# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 112
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2221 "2007-04-09T20:43:12Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] Gotta say I find **Jsexton** ’s Doctor claim as fishy as the All-You-Can-Eat-For-50-Kroner Special at Uncle Olaf’s Lutefisk Restaurant. :dubious: A guy as savvy as him has to know that an identified Doctor is hardly any more use to the town than no Doctor at all, and I’m astonished he couldn’t whip up some alternative to keep him off the gallows. Still, I’ll leave my votes where they are for now. Good luck, town. [/QUOTE] I don’t believe in lying as town. But let’s roll with that. What are the potential claims, given our open setup? [ul]Vanilla, well, pretty sure that wouldn’t have caused 5 unvotes. [/ul] [ul]The Cop is dead. [/ul] [ul]Claiming Beat cop would require falsifying results, which is obviously bad. [/ul] [ul]Claiming miller would only invite the same method of testing as we are going to use on Cow. [/ul] [ul]Claiming Angel is just as much of a target as Doc. [/ul] [ul]Somehow, I think Zuma would be happy to crucify me if I claimed Mason.[/ul] [ul]Claiming Mafia or SK seems counter productive.[/ul] So. What exactly would you suggest? I’m not thrilled at being forced to claim here, as my options just got a lot more limited, but you tell me what a better play was were, since you’re expressing an opinion about it. And no, I will not be giving a public protection choice tonight. I will be selecting from a short list that you can probably guess the contents of, but I absolutely will not state publicly who will be targeted. Otherwise, I may as well be vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2222 "2007-04-09T20:46:41Z")
Vote count (because the count 15 min ago was very different) 9- Fern Forest - (brewha, JSexton, kat, lakai, Malacandra, Augecheek, kivvik, ArizonaTeach, hocow) 8- Suburban Plankton - (Blaster Master, Queuing, glee, pimmaspinner, Rysto, Fretful Porpentine, Pleonast, Pygmy Rugger) 7- JSexton - (FCoD, Suburban Plankton, zuma, StarvingButStrong, Menocchio, Monkey Mench, MTS) 1- pimaspinner - (Storyteller0910) 1- MadTheSwine - (Autolycus) ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2223 "2007-04-09T20:48:45Z")
I didn’t say anything to the effect that you ought to have submitted a fake role claim, **JSexton** - only that I’m surprised to see you painted into a corner whence the only escape was to claim Doctor. (I’m astonished that **chrisk** felt himself unable to continue as Doc. You wouldn’t have got a peachy role like that out of my hands with a crowbar.) ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2224 "2007-04-09T20:48:50Z")
Unvote JSexton, for the nonce. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2225 "2007-04-09T20:54:20Z")
3 hours and 10 minutes to go. I’m hoping that we can spare Fern Forest for today and lynch Plankton, so if anyone would like to rethink their votes…now would be a good time. I do think that both are mafia, but I am not as sure about FF. Either way is fine though and I will investigate the other. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2226 "2007-04-09T21:07:39Z")
Vote Suburban Plankton. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2227 "2007-04-09T21:12:47Z")
I’d rather take \*\*Plankton \*\* out, so I’m glad the vote has swung around. unvote Fern Forest vote suburban plankton And I’m satisfied for the moment with \*\*MonkeyMensch’s \*\* answer. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2228 "2007-04-09T21:12:53Z")
Fern Forest and Suburban Plankton now tied with 9 votes each. A little more than 2:45 left in the day. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2229 "2007-04-09T21:14:08Z")
Well the simul post screwed that one up. Sububan Plankton now has 10 votes Fern Forest 8. Still about 2:45 left in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2230 "2007-04-09T21:14:21Z")
**ArizonaTeach** ’s switch should bring it to 10-8, right? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2231 "2007-04-09T21:14:40Z")
Ok. Let’s work through the possibilities of JSexton lives, and does not protect himself: JSexton is the Doctor: Is killed by mafia/SK. -Dies after protecting pima from the other scum, is revealed as town. Is ignored by scum.- We lynch tomorrow, but still get one more night of protection JSexton is Mafia: Lives tonight- We lynch him tomorrow. Is killed by SK- Revealed as scum. JSexton is Serial Killer: Is killed by mafia- Revealed as SK, we lose Vig on subsequent nights, but BM is proven town. Is ignored tonight- We kill tomorrow. Ok. The worst of these scenarios for the town is if JSexton is the doctor, and even that one gets us one more night of service from him. I can live with that providing that we are serious about killing JSexton tomorrow. By vig tomorrow night if not by lynch. We can’t keep going around and around with “but we can kill him tomorrow” forever. Clear? JSexton, you get a very temporary reprieve. If you are the doctor, don’t protect yourself and make us waste a lynch on you tomorrow. Do your duty for the town and see to it that our cop survives. Unvote JSexton Vote Suburban Plankton I favor Plankton over Forest because Forest seems more like a confused town. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2232 "2007-04-09T22:06:57Z")
