# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2001 "2007-04-09T00:37:22Z")
Well, he did say “sane”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2002 "2007-04-09T01:00:00Z")
Well, based on the role claim, I feel it is best to unvote MonkeyMensch and vote FlyingCowOfDoom. Regardless of his true role, we’ll gain much needed information. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2003 "2007-04-09T01:07:19Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] First of all, I disagree that the Doctor should protect BM. He should choose randomly between the two of you to keep the Mafia guessing. And if he’s been protecting himself recently, well, I guess he has to choose randomly between the 3 of you. Second, once the SK is dead, we don’t need to worry about protecting BM. Getting rid of the SK quickly will make our Doctor’s life much easier. Our Vig, BM, thinks that he has a bead on the SK, hocow. I say, let him try that out. Third, it’s possible that this is a clever ruse by the Mafia. It’s even possible that BM is Mafia and is in on this. Perhaps we should lynch FCoD, and if he’s scum, let BM pursue **hocow**. If FCoD is town, BM kills **pimaspinner**. On the other hand, if **pimaspinner** was merely unlucky instead of lying, then we’re down another 2 townspeople, one of them a beat cop. Which leads to my next question: Fourth, I have a question for NAF1138. Let’s say that **cowgirl** was Town, and a beat cop investigated her, but lost their coin flip and got the wrong alignment(say Mafia). Suppose that beat cop investigates her again. If the beat cop again loses their coin flip and gets the wrong alignment, is your answer randomly determined again, or do you automatically give the same wrong answer you gave last time(ie Mafia)? [/QUOTE] Good point about the Doctor. I hadn’t thought of that. By all means let’s keep them guessing. I agree that the Vig target should be hocow. \*\*FCOD \*\* will either be Mafia or Miller, unless I was incredibly unlucky in my choice of coin flip. If it turns out he is really town, then by all means lynch me. My logic and strategery skills aren’t good enough to try to make this up. Just trying to play a straight up game has been hard. 😃 It is my understanding that each time a person is investigated the answers are independent, and I don’t automatically get the same wrong answer if I choose the wrong flip. I could investigate the same person 7 times and get 7 different answers. That I got the same answer 2 nights in a row leads me to believe they were right, and I can assume \*\*FCOD \*\* is either Mafia or Miller. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2004 "2007-04-09T01:21:28Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Well, he did say “sane”. 😉 [/QUOTE] I’d sort of forgotten about that episode in the last game, but yeah, I’m making the possibly unwarranted assumption that everybody is going to act in a rational manner to benefit their side, because anything else makes my brain hurt worse than it already does. I’m a “she,” by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2005 "2007-04-09T01:23:13Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] No way! You seem to be trying to save **FCOD**.That, among other posts of yours, has you high on my scum list. The most telling of which is when you invited **Jsexton** to fill in for **chrisk**.Which makes **Jsexton** scum also,along with **Auto**. I vote FlyingCow Vig Jsexton _\ FF_ After **Jsexton** is killed,I believe it will be clear that **Fern** is scum. [/QUOTE] Well if you believe that either a possible miller or doc protection might save FCOD, or that **Blaster Master** might choose not to target who he gets told then I can see how you might believe that. I assume if we ask the VG to kill **FCOD** tonight death is certain. The only problem I see with conditionals is that the person who gets voted to be killed over night wont know for certain that their death will occur tonight until the sun has set and we are no longer allowed to discuss any strategy. This might force an unneccessary claim. Although with the choices tonight being **JSexton** and **pimaspinner** one who I’m pretty sure is vanilla and another who has already claimed I guess it’s a moo point. Lynch FCOD Pun intended. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2006 "2007-04-09T01:31:11Z")
Well damn. Ok. unvote pimaspinner Lynch FCOD And since FCOD was my vig kill target, ummm going to go with Assassinate Suburban Plankton ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2007 "2007-04-09T01:31:18Z")
Unvote Pimaspinner Lynch FlyingCowofDoom If FlyingCowofDoom is not Mafia, Vig to kill Pimaspinner. If FlyingCowofDoom is Mafia or the miller, Vig to kill Malacandra. What if \*\*FCD \*\*claims to be the Miller? Should we spare him? I think we shouldn’t. Sure we are taking a gamble, but it is with better odds than we ever had before. Why Vig kill **Malacandra**? Good question. Check out post [1744](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8432497&postcount=1744). Read the exchange between \*\*hocow \*\*and **Malacandra** : [QUOTE=Malacandra] > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **hocow** > But you still won’t give any justification for your accusation? Call it a hunch. My reluctance to explain further involves not exposing another player to harm. That could get me lynched, but I’m sitting tight and viewing that as a better outcome for the town. “Better” in the sense of the town lynching me could save a power role from getting scumkilled, you understand. And if my hunch is wrong, well, that happens. [/QUOTE] The reasoning for \*\*Malacandra \*\* to be suspicious of **hocow** is too shady. What role could he have possibly picked up on that none of us have? ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2008 "2007-04-09T01:33:16Z")
