# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2201 "2007-04-09T19:48:24Z")
I for one see no use in investigating JSexton. We can hash out the truth of his claim tomorrow. If he lives that is. IMO Pimaspinner is much more useful finding out something about someone who hasn’t claimed. Such as Suburban or FernForest. Eliminate another unknown if you will. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2202 "2007-04-09T19:50:52Z")
The thing that really sucks at this point is that **Jsexton** has pretty much made himself useless. If we do believe him (frankly I’m dubious) all he can do at this point is protect himself and keep one townie alive. If he’s mafia, the doc role claim is brilliant. The real doctor should NOT counter claim him. **Jsexton** is an experienced player and knows this. From a mafia standpoint one scum for the doc is a great trade. If he really is the doc, he’s a top priority for a mafia hit. I guess if he keeps protecting himself, that’s one less townie killed every night. Unless the mafia knows he will in which case they will target someone else and he is free to protect someone else. Stupid Sicillian wine glasses! I’m sticking with my **FernForest** vote, but **SubPlankton** may be a good candidate for lynching as well. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2203 "2007-04-09T19:59:05Z")
[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine] If anybody sees any additional flaws in this plan, speak up – I _think_ it covers everything, but I’m increasingly sure I don’t understand this game. [/QUOTE] On further reflection, I don’t like the idea of a cop investigating JSexton. As long as he is alive (assuming he is the doctor), he can protect **pimaspinner** , which means we get more information each day. Once the mafia finally decides to kill him, then we only get one more night of info out of **pimaspinner**. Thus, I expect the mafia will take him out tonight if he isn’t mafia. If he actually is mafia, and is bluffing, the real doctor can still protect **pimaspinner** , and then out **JSexton** later, at which case we lynch the one we believe less, and are bound to get scum between the two of them. ---
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2204 "2007-04-09T20:04:08Z")
Guys, what **FCOD** is trying to say is that the mafia or SK could take him out if they wanted to. **BM** isn’t the only one that can kill him. Also, I agree that the mafia would be stupid to not take out the doctor if they know who it is. So, I will unvote FCOD and vote Fern Forest. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2205 "2007-04-09T20:04:47Z")
I do not believe **Jsexton**. I voted to lynch **chrisk** in post #287,FOS’ed him in post #306 and #320 and he retaliates by protecting me 😕 . ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2206 "2007-04-09T20:07:09Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] On further reflection, I don’t like the idea of a cop investigating JSexton. As long as he is alive (assuming he is the doctor), he can protect **pimaspinner** , which means we get more information each day. Once the mafia finally decides to kill him, then we only get one more night of info out of **pimaspinner**. Thus, I expect the mafia will take him out tonight if he isn’t mafia. If he actually is mafia, and is bluffing, the real doctor can still protect **pimaspinner** , and then out **JSexton** later, at which case we lynch the one we believe less, and are bound to get scum between the two of them. [/QUOTE] I’m still planning to investigate whoever doesn’t get lynched between \*\*Suburban \*\* \*\*Plankton \*\* and **Fern Forest** …that is if we can get \*\*Jsexton \*\* unvoted in time. If we can’t, and \*\*Jsexton \*\* swings, I’ll investigate **Suburban Plankton**. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2207 "2007-04-09T20:12:27Z")
Updated vote count…as of post 2204 \*\*Jsexton \*\* - 9 - FCOD, sub plankton, madtheswine, menocchio, zuma, starvingbutstrong, monkeymensch, pygmy rugger, pleonast **Fern Forest** - 9 - brewha, jsexton, kat, lakai, malacandra, aguecheek, kivvik, arizonateach, hocow **Suburban Plankton** - 6 - Blaster Master, Queuing, glee, pimaspinner, Rysto, Fretful Porpentine **pimaspinner** - 1 - storyteller0910 **madtheswine** - autolycus let me know if I missed one. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2208 "2007-04-09T20:18:09Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] \*\*JSexton \*\* and \*\*Fern Forest \*\* are now tied with 8 votes each. **Suburban Plankton** has 6 votes. Remember if the day ends in a tie I will randomly choose between the two candidates. [/QUOTE] According to NAF (7 posts before yours), JSexton is at 8. Fern Forest has since received a vote, so he should be at 9. This is what I have: **9- Fern Forest** - (brewha, JSexton, kat, lakai, Malacandra, Augecheek, kivvik, ArizonaTeach, Hocow) \*\*8- JSexton \*\*- (FCoD, Suburban Plankton, zuma, StarvingButStrong, Menocchio, Pygmy Rugger, Pleonast, Monkey Mench) **6 - Suburban Plankton** - (Blaster Master, Queuing, glee, pimmaspinner, rysto, Fretful Porcupine) ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2209 "2007-04-09T20:19:13Z")
Someone asked upthread if everyone was claiming power roles. Nope, not me! Plain vanilla Citizen. Come an’ 'ave a go, scum! You know it makes sense. Gotta say I find **Jsexton** ’s Doctor claim as fishy as the All-You-Can-Eat-For-50-Kroner Special at Uncle Olaf’s Lutefisk Restaurant. :dubious: A guy as savvy as him has to know that an identified Doctor is hardly any more use to the town than no Doctor at all, and I’m astonished he couldn’t whip up some alternative to keep him off the gallows. Still, I’ll leave my votes where they are for now. Good luck, town. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2210 "2007-04-09T20:19:14Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] I do not believe **Jsexton**. I voted to lynch **chrisk** in post #287,FOS’ed him in post #306 and #320 and he retaliates by protecting me 😕 . [/QUOTE] I missed this, but thank you for confirming my doubt of **JSexton**. It doesn’t make any sense for him to be the Doctor. –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2211 "2007-04-09T20:21:14Z")
