# Welp, guess I won't be seeing "Passengers" then **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 18, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069 "2016-12-18T19:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/21 "2016-12-19T04:28:21Z")
> [@dracoi](#): > > What I’d love to see is a very serious and probably disturbing look at how badly people deal with long-term isolation. Have him release her from suspended animation after basically going crazy from isolation. Acknowledge just how wrong it is for him to do that, but make us sympathize with him anyway. > > (And, just to please the people from the other movie thread tonight: then we can have them break out into a jazzy song and dance number to express their feelings for each other. 😛 ) Or how about this? The guy goes insane from isolation and starts waking people up one at time, toys with them for awhile, and then murders them. He’s an outer space serial killer! His latest target is Jennifer Lawrence, who sensed something is off, puts the pieces together and eventually turns the tables on the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/22 "2016-12-19T06:11:59Z")
> [@dracoi](#): > > And they still think Jack Bauer is the hero of 24. I what way is Jack Bauer not the hero of _24_? Admittedly I never watched it regularly, but as I understand it, every season he almost single-handedly saves the USA/world from an overly elaborate multilayered conspiracy, that if he hadn’t involved himself would have killed millions. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/23 "2016-12-19T07:10:49Z")
If Passengers is rapey, then Arrival is rapey and murdery. I’m going to have to see it now to balance out my movie karma. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/24 "2016-12-19T12:34:37Z")
\ I think it looks interesting. I hear the theme song is _Baby, it’s Cold Outside_. ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/25 "2016-12-19T12:47:35Z")
Yeah, as a sci-fi fan I was very interested when I saw the trailer some months ago but… urgh. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/26 "2016-12-19T12:57:03Z")
Funny the OP article mentions “Love Actually”, where that’s a film that obviously takes place in some weird alternate reality. The odds of a horrible person like Andrew Lincoln meeting someone who sympathisizes and tacitlly encourages his “romantic overtures”? As for “Passengers”? I’d have to see it to pass final judgement. Is the complaint trailer misrepresentation? Yeah I get it. Is it that Pratt doesn’t get karmic retribution? Well…life’s not fair. There’s plenty of movies and TV shows… “NuBSG” comes to mind…where we look at each other and ask “Are we just going to pretend that didn’t happen and move on”? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/27 "2016-12-19T13:19:17Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > I was hoping that the female lead turned out to be an android. That the movie, as described, becomes a romance is incomprehensible. **This was the hottest unmade script floating around Hollywood?** [bolding mine] You have to wonder how the script evolved. I remember reading that _Pretty Woman_ started off as a grimmer script called _$3,000_ or something like that, and it got Hollywoodified by the great Garry Marshall, for better and worse, I suppose. But yeah, if the premise of the movie is Stockholm Syndrome Love Story, it really clanks. And if the premise of the original script was in line with that, then yeah, that is a bit of a WTF. ISTR that Keanu Reeves was trying to get it made for a few years…yeah, a quick Google shows a bunch of headlines with starting and stopping. Wonder what Neo saw in it? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/28 "2016-12-19T13:22:12Z")
You had me at Kaitness Everdeen and Star Lord trapped on a space station. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/29 "2016-12-19T13:29:56Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Is it that Pratt doesn’t get karmic retribution? Well…life’s not fair. > > There’s plenty of movies and TV shows… “NuBSG” comes to mind…where we look at each other and ask “Are we just going to pretend that didn’t happen and move on”? All stories are about manipulating the audience, so a lot depends on the skill of the screenwriters. You know how ridiculous the ending of Speed is? There’s no way that relationship is going to last, but our ape brains don’t care because the movie does a pretty good job of manipulating us. I’m not saying that a story where the lead protagonist doesn’t get karmic retribution for a horrible act _couldn’t_ work, but it’s up to the writers to manipulate us in such a way that we don’t care. It’s not up to us as audience members to do that for them. From the sound of these reviews, the film failed to do that, so the reviewers greatly disliked a character that the film wanted or needed them to like. That’s how movies fall flat. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/30 "2016-12-19T13:31:45Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > You had me at Kaitness Everdeen and Star Lord trapped on a space station. Frankly, I’m a big fan of both performers. But I got to say, when the original trailer came out I said, “I’ll pass.” To me it looked like: let’s put 2 of Hollywood’s hottest young stars together for a 2 hour date/fuckfest on a spaceship! Um, no thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/31 "2016-12-19T15:33:31Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Or how about this? The guy goes insane from isolation and starts waking people up one at time, toys with them for awhile, and then murders them. He’s an outer space serial killer! His latest target is Jennifer Lawrence, who sensed something is off, puts the pieces together and eventually turns the tables on the guy. Now I’d pay to see that movie! If done right, it could be awesome. Don’t let on for the first third/half what is really going on. You start liking the guy, and then the whole movie takes a 90 degree turn. Probably no one else would watch it, though. > [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > I what way is Jack Bauer not the hero of _24_? Admittedly I never watched it regularly, but as I understand it, every season he almost single-handedly saves the USA/world from an overly elaborate multilayered conspiracy, that if he hadn’t involved himself would have killed millions. He may say MILLIONS from DYING but he is not the hero. You don’t save the village of America by destroying it, and that’s what Jack does to the justice system. Jack is post-911 America personified. Any means are justified to get to the ends desired. Jack is “you’re with me, or against me.” He’s everything that went wrong with this country in 2001. (My personal conspiracy theory is that the show was created by the Bush administration as a low-level brainwashing of the American public. Get people used to torture and lack of civil rights as a thing the good guys do.) If it takes what Jack does to save the world, (giving up the very ideal we believe in) then maybe it just isn’t worth saving. