# Were you surprised by the backlash from Kaepernick, other athletes kneeling vs. the public **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146 "2019-10-22T17:20:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/61 "2019-10-23T15:40:14Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I do like the irony in the idea that we should listen to the views of some minor league hockey coach because he’s also a cop… _when Kaepernick was protesting how Black Americans are treated by cops._ He doesn’t want his players doing what Rapinoe and Kaepernick did, kneel. When you are a coach of a team, you can bench your players if they want. It’s the _coaches’_ team. Yes, he is a cop. He probably doesn’t think that police brutality exists. And no, not all cops are evil. You need a functioning police force, a force that has mutual respect between citizens and the police. But people like Krupinsky sees things his way, which he has the right to, it’s his way. Kap started a conversation, he is getting it. I don’t think he will ever play again. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/62 "2019-10-23T15:46:34Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I can’t imagine having enough time on my hands that I could be concerned with what other people do during the national anthem. Stand, sit, salute, flip it off, or masturbate like a motherfucker- I just don’t care what you do. It’s all freedom of expression. People died in combat so that we could be free to act how we want, not free to act how anyone else demands us to. > > Of course I wasn’t surprised. **Far too much flag worship and military worship in the US.** Nothing wrong with respecting the service of those who served, but it is a bit too much at sporting events. Former New York Giants head coach and current Jacksonville Jaguars executive Tom Coughlin, a nonsense white executive, did want Kap on his team, probably because of his son and 9/11, as the article below will tell you. Coughlin is known for a tough personality. > **[Tom Coughlin: I'm not interested in Colin Kaepernick and I won't explain why](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/tom-coughlin-im-not-interested-in-colin-kaepernick-and-i-wont-explain-why)** > > Jaguars owner Shad Khan is one of the few NFL owners who will explicitly state that he's willing to have Colin Kaepernick on his football team. > **[Tom Coughlin and son remember 9/11](https://www.espn.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/30241/tom-coughlin-remembers-sept-11-2001)** > > EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Tom Coughlin remembers that Sept. 11, 2001 was a Tuesday, and he remembers that for the kind of reason you’d expect the New York Giants' head coach to remember something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/63 "2019-10-23T15:48:44Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > **On top of that, the kneeling was something he decided to do after consulting with an actual combat veteran.** What pisses me off also is the condemnation of the protestors for daring to protest, said condemnation painting them as anti-military and thus anti-America. In reality they are displaying the best of American values, to wit protesting injustice. > > And kneeling is not disrespectful unless it’s a Black person doing it in such a manner it points out the flaws of the privileged to the privileged. True, Nate Boyer. But everyone sees things differently. > **[Must Reads: The ex-Green Beret who inspired Colin Kaepernick to kneel instead...](https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-kaepernick-kneel-boyer-20180916-story.html)** > > The fact that it was Colin Kaepernick and the San Francisco 49ers only made the situation worse. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/64 "2019-10-23T15:52:19Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > He doesn’t want his players doing what Rapinoe and Kaepernick did, kneel. > > When you are a coach of a team, you can bench your players if they want. It’s the _coaches’_ team. Yes and no. It’s actually the owner’s team. If the Seahawks sign Russel Wilson to $25M contract, I’m not sure they’d let Pete Carrol bench him for kneeling. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/65 "2019-10-23T15:54:08Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > …Former New York Giants head coach and current Jacksonville Jaguars executive Tom Coughlin, a nonsense white executive,… Uh, wut? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/66 "2019-10-23T16:03:43Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Uh, wut? In fairness, the OP’s english is way better than my russian. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/67 "2019-10-23T16:05:11Z")
(hee-hee) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/68 "2019-10-23T16:17:39Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Former New York Giants head coach and current Jacksonville Jaguars executive Tom Coughlin, a nonsense white executive, did want Kap on his team, probably because of his son and 9/11, as the article below will tell you. 9/11 isn’t the Ace of Trumps that wins every time it’s played. So an exec had a connection with the events of the day. Whoop-de-fucking doo. We’ve used 9/11 to invade an innocent country and destabilize the entire Middle East, we’ve used it to demonize a religion, we’ve used it to justify torture. Now some people want to use it to justify stifling free speech. You know what’s worse than 9/11? The way some people use it to unleash their inner monster. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/69 "2019-10-23T16:24:27Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > You need a functioning police force, a force that has mutual respect between citizens and the police. Yes, we do need to get us one of those. BTW, have you been following [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=736919) thread? ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/70 "2019-10-23T17:03:58Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > 9/11 isn’t the Ace of Trumps that wins every time it’s played. So an exec had a connection with the events of the day. Whoop-de-fucking doo. We’ve used 9/11 to invade an innocent country and destabilize the entire Middle East, we’ve used it to demonize a religion, we’ve used it to justify torture. Now some people want to use it to justify stifling free speech. You know what’s worse than 9/11? The way some people use it to unleash their inner monster. True, but 9/11 was a big event. Not everyone has to agree with Kaepernick. Kneeling is better than any other protest but Coughlin and Tortorella don’t want that in their locker rooms. