# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 104
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2061 "2007-04-09T04:48:50Z")
For the love of… UNVOTE PEOPLE! This is hard enough as it is **VOTE COUNT** 10- Flying Cow of Doom - (Fretful Porpentine, glee, MtS, hocow, fernforest, Queuing, lakai, ArizonaTeach, Pygmy Rugger, kivvik) 4- Fern Forest - (brewha, JSexton, pimmaspinner, kat) 4- JSexton - (FCoD, Suburban Plankton, Rysto, sturmhauke) 2- Suburban Plankton - (StarvingButStrong, Blaster Master) 1- pimaspinner - (Storyteller0910) Also, if FCoD does get the clock stopped, the day ends tomorrow at 5pm PST not 12pm. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2062 "2007-04-09T04:50:58Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] …you know, I don’t actually see a down side to that. It tests for the case that FCOD is telling the truth, and is self-correcting if he’s lying. The only potential downside I can see is if FCOD is the Godfather and thus vig-proof…but then, pimaspinner wouldn’t have gotten guilties on him, right? I think that’s a brilliant idea. [/QUOTE] This also stops the clock and lets us think about our second target. If FCOD dies and turns out to be town, we lynch pima tomorrow right? I’ll won’t vote yet, I want to see if smarter folks can find a downside to this. If not, then we just flip our Vig and lynch votes and have no conditionals. FCOD will be targeted at the hands of the Vig tonight and whoever we wanted to Vig kill if FCOD turned out to be mafia or the miller will be lynched at dusk. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2063 "2007-04-09T04:51:39Z")
Is it “of doom”? I assume all the counting agencies know what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2064 "2007-04-09T04:56:52Z")
It’s funny. Now I know how Winston must have felt. I want to help the town but right now I think any suggestion I make might actually hurt the town. So I’m actually going to shut up. _Pause for applause_ I’m still reading and will address any questions directed at me till I go to bed. If I have time in the morning I will do so then as well. If you would like to understand how I’ve played the game so far I can give you that. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2065 "2007-04-09T04:59:45Z")
For now, I’m inclined to believe **Fern Forest** is simply misguided. I’m still trying to understand how **Suburban Plankton** fell out of favor as a prime suspect? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2066 "2007-04-09T05:01:17Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] I’ll won’t vote yet, I want to see if smarter folks can find a downside to this. [/QUOTE] When I posted this I did not read page 42. I guess there is already a trend. Unvote FCOD. Vote Vote Fern Forest.. Vig Kill FCOD. Now if **Blaster Master** is somehow mafia, we will know if his hit of \*\*FCOD \*\*goes through and we see \*\*FCOD \*\*is the miller. Damn this plan is good. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2067 "2007-04-09T05:01:18Z")
Agh… pressed post too early. If I’m going to be testing the **pimaspinner/FCOD** angle; we need to get some serious unvoting and revoting going on. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2068 "2007-04-09T05:11:14Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] For now, I’m inclined to believe **Fern Forest** is simply misguided. I’m still trying to understand how **Suburban Plankton** fell out of favor as a prime suspect? [/QUOTE] **Blaster Master** , can you recap for us why you think **Suburban Plankton** is a better target? If **Fern Forest** really is a misguided townie ala **Winston Smith** , then I wouldn’t want to kill her. Right now her posts are very suspicious, (but then again so were mine I guess). Unless I am convinced otherwise, my vote will stand. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2069 "2007-04-09T05:23:05Z")
We haven’t heard from Pleonast in a couple of days. I’d be interested in hearing his take on all this. If he has been out of town, he’ll have a lot to catch up on. And yes, Blaster Master, we are running out of time. If this plan is going to work, the unvoting needs to happen quickly. Poor NAF with all the voting and unvoting and Vig Killing and such. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2070 "2007-04-09T05:38:35Z")
Ok, I see it from your guys perspective now. While I still think it would net a mobster I understand why it would look bad to other townfolk. And I’d like to appologize to **JSexton**. Essentially what I was doing was using your death to kill Sturmhauke and prove my towniness. While I believe it would do the former I understand it wouldn’t do the later. And I would look really weasily while I did it. Heh-heh, almost akin to drowning women to see if they float or sink. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2071 "2007-04-09T05:40:18Z")
