# Went to a group job presentation - are these medicine products a scam? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 1, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/went-to-a-group-job-presentation-are-these-medicine-products-a-scam/583945 "2011-06-01T10:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/went-to-a-group-job-presentation-are-these-medicine-products-a-scam/583945/21 "2011-06-02T13:37:54Z")
> [@phantom\_lamb](#): > > VISION International People Group [Bloomberg overview of the similarly named Vision International People Group Public Limited](http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=20378710). This is not necessarily the same company; scammy companies often take names similar to non-scammy companies. HQ is in Cyprus. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/went-to-a-group-job-presentation-are-these-medicine-products-a-scam/583945/22 "2011-06-02T14:04:06Z")
FWIW following basic GMP guidelines isn’t that tough given as the FDA and equivalent publish their interpretations for free. Getting you facilities approved by regulatory agencies based upon your implementation of GMP is the hard part! ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/went-to-a-group-job-presentation-are-these-medicine-products-a-scam/583945/23 "2011-06-02T14:48:02Z")
> [@phantom\_lamb](#): > > they meet the GMP criteria (they boasted a lot about this) > **[Redirect Notice](https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.who.int%2Fvaccines-documents%2FDocsPDF%2Fwww9651.pdf&rct=j&q=GMP%20criteria&ei=WqHnTcbFFKXc0QGoyZmfCw&usg=AFQjCNFNEjdwXyuRN01B7UEsHbeOrwT3FA&sig2=fQDQfeL7ITAqjt19Xkxqtw&cad=rja)** > [@](#): > > WHO defines Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) as “that part of quality assurance > which ensures that products are consistently produced and controlled to the quality > standards appropriate to their intended use and as required by the marketing authorization” > (ref 27). GMP covers all aspects of the manufacturing process: defined manufacturing > process; validated critical manufacturing steps; suitable premises, storage, > transport; qualified and trained production and quality control personnel; adequate > laboratory facilities; approved written procedures and instructions; records to show > all steps of defined procedures taken; full traceability of a product through batch processing > records and distribution records; and systems for recall and investigation of > complaints. > > The guiding principle of GMP is that quality is built into a product, and not just tested > into a finished product. Therefore, the assurance is that the product not only meets > the final specifications, but that it has been made by the same procedures under the > same conditions each and every time it is made. There are many ways this is controlled > > - controlling the quality of the facility and its systems, controlling the quality > of the starting materials, controlling the quality of production at all stages, controlling > the quality of the testing of the product, controlling the identity of materials by adequate > labelling and segregation, controlling the quality of materials and product by > adequate storage, etc. All of these controls must follow prescribed, formal, approved > procedures, written as protocols, SOPs, or Master Formulae, describing all the tasks > carried out in an entire manufacturing and control process. So their biggest boast is that they \*\*\*make the stuff consistently. * * * Woohoo. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/went-to-a-group-job-presentation-are-these-medicine-products-a-scam/583945/24 "2011-06-02T15:12:34Z")
Yeah, conforming to GMP should be considered an absolute bare minimum, along the lines of “not killing people on a daily basis”. It’s not something to brag about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/went-to-a-group-job-presentation-are-these-medicine-products-a-scam/583945.md?page=1)