. Just to clarify, Carlson has not sued Fox: [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]Currently, the lawsuit, which alleges the Ailes violated NYC’s Human Rights Law, is only against Ailes. Smith said that Carlson’s only “beef” is with Ailes, but they would consider adding Fox News to the lawsuit if they stand by him. [Gretchen Carlson's Lawyers Challenge Roger Ailes To Deny Sexual Harassment Allegations Under Oath - Gothamist](http://gothamist.com/2016/07/07/gretchen_carlson_ailes_oath.php) [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] Separately, I was not aware that perjury prosecution based on civil cases was a rare event. Also, I thought the implication was that the lawyer was hinting that Carlson might have had access to a working recorder. They fit inside pens you know. Even if she didn’t record Ailes, I suspect that public claim would at least play with the rotund one’s head. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/85 "2016-07-09T08:03:56Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Sexual _Healing_? The song I’m hearing is less well known but fits the situation well - I’m hearing the Alan Parsons Project sing “You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/86 "2016-07-09T13:14:49Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Just to clarify, Carlson has not sued Fox: [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]Currently, the lawsuit, which alleges the Ailes violated NYC’s Human Rights Law, is only against Ailes. Smith said that Carlson’s only “beef” is with Ailes, but they would consider adding Fox News to the lawsuit if they stand by him. [Gretchen Carlson's Lawyers Challenge Roger Ailes To Deny Sexual Harassment Allegations Under Oath - Gothamist](http://gothamist.com/2016/07/07/gretchen_carlson_ailes_oath.php) > [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] … She had signed a contract that agreed that any employment disputes must be settled by [arbitration](http://www.wsj.com/articles/lawyers-for-fox-newss-ailes-look-to-move-carlson-harassment-suit-to-arbitration-1468021613). Sueing Fox directly would violate that and Ailes’ team argues that sueing him does as well. > [@](#): > > Lawyers for Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes are seeking to move a sexual harassment lawsuit brought against him by former anchor Gretchen Carlson out of court and into an arbitration proceeding, according to a Friday court filing. > > In a filing in a New Jersey federal court, Mr. Ailes’s legal team said Ms. Carlson’s contract stipulated that any dispute about her employment must be settled in arbitration. > > The filing said the suit Ms. Carlson filed earlier this week in a New Jersey state court that named only Mr. Ailes as a defendant, rather than the company, was “a transparent attempt” to evade the arbitration commitment and was solely intended to “tar Mr. Ailes’ reputation publicly” and force him to settle. … ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/87 "2016-07-09T15:39:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You have just proven yourself no better than Fox News itself. You’re ever bit as bad as they are. Go fuck a chainsaw. How am I as bad as they are? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/88 "2016-07-09T16:23:49Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Carlson played the role of a bimbo on Fox and Friends. Note she is now 50 years old. Obviously I have a different view that most of you but I don’t see 50 year olds as successful bimbos. At that age her sex appeal is going down rapidly. Thus her shift to less appealing slots, her declining salary and finally the failure to renew the contract are very easily explained by her declining sex appeal and consequent ratings decline. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/89 "2016-07-09T16:50:21Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Note she is now 50 years old. She’s lucky to be 50 today. In 1950 and 1962, successful 50-year-old women were hideous, soulless monsters. See _Sunset Boulevard_ and _Whatever Happened to Baby Jane._ ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/90 "2016-07-09T17:43:31Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > How am I as bad as they are? You literally just blamed a harassment victim for the harassment against her. You said it was entirely her fault. Not even partly the fault of those who harassed her. It doesn’t matter how “innocent” she is. She is not at fault because others sexually harassed her. It doesn’t become okay because she was a part of Fox News. Hell, I’m not sure even Fox News would be that blatant, if only because it would work against them so horribly. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/91 "2016-07-09T19:16:01Z")
> **[More women come forward with allegations of sexual harassment against Roger...](https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/07/after-gretchen-carlson-suit-six-women-come-forward-with-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-against-roger-ailes-225329#ixzz4DvpUqjKq)** > > “You know, if you want to play with the big boys, you have to lay with the big boys,” Ailes allegedly told a former Republican National Committee field adviser in 1989. More women speak out about Ailes. ---