Agh! I was just a bot to switch my vote to **Fern Forest** (good thing I previewed), but if we’re sure **JSexton** has less, then I’d rather leave it on \*\*Suburban Plankton \*\* in the event some of the **JSexton** voters can switch to get him instead. I’m cautiously believing **Fern Forest** is just a misguided townie, but I suppose we’ll find out presently. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2212 "2007-04-09T20:22:05Z")
Agh! I was just about to switch my vote to **Fern Forest** (good thing I previewed), but if we’re sure **JSexton** has less, then I’d rather leave it on \*\*Suburban Plankton \*\* in the event some of the **JSexton** voters can switch to get him instead. I’m cautiously believing **Fern Forest** is just a misguided townie, but I suppose we’ll find out presently. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2213 "2007-04-09T20:23:33Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] According to NAF (7 posts before yours), JSexton is at 8. Fern Forest has since received a vote, so he should be at 9. This is what I have: **9- Fern Forest** - (brewha, JSexton, kat, lakai, Malacandra, Augecheek, kivvik, ArizonaTeach, Hocow) \*\*8- JSexton \*\*- (FCoD, Suburban Plankton, zuma, StarvingButStrong, Menocchio, Pygmy Rugger, Pleonast, Monkey Mench) **6 - Suburban Plankton** - (Blaster Master, Queuing, glee, pimmaspinner, rysto, Fretful Porcupine) [/QUOTE] That is the count I have, unless I missed someone. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2214 "2007-04-09T20:23:54Z")
oops… sorry about the double post… not sure how that got through. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2215 "2007-04-09T20:28:21Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Agh! \*\*I was just a bot \*\* to switch my vote to **Fern Forest** (good thing I previewed), but if we’re sure **JSexton** has less, then I’d rather leave it on \*\*Suburban Plankton \*\* in the event some of the **JSexton** voters can switch to get him instead. I’m cautiously believing **Fern Forest** is just a misguided townie, but I suppose we’ll find out presently. [/QUOTE] **Blaster Master** is a bot? :eek: No fair! :mad: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2216 "2007-04-09T20:32:08Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] According to NAF (7 posts before yours), JSexton is at 8. Fern Forest has since received a vote, so he should be at 9. This is what I have: **9- Fern Forest** - (brewha, JSexton, kat, lakai, Malacandra, Augecheek, kivvik, ArizonaTeach, Hocow) \*\*8- JSexton \*\*- (FCoD, Suburban Plankton, zuma, StarvingButStrong, Menocchio, Pygmy Rugger, Pleonast, Monkey Mench) **6 - Suburban Plankton** - (Blaster Master, Queuing, glee, pimmaspinner, rysto, Fretful Porcupine) [/QUOTE] Post 2153, MadTheSwine voted for Jsexton. That would put him at 9. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2217 "2007-04-09T20:35:40Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] Post 2153, MadTheSwine voted for Jsexton. That would put him at 9. [/QUOTE] Right you are. \*\*JSexton \*\* and **Fern Forrest** are each tied at 9. \*\*Suburban Plankton \*\* has 6 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2218 "2007-04-09T20:36:28Z")
I don’t believe **JSexton** ’s role claim. However, let’s have more time to think about it. So, unvote **JSexton** , vote **Suburban Plankton** , and still assassinate **FlyingCowOfDoom**. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2219 "2007-04-09T20:37:17Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] I think we should lynch **MonkeyMensch** or **Suburban Plankton.** Monkey Mensch for this very odd vote,[here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8444080&postcount=2071) hours after FCOD had claimed. As well what is up with the “Thanks for the update JSexton?” Is there talk outside of the board, or did I miss something JSexton said that was very enlightening? ArizonaTeach also found it odd [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8444594&postcount=2099) [/QUOTE] To clarify, I had asked JSexton in .[#1935](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8440106&postcount=1935) for an update on his position re Blaster Master. He kindly replied in [#2039](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443828&postcount=2039) and I was acknowledging that response, nothing more. As for being behind on thread, as pointed out by Arizona Teach, it’s true: I have a personal life that I attend to on occasion. 😉 If politeness and having a life are scum-tells then Judgement, thou art fled to brutish beasts. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2220 "2007-04-09T20:40:46Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] \Either way, it looks like he thinks it’s more likely that I’m mafia than the vigilante; but just six posts later, it changes from “most likely mafia” to “might be scum, but most likely vigilante”. Either way, it looks to me like he couldn’t keep his story straight after the town started to put the pressure on him.\ [/QUOTE] Upon a reread of this weekend’s activity, I’m going to unvote JSexton and lynch Suburban Plankton. The reasons have already been pretty well laid out by others already. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=112)