Along with more than a few others who were away: Wow! It’s like missing a soap opera for a week. Thanks for the update **JSexton**. And lynch FCoD. And so to bed. With the prospect of an interesting day ahead of us all. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2072 "2007-04-09T05:41:14Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] **Blaster Master** , can you recap for us why you think **Suburban Plankton** is a better target? If **Fern Forest** really is a misguided townie ala **Winston Smith** , then I wouldn’t want to kill her. Right now her posts are very suspicious, (but then again so were mine I guess). Unless I am convinced otherwise, my vote will stand. [/QUOTE] Namely, the series of posts starting with [1804](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435253&postcount=1804) where he was suggesting that the town should not suggest my target. He defended it for several posts: [1810](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435304&postcount=1810) and [1812](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435326&postcount=1812) and [1867](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8437144&postcount=1867). Then, in post [1873](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8437489&postcount=1873) he back steps, but never really gives a good justification. Even despite that, here’s what I find most interesting. A COMPLETE reversal of position in 6 posts. Here’s a quote from post 1867 followed by a quote from 1873: [QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] If he were truly doing the town’s bidding, that would be one thing, but I don’t think that is the case. I think that he and the Mafia (which he may or may not be part of) are manipulating the “Vigilante voting” to suit their own ends. I think that the town only has _ **an illusion** _ that they are in control of Blaster Master, and that is the problem. If he were truly doing what the good townspeople wanted, that would be fine. If he is not, then he is a liability. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] Although I voiced the theory that Blaster Master _might_ be Mafia, I do think (and I said at the time) that it is most likely that he is actually the Vigilante. I can understand why the “real” Vigilante (if there is one) would remain silent at this point; he might not want to put a target on his back by coming out while the town is so far in the whole. But that theory only holds water for so long. [/QUOTE] It looks to me like in 1867 he’s still trying to push the idea that I’m mafia… fine, okay, I can deal with that, because I haven’t cleared my name completely yet. Either way, it looks like he thinks it’s more likely that I’m mafia than the vigilante; but just six posts later, it changes from “most likely mafia” to “might be scum, but most likely vigilante”. Either way, it looks to me like he couldn’t keep his story straight after the town started to put the pressure on him. Even more interesting, he WAS the leading vote getter at one point, and after he started collecting votes, he said he’d “shut up for a while”. Meanwhile, he let’s pimaspinner and FCOD pick up some votes and cause distractions, and he posts two more “seemingly helpful” posts. [One about whether we should lynch the SK if we discover him](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8438304&postcount=1889) and [one that is a vague defense of **FCOD**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443028&postcount=1991) before he claimed miller. Regardless, I think **Suburban Plankton** ’s “suggestion” is at least as fishy as **Fern Forest** ’s and **Suburban Plankton** has been pinging my scum-dar since the first day, just never enough to put him high on my lynch list… until today, while \*\*Fern Forest \*\* has seemed pretty clean to me until just recently. ---
**Author:** ![kivvik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/cdc98d/32.png) [@kivvik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kivvik)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2073 "2007-04-09T05:49:28Z")
**zuma** has a great idea, and I’d like to take my part in it. Unvote FCoD No Vote yet, but wanted to stop the timer, which might have worked, but MM voted in the meantime =/ Vig FCoD ---
**Author:** ![kivvik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/cdc98d/32.png) [@kivvik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kivvik)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2074 "2007-04-09T06:02:21Z")
Nevermind, just went back and recounted. **FCoD** should be at 9 votes now, so the timer is off. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2075 "2007-04-09T06:03:18Z")
