# Wellstone Family to Cheney: Get Bent, Dick! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2002, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714 "2002-10-31T15:25:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/61 "2002-11-01T17:31:39Z")
I just wasted half my morning scouring the internet looking for a cite, because, quite frankly, I really wanted to experience all of the fissile material in the universe reach critical mass when I agree with **Ace0Spades** , and back him up against less strident and more rational (though often wrong) opponents. After much fruitless searching, I have discovered that not even the loonies on buzzflash reported Ashcroft or Cheney saying anything remotely like, “Wellstone was a traitor,” or “anyone who disagrees with the war in Iraq is a traitor.” **Ace** , you’re completely wrong, and you are a monumental dickbox for retreating like a weasel when a cite was requested to back up one of your more ludicrous, shit-smeared claims. > [@](#): > > How 'bout you fuck off, instead? What’s good for the goose… Still waiting for your response on your protest thread. You going to step up to the plate? ---
**Author:** ![Toaster52](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@Toaster52](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toaster52)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/62 "2002-11-01T17:33:08Z")
_“Nah. How 'bout you fuck off, instead?”_ Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh…I LOVE these well-reasoned arguments!!! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/63 "2002-11-01T17:33:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > \*\*Nah. How 'bout you fuck off, instead? \*\* Gee, Ace, you are one class act. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/64 "2002-11-01T17:35:20Z")
Zzzzzz. Keep going, you may get enough head of steam to make it worth my time. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/65 "2002-11-01T18:43:41Z")
**Dewey** , I have used that “Balderdash…” line many times, it is a bit of fun, don’t you know. I seriously doubt that anybody imagines that I’m trying to fob myself off as an upper class Englishman. You know, a _joke_: like “Whats black and brown and looks good on a lawyer?” That sort of thing. I quite understand, I know other victims of law school who have had every last bit of whimsy hammered out of them. Perhaps that has some bearing on why, as a group, they are so widely beloved. But I can’t prove that. No cite will be offered. > [@](#): > > …This is staggeringly stupid. By extension… Just so. Any reasonable argument can be extended to be unreasonable, they cover that in Thinking 101. As you and I both know. > [@](#): > > Listen, Sparky, why don’t you provide a criticism from the Bush administration and we’ll decontruct it for any signs of an “implication and innuendo” of treason. Until then, you’re just talking out of your ass. I have provided you many criticisms of the Man Who Fell Up, and you have answered them to your entire satisfaction. Implication and innuendo, by its very nature, can be twisted and “deconstructed” to damn near any end desireable, as I’m sure you know. If this somehow escapes you, you’d best consider cutting eyeholes on either side of your navel so that you don’t go around bumping into things. Sparky. ---
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/66 "2002-11-01T18:46:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Ace0Spades: What the fuck did you think Wellstone was? A gentleman. ---
**Author:** ![Pabitel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@Pabitel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pabitel)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/67 "2002-11-01T18:54:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Maeglin \* > \*\*I just wasted half my morning scouring the internet looking for a cite, because, quite frankly, I really wanted to experience all of the fissile material in the universe reach critical mass when I agree with **Ace0Spades** , and back him up against less strident and more rational (though often wrong) opponents. > > After much fruitless searching, I have discovered that not even the loonies on buzzflash reported Ashcroft or Cheney saying anything remotely like, “Wellstone was a traitor,” or “anyone who disagrees with the war in Iraq is a traitor.”\*\* Strange, it only took me about 30 seconds to find the quotes. Here they are. > [@](#): > > “I am not going to accept a bill where the Senate micromanages, where the Senate shows they’re more interested in special interest in Washington and not interested in the security of the American people.” Sept. 5 in Louisville, Ky. > > “Senators need to understand I will not accept a homeland security bill that puts special interests in Washington ahead of the security of the American people. I will not accept a homeland security bill that ties the hands of this administration or future administrations in defending our nation against terrorist attacks.” Sept. 7 radio address. > > “For the sake of the security of our homeland, the Senate needs to be more worried about the American people, and less worried about special interest here in Washington, D.C.” Sept. 19 in Washington. > > “The House responded, but the Senate is more interested in special interests in Washington and not interested in the security of the American people. I will not accept a Department of Homeland Security that does not allow this president and future presidents to better keep the American people secure. And people are working hard to get it right in Washington, both Republicans and Democrats. **See, this isn’t a partisan issue. This is an American issue.