**Author:** ![elliott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b5ac83/32.png) [@elliott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elliott)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/92 "2016-07-09T19:29:56Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > For your next trick, you can respond to _what I actually said_ (“If you work for a bullshit propaganda mill, you deserve to be dismissed as a hack unworthy of the name ‘journalist’”). well that’s easy you can have any job you want, doesn’t make sexual harassment okay. If you’re a pornstar or a hooker, its still not ok for the director or your pimp to fondle you ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/93 "2016-07-09T19:38:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > No; you’ve completely failed to understand what **Yog** wrote. > Now you’re not only completely wrong about what he wrote again, you’re spewing more bile and hate than anyone else has in this thread. > Holy shit! Put down that 54th espresso, stop shoving chocolate covered coffee beans in your mouth and calm the fuck down. > > In other words: stop digging. Stop digging? Why, because he’s fucking burying you? **YogSothoth** ’s reaction is precisely why so much sexual harassment goes undereported: because women know there’s a good chance they’ll run into someone like **Yog**. And they know there’ll be someone like you around defending him. You’re both as much a part of this problem as Roger Ailes, even if you’ve never laid an untoward hand on a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/94 "2016-07-09T19:53:00Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > She’s lucky to be 50 today. In 1950 and 1962, successful 50-year-old women were hideous, soulless monsters. > > See _Sunset Boulevard_ and _Whatever Happened to Baby Jane._ They had to age Gloria Swanson because she was still too hot. ---
**Author:** ![Lucky\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Lucky\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucky_Mike)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/95 "2016-07-09T21:11:15Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Given that the devoutly liberal CBC just had a major sexual assault scandal I do not think the political affiliation of the media organization has a lot to do with this sort of thing. You’ve got big swinging dicks with access to attractive women they can harass, and so, depressingly, that’s what they do. Yup, could not agree more. We have well known leftist film makers who are actually child molesters, we have right wing priests/football coaches who are child molesters. We have right wing douche bags who sexually harass women in media, and we have left wing douche bags who do it. Honestly, when you think about it, “sexiness” is required by almost every media outlet when it comes to women. It opens a lot of women up to harassment IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/96 "2016-07-09T22:45:15Z")
I think Fox News’ tendency to hire the not-so-bold and the beautiful is much more pronounced than in the rest of the TV industry. > [@PastTense](#): > > Note she is now 50 years old. Obviously I have a different view that most of you but I don’t see 50 year olds as successful bimbos. At that age her sex appeal is going down rapidly. Thus her shift to less appealing slots, her declining salary and finally the failure to renew the contract are very easily explained by her declining sex appeal and consequent ratings decline. ## I’ve had similar thoughts: I think her declining beauty drove her recent career trajectory. I also think that made her vulnerable to sexual extortion by Ailes, if that indeed is what he did. More legal stuff (and thanks DSeid). The NYT reported today that Carlson is angling more towards suing for retaliation than discrimination. The former is easier to sue for. This is part of a wider legal trend: sometimes discrimination claims get thrown out of court, but the plaintiff wins when they document that they were retaliated against for complaining about sexual discrimination. I speculate that the Ducey complaint plays that role. [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/business/gretchen-carlson-suit-aims-at-retaliation-over-discrimination.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/business/gretchen-carlson-suit-aims-at-retaliation-over-discrimination.html) I remind myself that lawsuits with beneficial social consequences on net don’t always have wholly sympathetic plaintiffs. Not everyone is as savvy as Megan Kelly. And if the allegations in the Politico article are accurate, Ailes needs to be taken down by the law, civil or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/97 "2016-07-09T23:16:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Stop digging? Why, because he’s fucking burying you? **YogSothoth** ’s reaction is precisely why so much sexual harassment goes undereported: because women know there’s a good chance they’ll run into someone like **Yog**. And they know there’ll be someone like you around defending him. You’re both as much a part of this problem as Roger Ailes, even if you’ve never laid an untoward hand on a woman. I don’t agree with everything that **Yog** wrote and I think he was unduly harsh on Carlson and unfair in making this out to be typical of conservatives, but the above criticism is also very unfair. I think several of us are just talking past each other. For example I immediately got flak just for saying the following “if you go down into the sewer, expect to encounter sewage and sewer rats. _ **Of course** _ Gretchen is justified in her complaint, if the facts are accurate. It’s just that she may have been a