I think we should keep this simple, folks. Things are getting murky,lotsa smoke screens getting thrown in the mix.Lets lynch **FCOD** and and decide on a vig kill. I think it is very,very unlikely **FCOD** is a miller. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2076 "2007-04-09T06:12:12Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] I think we should keep this simple, folks. Things are getting murky,lotsa smoke screens getting thrown in the mix.Lets lynch **FCOD** and and decide on a vig kill. I think it is very,very unlikely **FCOD** is a miller. [/QUOTE] Does anyone else get the feeling that we are on to something with the plan? If \*\*MadTheSwine \*\* is scum, he would know that \*\*FCOD \*\* is not a miller and is sacraficing him so they don’t lose 2 members when we lynch one, and \*\*FCOD \*\* can’t block the Vig kill. ---
**Author:** ![kivvik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/cdc98d/32.png) [@kivvik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kivvik)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2077 "2007-04-09T06:38:22Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] I think we should keep this simple, folks. Things are getting murky,lotsa smoke screens getting thrown in the mix.Lets lynch **FCOD** and and decide on a vig kill. I think it is very,very unlikely **FCOD** is a miller. [/QUOTE] It is unlikely. That is why we are going to let **FCoD** decide their fate tonight. If they are the Miller, they live by blocking BM. If not, they die a horrible death and we dance the next day, assuming, as certainly seems to be the case, that **FCoD** is scum. So that actually makes it simpler. We have our Vig target, let us decide upon a Lynch target. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2078 "2007-04-09T06:38:49Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] Does anyone else get the feeling that we are on to something with the plan? If \*\*MadTheSwine \*\* is scum, he would know that \*\*FCOD \*\* is not a miller and is sacraficing him so they don’t lose 2 members when we lynch one, and \*\*FCOD \*\* can’t block the Vig kill. [/QUOTE] I misunderstood what was going on,so we are gonna lynch someone else and the VIG kills **FCOD** no matter what,correct? (unless he is a miller… which again ,I highly doubt…I can’t be the only one to think that) ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2079 "2007-04-09T06:39:25Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] Does anyone else get the feeling that we are on to something with the plan? If \*\*MadTheSwine \*\* is scum, he would know that \*\*FCOD \*\* is not a miller and is sacraficing him so they don’t lose 2 members when we lynch one, and \*\*FCOD \*\* can’t block the Vig kill. [/QUOTE] I concur. Really, **MTS** , how is it “too complicated”? My VIG target is simple: if FCOD dies, then **FCOD** is either not miller (probably mafia, or desperate townie) and thus failed to block me, or the mafia targetted him figuring he really was the miller, and dies even though he blocked me. Either way, by me targetting him, it potentially confirms **pimaspinner** , **FCOD** , and helps make my role a lot clearer. What’s “so complicated about that?” “Best” case (that is, where everyone is telling the truth), we get two confirmed townies and my VIG kill isn’t potentially wasted on a townie; “worst” case we get one confirmed townie, and my VIG kill is used on scum. It really looks like the new lynch target is the only “complicated” part of this plan. Do we lynch **JSexton** , **Fern Forest** , (if I had my way) **Suburban Plankton** , or someone else entirely? We don’t have much time to figure out, but we really need to get some votes moved soon to avoid the day ending on us with **FCOD** having the most votes. That is, I’m willing to vote **Fern Forest \*\* or** JSexton \*\* instead of who I think is the most likely scum, **Suburban Plankton** , if it will prevent us from lynching **FCOD**. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2080 "2007-04-09T06:42:36Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] I misunderstood what was going on,so we are gonna lynch someone else and the VIG kills **FCOD** no matter what,correct? (unless he is a miller… which again ,I highly doubt…I can’t be the only one to think that) [/QUOTE] Yes, it seems to be a strong consensus that Zuma’s idea is a very good one; but it will only work if we can get the votes off of FCOD and onto someone else that we think is scum. We have three or four other potentials, so pick a target and have at it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=103) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=105)