# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2121 "2007-04-09T14:02:32Z")
And, FWIW, I will be targetting \*\*FCOD \*\* tonight (I don’t think a vote count is necessary, it looks pretty decisive in his “favor”. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2122 "2007-04-09T14:04:48Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] And, FWIW, I will be targetting \*\*FCOD \*\* tonight (I don’t think a vote count is necessary, it looks pretty decisive in his “favor”. [/QUOTE] That goes without saying. You target FCOD, FCOD will block you if FCOD is a miller. I’d like to hear Pleonast’s opinion soon of the goings on today ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2123 "2007-04-09T14:06:38Z")
Is anyone else getting the ooky feeling that we’re doing the same thing now that we did “yesterday”, just with a shorter time window? We were going along pretty well, having some rational discussion, then all of a sudden, people are at each other’s throats, names are getting tossed out left and right, the whole discussion devolves into finger pointing. We went, in pretty short order, from **pimaspinner** , to **Flying Cow Of Doom** , to **Fern Forest** and **JSexton**. Of those four, I think only JSexton was really high on anyone’s radar before. I think someone is steel tying to pull our strings, and generate as much confusion as possible, and once again we’re helping them along (myself included). Of the four names above, we know we have at least one scum, whether it be pimaspinner of FCOD. Right now, it’s a coinflip between them. Fern Forest certainly seems suspicious with the “lynch JSexton to prove I’m right about sturmhauke” idea, and I am still convinced that JSexton is Mafia. Maybe we get lucky and find three bad guys in this list. That would be a refreshing change. I’m heading to work, where I may or may not get the chance to post again before the Day is over. And I’m fully expecting at least one more role-claim before a lynching occurs. It seems to be the thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2124 "2007-04-09T14:09:03Z")
Pretty much a formality at this point, but: Unvote FlyingCowOfDoom Vig-kill FlyingCowOfDoom Vote JSexton ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2125 "2007-04-09T14:26:23Z")
[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] We went, in pretty short order, from **pimaspinner** , to **Flying Cow Of Doom** , to **Fern Forest** and **JSexton**. Of those four, I think only JSexton was really high on anyone’s radar before. I think someone is steel tying to pull our strings, and generate as much confusion as possible, and once again we’re helping them along (myself included) [/QUOTE] pima and FCOD claimed and are being tested tonight. That leaves JSexton and Fern Forest as the only real possibilities at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2126 "2007-04-09T14:32:18Z")
By my count: \*\*Jsexton \*\* - 11 - (FCOD, suburban plankton, Rysto, sturmhauke, menocchio, zuma, ArizonaTeach, StarvingButStrong, Blaster Master, Queuing, Fretful Porpentine) **Fern Forest** - 7 - (brewha, Jsexton, pimaspinner, kat, lakai, glee, malacandra) \*\*FCOD \*\* - 3 - (monkeymensch, hocow, pygmy rugger) \*\*pimaspinner \*\* - 1 - (storyteller) \*\*MadTheSwine \*\* - 1- (autolycus) I’m not sure if we are out of the zone where we have a countdown clock, but this day will be ending pretty soon. If no one has any objections, I will investigate **Suburban Plankton** tonight and post my result at daybreak if I don’t get killed in the night. I’m not completely sold that Jsexton is mafia, but since zuma is voting for him, he’s not a mason. Since I posted my claim, the people that have acted the most suspicious are **Fern Forest, MadTheSwine, and Suburban Plankton**. I hope to hear from \*\*Jsexton \*\* before the lynching. unvote Fern Forest will now be at 6 vote Jsexton will now be at 12 ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2127 "2007-04-09T14:34:42Z")
My understanding is that the Day will end at 5pm Eastern, which is a little under 6 and a half hours from now. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2128 "2007-04-09T14:44:28Z")
Just to reiterate, **FCoD** says he blocked me twice in a row and the kill count dropped once, which disallows any chance that I’m a loose cannon (unless he’s lying) but leaves a small chance that I’m scum. But you have to weight against that the very real possibility that the two-kill night saw **BM** targeted and Doctored - what with it being the night we were testing out **BM** and all. Heh, the more I manage to convince the town that I’m a Citizen, the more the scum will value my life. But at this time anything that gives them more people to go at can only be a good thing - if I die and the Vig and Miller come through OK, I’ll go contented to my rest. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2129 "2007-04-09T14:46:58Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] My understanding is that the Day will end at 5pm Eastern, which is a little under 6 and a half hours from now. [/QUOTE] I believe that it is 5pm pacific. Not that it matters, either way is less then 12. **Pimaspinner** I think it was a good idea for you to tell us who you are investigating, as it will allow the other beat cop to investigate one of the others, or Hocow (for SK). I know someone has suggested that the GA protect, but I think that is a bad idea because: > [@](#): > > Guardian Angel- A one shot deal. May chose 2 people to protect on a single night, but can only use this ability once. If investigated shows up as an Ordinary Citizen. Its a one shot deal, and shouldn’t be used now. Unfortunately it seems if the scum or SK want to kill you tonight BM, they can. IMO the cop is more important. Of course the other miller (if one exists) should block Hocow I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2130 "2007-04-09T14:56:03Z")
Ack! No more weekends away for me! FCOD[COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]JSexton FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2131 "2007-04-09T14:57:05Z")
Ack! No more weekends away for me! FCOD JSexton FCOD ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2132 "2007-04-09T15:12:01Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] My understanding is that the Day will end at 5pm Eastern, which is a little under 6 and a half hours from now. [/QUOTE] 5pm pacific. ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2133 "2007-04-09T15:12:31Z")