Regardless of Fern Forest’s ongoing campaign against me, I don’t really think he’s Mafia. I have stronger suspicions against Suburban Plankton, but I’m not certain there either. But if that’s the choice we’re left with in this 11th hour, I’ll vote Suburban Plankton. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2233 "2007-04-09T22:39:24Z")
Crap. What is it, I’m the only one who didn’t get a power role? Well, at least I can do this much: Unvote Fern Forest Vote Suburban Plankton We can lynch **Fern Forest** just as well tomorrow, right? I also really really really wanna know why **chrisk** protected **MadTheSwine**. Was he nuts? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2234 "2007-04-09T23:02:13Z")
60 minutes left in the day. Plankton at 13 Forest at 7 JSexton at 6 Also SMITTY, you have one hour to make 3 posts. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2235 "2007-04-09T23:02:36Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] JSexton, you get a very temporary reprieve. If you are the doctor, don’t protect yourself and make us waste a lynch on you tomorrow. Do your duty for the town and see to it that our cop survives. [/QUOTE] You do what you have to, but I will not be directed. Directing me in public means I’m vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2236 "2007-04-09T23:38:40Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] If he really is the doc, he’s a top priority for a mafia hit. I guess if he keeps protecting himself, that’s one less townie killed every night. Unless the mafia knows he will in which case they will target someone else and he is free to protect someone else. Stupid Sicillian wine glasses! [/QUOTE] [RP-Off] As said before by somebody in this thread, the best bet in this situation is to choose randomly, that is, unless you have built up an immunity to mafia 😃 [RP-On] ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2237 "2007-04-09T23:39:50Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] You do what you have to, but I will not be directed. Directing me in public means I’m vanilla. [/QUOTE] I DO agree with this. Even if **JSexton** does ultimately follow the general wishes of the town, by leaving some degree of uncertainty. That said, depending on how much the mafia value our various roles, he may still be able to block who we request and STILL be able to block the mafia. However, regardless of how tonight ends up, he’ll still look suspicious tomorrow, and I don’t really want to go through all the scenarios, so we should just wait it out, and see how the night plays out before go on with the finger pointing. ---
**Author:** ![kivvik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/cdc98d/32.png) [@kivvik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kivvik)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2238 "2007-04-09T23:46:20Z")
Hey, back in before the lynching deadline. Currently keeping my vote with **FF** , just to remind them that they are not safe yet, and because piling another vote on **Suburban Plankton** is pointless at this juncture. So we’re likely to have two scum down, or a scum and a Miller. Not the best 1:1 trade, but that still favors us, right? (Assuming that the Mafia/SK take out **FCoD** , which might not be the best target for the Mafia, but the SK would enjoy knowing that if they were to be outed they would at least get that night’s kill instead of being both blocked and Vigged. Sadistic bastard.) I trust that **JSexton** will do what he must; it certainly sounds like he’s had this type of role before. And as for **FF** ’s chances tomorrow, we’ll see what our information pipeline has to say about them. (I can never remember genders, so hurray for neutral pronouns and such. Well, actually, **Malacandra** is a **He** , that much I know 😛 ) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2239 "2007-04-09T23:49:03Z")
Dang, I guess I should have taken a leave of absence for the duration of the game. The last time I looked at the thread, some time this morning, I was in third place! That’ll teach me to put my priorities in order. By my clock, I’ve got 13 minutes left to make my role-claim, put in my defense, hack into the SDMB database and steal the passwords of all of the other participants, and cast 4 votes for Fern Forest to save my neck until tomorrow. Or, I can head over to the bar and see how many shots I can drink before sundown. Yea, that’ll be the one. Barkeep, line 'em up! If anyone’s looking for me, I’ll be the catatonic one under the table. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2240 "2007-04-09T23:56:14Z")
Cheezits, we got more roles comin’ out than a bread basket in Ethiopa. This joint’s poppin’ like Orville Reddenbaker. So much bulllshit flyin around, I’s almost tempted to call myself mafia, just to sees the look on everyone’s face. For’s what it’s worth, I dont trust JSexton farther than I’s can throw him, but I think he’s more valuable alives than dead. Aint I a sweetheart, eh? I hate’s seeing **Plankton** go to’s the big whale in the sky, but I’s cant think of no betta target. That lynch mob’s barootal! Hah, I bet’s this be tha only time I could get away with this, so I’s got an idea for sum fun. This’ll teach them linch mobs to keep on pesterin’ me and shit. Unvote MadTheSwine Vote Autolycus! Dont think youz safe either, pig boy. One false move and WHAM, straight to tha moon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=111) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=113)