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/71 "2019-10-23T17:09:52Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > True, but 9/11 was a big event. Which is why people tend to bring it up, even though it has no relevance, as some sort of bolstering of their argument. > [@](#): > > Not everyone has to agree with Kaepernick. Not everyone does > [@](#): > > Kneeling is better than any other protest but Coughlin and Tortorella don’t want that in their locker rooms. What’s that have to do with the NFL? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/72 "2019-10-23T17:15:23Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > He doesn’t want his players doing what Rapinoe and Kaepernick did, kneel. > > When you are a coach of a team, you can bench your players if they want. It’s the _coaches’_ team. Just because a coach doesn’t mean he has his head screwed on straight. Plus, only an idiot brings politics into sports – you must stand to be patriotic and honor our military and cops – and then also say that politics has no place in sports. > [@](#): > > Yes, he is a cop. He probably doesn’t think that police brutality exists. So you agree he’s an idiot. > [@](#): > > I don’t think he will ever play again. MLK was arrested many dozens of times for not following the rules, and ultimately he was murdered for it. Kaepernick didn’t bother anyone and his career was ended for it. Doesn’t make either one right. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/73 "2019-10-23T17:38:08Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Nothing wrong with respecting the service of those who served, but it is a bit too much at sporting events. This I agree. When I am at game, I want only to sit in bleachers eating famous USA hot dog, and proudly wave flag of Old Glory at defeat of nemesis baseball team! ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/74 "2019-10-23T17:58:53Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > This I agree. When I am at game, I want only to sit in bleachers eating famous USA hot dog, and proudly wave flag of Old Glory at defeat of nemesis baseball team! You forget beautiful piece of pie apple! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/75 "2019-10-23T18:04:27Z")
> [@Any Independent Presidential candidates campaigning yet?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-independent-presidential-candidates-campaigning-yet/841438/2): > > I am a Independent voter who is disillusioned with both political parties. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > This I agree. When I am at game, I want only to sit in bleachers eating famous USA hot dog, and proudly wave flag of Old Glory at defeat of nemesis baseball team! [Constantine voice] Nailed it [/cv] ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/76 "2019-10-23T18:07:32Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > You forget beautiful piece of pie apple! with american cheese! ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/77 "2019-10-23T18:13:40Z")
I don’t like baseball at all. I expect to shortly become a victim of your cultural war about culture. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/78 "2019-10-23T18:15:28Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Just because a coach doesn’t mean he has his head screwed on straight. > > Plus, only an idiot brings politics into sports – you must stand to be patriotic and honor our military and cops – and then also say that politics has no place in sports. > > **So you agree he’s an idiot.** > MLK was arrested many dozens of times for not following the rules, and ultimately he was murdered for it. Kaepernick didn’t bother anyone and his career was ended for it. Doesn’t make either one right. Yes, I agree he is an idiot. Krupinsky is the types that don’t want to admit that they are policing problems. Krupinsky, not only a cop and a hockey coach, but a police union president will be honored by Fox Nation this weekend. Yes, he is an idiot, but I see why he is anti-kneeling. If I were on his team, I’d just stand for the anthem than to face his wrath. I know Kap and him would be at odds, and Kaepernick would probably be cut from the team. > **[Danbury's Viral Rant Hockey Coach to be Honored by Fox](https://patch.com/connecticut/danbury/danburys-viral-rant-hockey-coach-be-honored-fox)** > > The Danbury coach became a local and social media folk hero when he warned his team against "taking a knee" in a video gone viral. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/79 "2019-10-23T18:22:01Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I don’t like baseball at all. I expect to shortly become a victim of your cultural war about culture. It’s not my cultural war, it’s America’s. Baseball has been pro-anthem for decades; very few baseball managers approved of Kap’s stance. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146/80 "2019-10-23T18:22:03Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Yes, I agree he is an idiot. > > Krupinsky is the types that don’t want to admit that they are policing problems. > > Krupinsky, not only a cop and a hockey coach, but a police union president will be honored by Fox Nation this weekend. > > Yes, he is an idiot, but I see why he is anti-kneeling. > > If I were on his team, I’d just stand for the anthem than to face his wrath. I know Kap and him would be at odds, and Kaepernick would probably be cut from the team. > > [Danbury's Viral Rant Hockey Coach to be Honored by Fox | Danbury, CT Patch](https://patch.com/connecticut/danbury/danburys-viral-rant-hockey-coach-be-honored-fox) Comrade, are you trying to stir up some racial controversy as we head into an election year? This has been a quiet issue since the last election, and for some reason you want to start talking about it again. As I said before, the NFL and the Players have come to terms over this, and there is no current controversy We’re all happy and in love here in the USA, uniting against corruption and quid pro quos. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-you-surprised-by-the-backlash-from-kaepernick-other-athletes-kneeling-vs-the-public/842146.md?page=5)