# Were Eva and Juan Peron really Nazi sympathisers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 23, 2014, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014 "2014-02-23T12:36:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/21 "2014-03-02T06:52:39Z")
> [@Morwen Edhelwen](#): > > You know who the other politician was who did that? Batista. Convincing both the far left and the far right that he was really on their side, or fucking 14-year-olds? Or both? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/22 "2014-03-02T06:54:03Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Also, I don’t think the Communists really believed Batista was one of them: they supported him because they were under Soviet discipline, which held that Cuba wasn’t ready for a revolution. Of course it was, if Russia was in 1917. ---
**Author:** ![Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynhildr_Budladottir)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/23 "2014-03-02T09:36:41Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > **Morwen** Peron did it better. Batista was overthrown eventually: Peron died in office, having successfully won back the presidency after 18 years of exile. > > Also, I don’t think the Communists really believed Batista was one of them: they supported him because they were under Soviet discipline, which held that Cuba wasn’t ready for a revolution. The Montoneros really did believe that Peron was a man of the left, right up until his widow unleashed the death squads on them. But Batista did implement some leftist policies in his first term as president-- he built TB clinics and encouraged alnd reform. It was only later than he became more of a tinpot. That’s my main basis for saying that he also did that, although with a lot less success than Peron. ---
**Author:** ![Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynhildr_Budladottir)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/24 "2014-03-02T11:12:00Z")
> [@Morwen Edhelwen](#): > > But Batista did implement some leftist policies in his first term as president-- he built TB clinics and encouraged alnd reform. It was only later than he became more of a tinpot. > That’s my main basis for saying that he also did that, although with a lot less success than Peron. _land_. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/25 "2014-03-03T07:16:04Z")
> [@Morwen Edhelwen](#): > > \*? > (Personal anecdote) > > Nine years ago when I was in Year 10 my history class went on a trip to the Sydney Jewish Museum as part of our unit on Genocide. I have a mild disability and I ended up walking around the museum with our teacher (because it meant I wouldn’t have to walk too much). Somehow she (the teacher) and I ended up talking about Eva and Juan Peron and she said that Eva Peron was a fascist. She said Juan was a fascist because of “the laws he passed.” > > Now for the point of this debate: > > Googling “eva peron fascist” turns up loads of sites which claim that Eva and Juan had a large numbered bank account in Switzerland where a percentage of donations to Eva’s charity were deposited and used to fund their lavish lifestyle and purchase her huge designer wardrobe and jewellery collection, also that Juan was an anti-Semite who allowed Nazis into the country and supported Hitler. The one about the Nazis is true and I know he supported Mussolini, but _Hitler_? > > Also I was under the impression that the Swiss bank account rumour was just that: a rumour. > > But were the Perons fascists? What’s the evidence they were or weren’t? Personally I’m leaning towards “Eva wasn’t a fascist but Juan was”. Or at least he was a Mussolini sympathiser) Being a fascist doesn’t necessarily make one a Nazi sympathizer. National Socialism was the German brand of fascism-loosely interpreted. When most people think of fascists, they erroneously consider fascists the party that put all of the Jews in the gas chambers, or else, use the word as a common label for people that they don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynhildr_Budladottir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/26 "2014-03-03T09:23:09Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Being a fascist doesn’t necessarily make one a Nazi sympathizer. National Socialism was the German brand of fascism-loosely interpreted. When most people think of fascists, they erroneously consider fascists the party that put all of the Jews in the gas chambers, or else, use the word as a common label for people that they don’t like. On the other side of the coin, a politician can also admire a fascist without being a follower of fascist philosophy. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/27 "2014-03-03T13:28:20Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Being a fascist doesn’t necessarily make one a Nazi sympathizer. National Socialism was the German brand of fascism-loosely interpreted. When most people think of fascists, they erroneously consider fascists the party that put all of the Jews in the gas chambers, or else, use the word as a common label for people that they don’t like. A couple of European regimes generally described as fascist - Dollfuss in Austria and Metaxas in Greece- were in fact resolutely anti-Nazi, and went down unsuccessfully fighting the Nazi takeover. ---
**Author:** ![Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Brynhildr\_Budladottir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynhildr_Budladottir)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014/28 "2014-03-04T09:37:19Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > A couple of European regimes generally described as fascist - Dollfuss in Austria and Metaxas in Greece- were in fact resolutely anti-Nazi, and went down unsuccessfully fighting the Nazi takeover. That’s interesting- consider my ignorance fought! I didn’t even _know_ about Dollfuss! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-eva-and-juan-peron-really-nazi-sympathisers/682014.md?page=1)