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/32 "2016-12-19T15:37:47Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > \ I think it looks interesting. I hear the theme song is _Baby, it’s Cold Outside_. In space shrinkage is severe… When the guy said “make it so”…I said screw this and walked out. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/33 "2016-12-19T15:42:46Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > As for “Passengers”? I’d have to see it to pass final judgement. Is the complaint trailer misrepresentation? Yeah I get it. Is it that Pratt doesn’t get karmic retribution? Well…life’s not fair. How about “[it’s just plain BAD](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/passengers_2016)”? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/34 "2016-12-19T15:52:52Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Now I’d pay to see that movie! If done right, it could be awesome. Don’t let on for the first third/half what is really going on. You start liking the guy, and then the whole movie takes a 90 degree turn. > > Probably no one else would watch it. I would! My twist would be that JLaw can’t take it and ends her own life. Then we find out this is the fourth passenger Pratt has woken up. And he even arranged all the danger to try and get a different result. “Maybe the fifth will be different” … Roll credits. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/35 "2016-12-19T15:56:37Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I would! > > My twist would be that JLaw can’t take it and ends her own life. Then we find out this is the fourth passenger Pratt has woken up. And he even arranged all the danger to try and get a different result. > > “Maybe the fifth will be different” … Roll credits. Oh boy, it’s like Evil Groundhog Day. “I’ll keep trying until I get it right!” ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/36 "2016-12-19T16:14:49Z")
It is well known that Hollywood loves rape stories. When Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13 teen year old girl so many Hollywood elite came to his defense and said it was no big deal. So it’s no wonder they keep forcing their rape fantasies on us. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/37 "2016-12-19T21:12:33Z")
It may be a creepy movie or not, but I am inclined to ignore a review’s validity when half of it consists of goddamn tweets. And this is the Telegraph, which is at least somewhat historically credible. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/38 "2016-12-19T21:30:17Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > I haven’t seen _Overboard_, so I can’t speak to its plot, but I was just curious why you specifically compared it to another movie whose plot featured subjective or objective rape and that this seemed to be somewhat echoed by the reviewer who referenced “rape culture” when describing the movie. \*Overboard \*is about a relationship that leads to semi-consensual sex based on the complete deception of a woman with amnesia. \*Passengers \*is about a relationship that gives the woman the option of living out her life alone in part of a giant starship, or submitting to an emotional/sexual relationship with the guy who data-stalked her, woke her up and in essence “kidnapped” her from the future she expected. If you haven’t seen either movie, I am not sure why you are so concerned with my characterization. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/39 "2016-12-19T23:14:09Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > \*Overboard \*is a different story. “Yes, you’re really my wife who has amnesia. Now take your clothes off.” Ha ha, yuk yuk. For what it’s worth:The story was that Goldie Hawns’ character had hired Kurt Russell’s character to do some work and then unfairly refused to pay him for it. She then got amnesia and he convinced her they were married. But his intent was to recoup the money he was owed by having her do housework for him and his kids. It was shown that he drew a line at having sex with her - even when she tried to initiate it with her “husband”. So the story was more about slavery via fraud rather than rape via fraud. ---
**Author:** ![dracoi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dracoi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dracoi)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069/40 "2016-12-20T00:10:27Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > I what way is Jack Bauer not the hero of _24_? Admittedly I never watched it regularly, but as I understand it, every season he almost single-handedly saves the USA/world from an overly elaborate multilayered conspiracy, that if he hadn’t involved himself would have killed millions. Yes, he does manage to save the world. But only after destroying private property, torturing suspects, conducting unlawful searches, disobeying orders and generally pissing all over the Constitution. After a few seasons of that, I’m thinking we should give the terrorists a plea bargain if they’ll help us get Bauer off the streets. As a specific example, the 24 Wiki summaries part of the first season this way: “… Before going forward with the trade, Jack got a call from Nina (who is now revealed to be a traitor) who falsely told him Kim was dead. Jack killed Victor and Andre in cold blood …” and then says a couple of paragraphs later “Though Jack committed several felonies during the events of Day 1, nobody sought to prosecute him for them due to the special circumstances.” And that’s just Season 1. :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/welp-guess-i-wont-be-seeing-passengers-then/775069.md?page=3)