# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2081 "2007-04-09T06:51:08Z")
Alright…I’m with you fellas… unvote FCOD Unvig Jsexton VIG FCOD ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2082 "2007-04-09T07:05:22Z")
Sheesh - too little sleep and straight back here. :eek: Well I used to be a programmer… If (Flying Cow of Doom is a Miller) AND (Blaster Master is the Vigilante); then lynch ‘someone else’ and get Blaster Master to ‘take out’ Flying Cow of Doom - who cunningly uses his own power to ‘block’ his death. :smack: And if the Mafia kill Flying Cow of Doom, we learn about the Miller, thus helping us with future deductions. Since (we don’t have a lot of time) AND (Fern Forest has posted some mildly dodgy stuff) AND (Fern Forest has not claimed a Town role): Unvote Flying Cow of Doom Lynch Fern Forest Vig Kill Flying Cow of Doom P.S. If for some odd reason the Mafia or the SK ‘off’ me tonight, please reread my post 1993, where I suggest Suburban Plankton is Mafia. Here is [post 1993](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443047&postcount=1993) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2083 "2007-04-09T07:14:59Z")
Well, looks like the clock has stopped. At this point I have \*\*FCoD \*\* at 7 votes and **Fern Forest** at 6, \*\*JSexton \*\* at 4 **Suburban Plankton** at 2. MTS and pimmaspinner each have one vote. I am going to bed I will give you an update in the morning. **SMITTY** , you really should start posting. I have already started looking for potential replacements. You have between 12 and 17 hours to get back in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2084 "2007-04-09T07:51:51Z")
Alright I’m heading to bed. I may be able to post in the morning but I may not. I fully expect to be dead when I get back from work so I’ll make this, my last will and final game post. Our three leading vote getters are myself, FCOD and JSexton. I agree that trying to kill FCOD tonight is a good move. JSexton is a better player then me and not nearly as damaged as I am. I, at least, am very certain he’s town and so out of those three I think it makes the most sense kill me. Allow me to explain how I played the game in case you folks are interested. Day 1 - My goals for the day were to cast a few accusations and see how people reacted. I cast one for Sturmhauke and was reasonably satisfied at the time. Another goal was to start up a conversation about the best way to play the roles, including offering targets to our night killers. I felt it was in the town’s interest that they had as much help as possible. Then Day 1 ended quickly. Day 2 - I tossed an accusation at Gadarene and received what I thought was a great response. I tossed another one at brewha and got a mediocre response. As the weekend wore on I thought we should begin turning up the heat so I switched my vote to Pleonast because I was suspicious of who he had on his trust lists. Later I began pushing people harder to start the timer on people and that got me my first vote but in jest. I wanted this because I thought we were acting too timidly because of Day 1. Then that day really exploded in complexity. All the people I thought were acting suspiciously turned out to be townies with power roles. Along the way chrisk burned out and I remembed that JSexton had voluntered to join so I tossed him a PM that he join. I argued he should have a days grace period on the belief that we have lots of mobster’s to kill, we should have more then a few suspects so it doesn’t really matter if we let him slide for a day. Day 3 - I started fairly lost. I thought a lot about odds and noticed that the group of previous players had been selected so as to have a higher concentration then when it started. I mentioned this in a poor manner and this got some people suspicious. brewha voted for me. Later I used that to come up with a vote for Sturmhauke. I’m very certain Rysto is town. Sturmhauke argued it but I was happy with things. When time began to get low I once again moved my vote to one of the higher vote getters that I found the most suspicious. Yet again there was a claim for townie power role. I suggested FCOD be lynched at night so the town could work over another suspect and then FCOD claimed. Here my thoughts were we have 9 people to kill, I’m assuming 8 mobsters and 1 SK. Why rush to judgement on one when there are many others out there hiding. My thoughts were that FCOD can’t run away nor will she ever not be suspected, who cares if we kill her now or later? When we’re down to 2 or 3 mobsters left then we can look in her direction again. So I turned to the only real feud that seemed to be developing today, that of Sturmhauke’s accusation of JSexton. And like the offers of a one for one trade yesterday I made the suggestion. I failed to realize that not everyone thought it was as big of a deal as I did. And of course no other town folk know that I’m on their side, they only suspect. I also didn’t realize that it would work with me going first and then killing one of those two on conditions during the night. And well, the rest is history. Or at least it will be in a few hours. Good night all. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2085 "2007-04-09T08:05:31Z")
Of course I’m laying in bed and then I remember another major theme of my game play. Throughout the game I’ve tried to talk directly to the Serial Killer so that he knew that there was only one way he could reasonably achieve victory and that was by helping the town kill all the mobsters. I think I finally achieved that today. Ok, back to bed. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2086 "2007-04-09T08:46:13Z")