Day 3 votes 9 - FCOD – (Storyteller, fretful, glee, kat, MTS, menecchio, hocow, fernforest, queuing, lakai Unvote – (storyteller 4 -JSexton – (Zuma, FCOD, suburban plankton, fretful, rysto, sturmhauke Unvoyte – (zuma, Fretful 2 - Suburban plankton – (starvingbutstrong, Jsexton, autolycus Unvote – (autolycus 2 –MonkeyMensch - (Aguecheek, MTS, hocow Unvote – (MTS 1 - Pimaspinner – (Lakai, pygmy rugger, story, zuma, queuing, glee, kat Unvote – (pygmy, fern, zuma, kat, glee, queuing, lakai 1 - Fernforest – (brewha 1 - Kivvik – (fretful Unvote – (fretful 1 – Sturmhauke – (fernforest) Unovte – (fernforest 1 – MTS – (Autolycus 0 - Queuing – (Monkey Unvote – (monkey 0 – Glee – (pimaspinner Unovte – (pima 0 – Ryston – (Pimaspinner Unvote - Pima 0 -PygmyRugger – (MadTheSwine Unovte – (MTS ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2009 "2007-04-09T02:11:37Z")
You need to close those parentheses, **Queuing**! (Sorry, but as a Punctuation Nazi, it drives me batty. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2010 "2007-04-09T02:22:22Z")
Hokey smokes. Ok, let’s get the obvious out of the way: vote **FCOD**. However, \*\*FCOD \*\* voted to ice **JSexton** , so I’m not sure he’s the best choice for the vig kill. Unfortunately, I have no suggestion for that… ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2011 "2007-04-09T02:27:27Z")
Might as well get the clock started, FCOD. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2012 "2007-04-09T02:43:15Z")
**Hocow** - Malacandra, Rysto **If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill JSexton. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not mafia, kill Pimaspinner** - Glee, Menocchio **If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill hocow. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not mafia, kill Pimaspinner** - Lakai **JSexton** - MadTheSwine \*\*FlyingCowOfDoom \*\* - Storyteller **Suburban Plankon** - Queuing I did not put my vote in there because I’m about to change it. If you look at my voting record, everyone with the exception of \*\*Queuing \*\*claimed a role. I’m not liking this and I’m not enjoying my current suspicion of **Malacandra**. Therefore: If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill hocow. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not mafia, kill Pimaspinner. **Malacandra** , if you can, tell me why I shouldn’t vote for **hocow**. Those of you not voting in conditionals better start. It’s the latest Doperville trend. You don’t want to seem uncool, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2013 "2007-04-09T02:51:08Z")
Well, I’ll change my Vig vote. I’m not going to vote for FCoD yet just in case we need to back out and restart the clock. If Day 2 taught us anything, it was to be ready for anything. If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill JSexton. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not mafia, kill Pimaspinner ---
**Author:** ![kivvik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/cdc98d/32.png) [@kivvik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kivvik)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2014 "2007-04-09T02:55:43Z")
Heck no I don’t want to be seen as uncool! So… Vote FCOD Vig kill - If Mafia, then kill hocow. If Town, then kill pimaspinner. This is by no means set in stone! I want to see more **JSexton** posting first, and a defense by **hocow** since they are the current top targets. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2015 "2007-04-09T03:00:40Z")
If \*\*FCOD \*\* is Mafia or Miller, Vig kill **hocow**. If \*\*FCOD \*\* is not Mafia or Miller, Vig kill **me**. Seems fair. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2016 "2007-04-09T03:02:35Z")
ok, I haven’t been home all day, but have been checking in periodically on my phone. Please forgive the lack of spell check and coding. Go with Queings latest vote count as the last official one and let t be known that the 12 hour countdown has started. So round abouts 7:22 am pst the night will end. SMITTY: you have 12 hours to make three posts or I will start looking for a sub for you. In answer to the question about the beat cop, the answer is random every time. Ok I will keep checking tonight and will make another post by 9am pst tomorrow at the very very latest. If the night ends at 7: 22 that morning the same rules apply as last time. The night starts even if I am not arrounf to announce it. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2017 "2007-04-09T03:11:33Z")
Well, shit! I come back from Easter to this? I’m probably a goner at this point, but I’ll try to save myself. **I AM A MILLER.** This role kinda sucks. I knew **pima** was a cop since the beginning, as he kept FoSing me for no reason. Anyway, I don’t really have a lot of time as I have to be up really early for work tomorrow. Lynching me won’t really help us find any scum…it’d be better to kill someone that isn’t possibly a Miller. Remember, Millers always show up as Mafia to cops (assuming their investigation is correct). Anyway, I’ll just post my list of blocks and hope that I’m still alive in the morning. Night 1 - I blocked **Queuing**. Since it didn’t affect the kills that night, he isn’t the SK or the Vig. Night 2 - I blocked **Malacandra**. Since there were only two kills that night, I thought maybe I had hit something. As I’ve previously stated, I think having the Vig around right now is beneficial, so I didn’t say anything. Night 3 - I blocked **Malacandra** a second time. Since the Vig killed \*\*Winston \*\*and the SK killed **nesta** , I conclude that \*\*Malacandra \*\*isn’t the Vig or SK. It’s possible that \*\*Malacandra \*\*is in the Mafia and I blocked the Mafia kill on the second night, but I doubt it. I really have no way to prove anything, so I’ll just leave it at that. I am perfectly willing to use my ability as instructed by the town if I’m alive tomorrow. –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2018 "2007-04-09T03:12:48Z")
This should be what color? Orange? If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill hocow. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not Mafia or The Miller, kill Pimaspinner. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2019 "2007-04-09T03:16:55Z")
_throws hands up in the air_ I’m in the corner if anyone wants me. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2020 "2007-04-09T03:18:58Z")
Even though FCD claimed to be The Miller, lynching him is our best bet. It is exactly what a mafioso would have claimed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=102)