** This is an issue which is vital to our future. It’ll help us determine how secure we’ll be.” Sept. 23 in Trenton, New Jersey. > > “My message, of course, is that, to the senators up here that are more interested in special interests, you better pay attention to the overall interests of protecting the American people.” Sept. 24 before a Cabinet meeting. The bolding is mine. I don’t think Bush could be much plainer. He is calling the Senators who oppose his politics Un-American. Bush doesn’t need to say the words, “Wellstone is a traitor” in order to be rightly accused of calling Wellstone a traitor. Saying Wellstone’s politics are un-American will nicely fit the bill. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/68 "2002-11-01T18:56:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > **"Whats black and brown and looks good on a lawyer?"** OK…I’ll bite. What **is** black and brown and looks good on a lawyer? > [@](#): > > **I have provided you many criticisms of the Man Who Fell Up, and you have answered them to your entire satisfaction.** You misread. He wanted criticisms **from** the Bush folks. Presumably ones where they call them traitors. And is **Ace** the most entertaining “debater” on this board in a while? Or is it just me? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/69 "2002-11-01T19:02:44Z")
A Rottwieller. [rimshot] ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/70 "2002-11-01T19:10:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Strange, it only took me about 30 seconds to find the quotes. Here they are. You have _got_ to be kidding. First, you don’t even give us a link. Second, the claim was that Ashcroft and/or Cheney called Wellstone and those who disagree with them **traitors**. Nothing you pasted above even remotely supports this allegation. Trying to spin a partisan issue into an “American” one is, and has always been, _de rigeur_. Substitute the environment, social security, or any pork barrel project into the language of Bush’s speech and it still makes perfect sense. More importantly, it utterly lacks any accusations or implications of treason. > [@](#): > > And is Ace the most entertaining “debater” on this board in a while? Or is it just me? If for you entertainment is inserting superheated glass rods into your urethra, then yeah, he sure is. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/71 "2002-11-01T19:11:26Z")
Very nice, **Elucidator** ; say, I like **Degrance** , can I keep him? **Neurotik** : Watch those quotes, you’ll poke somebody’s eye out. Still mad love for the neurotic, though. **The rest of the whining ninnies:** Here’s another cite for ya: [Ashcroft.pdf](http://www.angry.net/politics/r/republicans.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/72 "2002-11-01T19:14:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Here’s another cite for ya: I can’t be the only one saying to myself, “what the fuck?” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/73 "2002-11-01T19:14:55Z")
Well , some of us have urethras. Others have cloacas. Warning: any attempt at posting a pun regarding the famous soul singer, Ms. Franklin, will be cause for severe chastisement. You have been warned! ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/74 "2002-11-01T19:19:36Z")
[By way of comic relief.](http://www.artnet.com/magazine/reviews/fiers/fiers1-9-01.asp) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/75 "2002-11-01T19:20:52Z")
Ouch! You’d have to be “Cloo-Cloo for Cloaca-Puffs” to make such an awful pun. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/76 "2002-11-01T19:21:45Z")
C’mon, folks. This isn’t difficult. If you make a specific statement about a specific person, and are then asked for a cite on that statement, provide it. Otherwise, you made it up, and all the posturing, balderdash and tommyrot in the world ain’t gonna change that. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/77 "2002-11-01T19:25:23Z")
**elucidator** : Two points – 1. May I suggest that someone who uses phrases like “fucked-up Anglophone time-warp hallucination” is not someone who has had “every last bit of whimsy hammered out of them”? 🙂 2. Since, as you say, “implication and innuendo, by its very nature, can be twisted and ‘deconstructed’ to damn near any end desireable,” may I suggest that it is inappropriate to use something as subjective as “implication and innuendo” as the basis for saying the Bush administration has described any given set of Democrats as treasonous? **Degrance** : I second **Maeglin** ’s response to you. **Ace** : I do not think that link goes where you think it goes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/78 "2002-11-01T19:29:45Z")
**Sauron** , you’re of course right. But the statement was of the administration making general statements of part of a policy that had “the effect,” intended as painting their opposition as traitors. This doesn’t need a cite here – it’s obvious enough to those not living under rocks; and even if we needed one, **Degrance’s** are more than plenty. After all, we only have a limited amount of resources. Why should anyone waste it fighting _appeals to ignorance_ in the PIT, when we could better spent it submitting material to a [new book](http://members.aol.com/negations/gop_2k.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/79 "2002-11-01T19:42:57Z")
Wow, you want some WD40 to go with that backpedal? ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714/80 "2002-11-01T19:48:57Z")
I’m pretty sure that if I took the time, **Ace0Spades** , I could rearrange some of the letters in your last post to form the phrase “I was wrong.” Apparently that’s as close as you’re going to come to admitting such, so I’ll content myself with that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wellstone-family-to-cheney-get-bent-dick/134714.md?page=5)