Lynch Fern Forest Vig FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2134 "2007-04-09T15:13:19Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Its a one shot deal, and shouldn’t be used now. Unfortunately it seems if the scum or SK want to kill you tonight BM, they can. IMO the cop is more important. Of course the other miller (if one exists) should block Hocow I suppose. [/QUOTE] If I am left unprotected, the mafia would be foolish not to kill me. Similarly, if \*\*pimaspinner \*\* is left unprotected, they would be foolish not to kill her. That said, we don’t want the mafia to kill EITHER of us, so it doesn’t make sense to tell the doctor to protect one or the other of us. Instead, the doctor should randomly choose between the two of us, and that way the mafia know that they have only a 50% chance (at best) of killing either of us, and thus they may decide to refrain from attacking either of us for a 100% chance at killing someone else, especially since they know whether or not **FCOD** is scum or not AND whether **Suburban Plankton** is scum or not. Of course, it’s still up to the doctor’s discretion who he values more, and he may decide something entirely different (since we have no idea who he protected the last two days and whether or not they were the likely targets of the mafia). Either way, as long as we can cast a good amount of doubt on who the mafia are thinking about targetting, they may change their minds. That said, if I do make it through the night alive, regardless of how **FCOD** shows up, if we can get at least one mafia kill tonight (between the lynch and the SK), it is time to start considering targetting the SK. That said, the mafia may actually want to leave me alive, because then they can also vote in my targets and with their information of who is mafia, we can possibly get on the trail of the SK (and then later analyze any crumbs they may have left by helping me target the SK to track down mafia). OR, since the SK is really their biggest threat at this point, maybe we can convince the mafia to go after a SK suspect, assuming they’re not mafia, like **hocow** , or someone else they find very suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2135 "2007-04-09T15:17:10Z")
13- JSexton - (FCoD, Suburban Plankton. Rysto, sturmhauke, zuma, ArizonaTeach, StarvingButStrong, Menocchio, Blaster Master, Queuing, Fretful Porpentine, pimmaspinner, Pygmy Rugger) 7- Fern Forest - (brewha, JSexton, kat, lakai, glee, Malacandra, Augecheek) 3- Flying Cow of Doom - (hocow, fernforest, Monkey Mench) 1- MadTheSwine - (Autolycus) 1- pimaspinner (Storyteller0910) ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2136 "2007-04-09T15:19:04Z")
Holy shit. There was another page left to read. I thought I’d finished at #42. I’ll keep my vote where it is. I don’t like **JSexton** , but it looks like he’s going the way of the dodo anyways. But I didn’t much care for **Fern Forest** ’s 11th hour maneuvering either. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2137 "2007-04-09T15:20:14Z")
I’m more or less up to date now (weekend is a busy time for me, while it looks like everyone else is posting continuously 🙂 ). The consensus plan sounds good, so I’ll confirm it: lynch **JSexton** , assassinate **FlyingCowOfDoom**. But I see one problem with BM/FCOD plan. What if they are both scum? The result “Mafia BM not killing Mafia FCOD” looks exactly the same as the result “Vig BM blocked from killing Miller FCOD”. Just to fan the flame of paranoia a bit. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2138 "2007-04-09T15:27:47Z")
Yeah, if BM and FCoD are both Mafia we’re pretty much screwed. However, **pimaspinner** would have had to have been fantastically unlucky to get a false Vig read on BM, and **pimaspinner** can’t be Mafia in this scenario, because he wouldn’t have outed a fellow Mafioso. Unless **JSexton** , BM, FCoD, **zuma** , **pimaspinner** and **Pleonast** are all Mafia, and **Smitty** is the only Mason left(and hasn’t read the thread since the Mason role-claim). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2139 "2007-04-09T15:28:31Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] I’m more or less up to date now (weekend is a busy time for me, while it looks like everyone else is posting continuously 🙂 ). The consensus plan sounds good, so I’ll confirm it: lynch **JSexton** , assassinate **FlyingCowOfDoom**. But I see one problem with BM/FCOD plan. What if they are both scum? The result “Mafia BM not killing Mafia FCOD” looks exactly the same as the result “Vig BM blocked from killing Miller FCOD”. Just to fan the flame of paranoia a bit. 😉 [/QUOTE] Well, that is something that crossed my mind, but obviously I wasn’t worried about it because I know I’m the VIG. Chances are the mafia will target either me or **pimaspinner** anyway, so it’s quite possible that it will be a moot point come morning because I suspect the doctor will find pimaspinner more valuable and protect her. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2140 "2007-04-09T15:34:35Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] **That said, the mafia may actually want to leave me alive, because then they can also vote in my targets and with their information of who is mafia, we can possibly get on the trail of the SK (and then later analyze any crumbs they may have left by helping me target the SK to track down mafia).** OR, since the SK is really their biggest threat at this point, maybe we can convince the mafia to go after a SK suspect, assuming they’re not mafia, like **hocow** , or someone else they find very suspicious. [/QUOTE] Bolding mine. I understand the whole random theory, and the mafia not knowing whom the DR might protect. I just don’t think its a chance worth taking. The Beat Cops are our best weapons right now. You? Well you have to kill, so while its nice that we get to influence a night kill as well you could just keep killing townies. Your role does not come close to the importance of the Cops right now. Plus I agree with the above. They might want you alive. They don’t want the Cop alive at all. Sorry, but if our cop dies tonight it is a poor play by the doctor, regardless of how well s/he has been playing before. I don’t this is playing into the Mobs hand. There is no doubt in my mind that the beat cop is loads more important then anybody else currently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=108)