**Fern Forest** just strikes me as newb (I might change my mind with a re-read). FCOD gets tested with the vig. I will **Vote: JSexton** for now. I was cautious with my “vig kills FCOD to test the claim” proposal because while I thought it was the obvious thing to do, this is my first game ever and I’ve made mis-steps… Would it have been an obvious thing to do for an experienced player? JSexton posted after FCOD’s miller claim, but didn’t propose this. Again, maybe it would not have been obvious to an experienced player… if there are any experienced players here, let me know. Plus I’ve made a habit of voting Jsexton. He’s my new Queuing. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2087 "2007-04-09T08:50:24Z")
[QUOTE=Fern Forest] Here my thoughts were we have 9 people to kill, I’m assuming 8 mobsters and 1 SK. Why rush to judgement on one when there are many others out there hiding. My thoughts were that FCOD can’t run away nor will she ever not be suspected, who cares if we kill her now or later? When we’re down to 2 or 3 mobsters left then we can look in her direction again. [/QUOTE] We need to find out who is who. As soon as possible. If Flying Cow of Doom is the Miller, then the Town kill can be blocked. 🙂 If Flying Cow of Doom isn’t the Miller, then a Mafia dies. 🆒 How do you suggest we ‘get down to 2 or 3 mobsters’? 😕 [QUOTE=Fern Forest] Throughout the game I’ve tried to talk directly to the Serial Killer so that he knew that there was only one way he could reasonably achieve victory and that was by helping the town kill all the mobsters. [/quote] If the Serial Killer kills the Town down to the same number as the Mafia, then the Serial Killer wins. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2088 "2007-04-09T10:11:41Z")
Wow, I need to get to work but let me just throw this out there: I AM NOT SCUM. I don’t know how to prove it, because I am only a vanilla townie. I don’t have any special powers that will allow me to prove my role. So just take it as it is, and when I die you will see I’m not a Bad Guy. Appearantly I suck at this game because I scream scum when I’m town. Oy. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2089 "2007-04-09T10:31:11Z")
I don’t think you’re in any danger today, hocow, but you could help things out by unvoting FCOD. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2090 "2007-04-09T10:38:45Z")
By my count, those still needing to unvote FCOD are: **Hocow** **Fern Forest** **Queuing** **ArizonaTeach** **Pygmy Rugger** **MonkeyMensch** **Fretful Porcupine** ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2091 "2007-04-09T10:47:22Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] We could make a third option: If **FCoD** is Miller, vig-kill **Malacadra** , but that might make things too complicated. I really don’t have time tonight to go through the thread again. If someone offers a reasonable alternative lynch-vote, with evidence (links or quotes), I’d be happy to consider it, though. Or I could vote for **MadTheSwine** again. [/QUOTE] Eh? If **FCoD** _is_ the Miller, and thus validates his suggestive evidence that I am not the SK or Vig, kill me anyway? 😕 Apologies for the confusion earlier. I thought I spotted a cop shout-out straight after night 1 and didn’t want to call attention to it, especially with the Detective gone so early. You can well understand that in those circumstances it would be better for me to die than to yelp a cop’s name to save myself. I’ll explain myself if forced, but let the town carefully note who forces me. Up to now we seem to be settled on the theory that we should vig-kill **FCoD** on the assumption that he will save himself by blocking BM, and lynch… **Fern Forest**. That works for me. Sorry, but you have to be smoking something to have got this far into the game and not see that the SK can win the game by engineering a mob “victory”. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2092 "2007-04-09T10:51:22Z")
I am going to leave my vote with JSexton for the time being. I can’t decide if Fern Forest is making an ineffective smokescreen for his fellow scum, or just a really bad townie strategist. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2093 "2007-04-09T10:55:10Z")
I’m getting a little worried that FCOD is the miller, and JSexton was trying to keep the FCOD lynch going. If FCOD is indeed a miller (which we’ll know tonight), then the FCOD bandwagon implicates both JSexton and now Malacandra. I may be overthinking things. I am just not seeing the Fern Forest thing too much. I see a lot of people wanting to string her up tho. Whatever the result, we will know a lot more tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2094 "2007-04-09T10:59:23Z")
I’ll reiterate that I think we should lynch **JSexton** and evaluate Fern Forest tomorrow. If FCOD turns out to be a miller, Malacandra could be in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2095 "2007-04-09T11:12:49Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] I’ll reiterate that I think we should lynch **JSexton** and evaluate Fern Forest tomorrow. If FCOD turns out to be a miller, Malacandra could be in trouble. [/QUOTE] What? He [said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443672&postcount=2017) he blocked me and it didn’t affect the kill rate! ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2096 "2007-04-09T11:16:12Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] What? He [said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443672&postcount=2017) he blocked me and it didn’t affect the kill rate! [/QUOTE] Yeah, I’m over-thinking again. It’s possible, IF FCOD is the miller, you are mafia. I’ll take all that back. and see where we are at tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2097 "2007-04-09T11:23:57Z")
Apologies to Malacandra. Looks like it’s either JSexton or Fern Forest, or maybe Blaster can push through SP. In any event, FCOD needs to be unvoted. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2098 "2007-04-09T12:22:37Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] Eh? If **FCoD** _is_ the Miller, and thus validates his suggestive evidence that I am not the SK or Vig, kill me anyway? 😕 [/QUOTE] :smack: You’re absolutely right. I was thrown off of that by: [QUOTE=Menocchio] Now, if FCOD is indeed a miller: Malacandra, worth considering as a mafioso? Some more likely alternative possibilities, overlapping kills or doctor/GA intervention, but still certainly not a point in his favor. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2099 "2007-04-09T12:57:43Z")
God Dammit, STOP IT PEOPLE! unvote FCOD vote JSexton (I’m going with zuma) vig FCOD FOS firmly on MonkeyMensch for [trying to keep the clock](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8444080&postcount=2071) on FCOD well after the town started going another direction. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2100 "2007-04-09T12:57:44Z")
Even though I still think he’s scum unvote Suburban Plankton vote JSexton (chosen over FF basically because at least we know he isn’t a mason. This game is too complex for me.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=106)