bit naive in thinking of Fox News as a normal broadcaster, or an environment with normal ethical standards.” The first statement is true and the second one suggests – correctly, I believe – that joining Fox isn’t a very creditable career move for a serious journalist who is apparently a talented Stanford graduate. The question of “blame” is nowhere to be found, and talking about “blame” is completely misguided in any context except that Ailes and Doocy are 100% to blame for their actions. **Yog** did state that Carlson was to blame and I completely disagree with this. But what he wrote about Fox, minus the harshness and blame of conservatives, is basically correct. Fox News is a cesspool of liars and unethical jackasses – that’s just a fact. Stating that fact doesn’t make one a misogynist or dangerous woman-abuser nor does it in any way defend the actions of the pieces of shit that work there. Speaking for myself, such an accusation is laughable since I’m about as supportive of feminist issues and women’s rights as it’s possible to be. Which is exactly why I think the whole Fox environment is so reprehensible. Reading any indication of “blaming the victim” in anything I said is just grossly misinterpreting my meaning, plain and simple. You can devise all the clever arguments you want, but please don’t try to tell me what I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/98 "2016-07-09T23:26:24Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I don’t agree with everything that **Yog** wrote and I think he was unduly harsh on Carlson and unfair in making this out to be typical of conservatives, but the above criticism is also very unfair. I think several of us are just talking past each other. > > For example I immediately got flak just for saying the following “if you go down into the sewer, expect to encounter sewage and sewer rats. _ **Of course** _ Gretchen is justified in her complaint, if the facts are accurate. It’s just that she may have been a bit naive in thinking of Fox News as a normal broadcaster, or an environment with normal ethical standards.” > > The first statement is true and the second one suggests – correctly, I believe – that joining Fox isn’t a very creditable career move for a serious journalist who is apparently a talented Stanford graduate. The question of “blame” is nowhere to be found, and talking about “blame” is completely misguided in any context except that Ailes and Doocy are 100% to blame for their actions. Actually, the question of blame is right there, in your second paragraph, when you say, “if you go down into the sewer, expect to encounter sewage and sewer rats.” That’s textbook victim blaming. I can appreciate that you don’t want to admit to this, because it’s tantamount to admitting that you’re a fundamentally shitty person. But that’s what it is. And that’s what you are. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/99 "2016-07-09T23:41:35Z")
I clearly stated that Ailes and Doocy are 100% to blame for their actions, and I absolutely believe it. So what percentage of the blame is left to assign to Carlson? Work on the math and get back to me. You can call me a shitty person if you want, but I think an actual shitty person is one who makes unfounded assumptions about someone else’s beliefs based on their own misreadings and delusions. What the fuck is one supposed to say about a career decision to leave CBS and join Fox? That it was smart? Or is one supposed to very carefully avoid mentioning it, in case it’s misconstrued by someone subject to delusions that it’s “blaming the victim”? If Carlson was someone I knew and she had asked my advice about going to Fox, I would have strongly advised her against it, and cited their general lack of ethics and the way they treat women as the main reason. Yeah, that makes me a shitty person, and a misogynist, too! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253/100 "2016-07-10T00:08:43Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I clearly stated that Ailes and Doocy are 100% to blame for their actions, and I absolutely believe it. So what percentage of the blame is left to assign to Carlson? Work on the math and get back to me. Blame is not a zero-sum game. We know this, because we’ve see you, in this thread, blaming the victim of sexual harrassment for her own harassment. > [@](#): > > What the fuck is one supposed to say about a career decision to leave CBS and join Fox? That it was smart? Or is one supposed to very carefully avoid mentioning it, in case it’s misconstrued by someone subject to delusions that it’s “blaming the victim”? How about, “Leave it out, because it’s entirely irrelevant.” The position you, and that shit head **Yog-Sothoth** , have staked out is functionally identical to, “Of course she got raped, look what she was wearing!” > [@](#): > > If Carlson was someone I knew and she had asked my advice about going to Fox, I would have strongly advised her against it, and cited their general lack of ethics and the way they treat women as the main reason. Yeah, that makes me a shitty person, and a misogynist, too! :rolleyes: No, that would be good advice. What makes you a shitty person, and a misogynist, is that when they ignore your advice, and something bad happens, your first reaction is, “Well, that’s what you get.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welll-looky-here-ex-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-sues-network-head-roger-ailes-for-sexual/759253.md?page=6)