# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 123
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2441 "2007-04-11T20:33:55Z")
Looks like town may have turned a corner. Good Luck! Off to the lounge… ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2442 "2007-04-11T20:40:03Z")
So I have just looked through all of Suburban Plankton’s posts, and here is what I got: [post 369](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8407289&postcount=369) SB calls for the lynching of glee. This is another known scum talking about glee. kivvik did it as well, but way later, in post [1709](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8431628&postcount=1709) Why is this? Does anybody else suspect glee? Is this a case of trying to hide in the open or is glee town? Maybe s/he should be investigated? In posts[606](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8414336&postcount=606) , [674](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8415319&postcount=674) and [732](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8416182&postcount=732) Suburban points the FOS at BM and pleonast. In [post 737](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8416238&postcount=737) he tries to throw suspicion on me, basically by showing that Zuma and Menecchio had both voted for me. Also suggests Zuma as a cop. [post 821](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8417660&postcount=821) the FOS is still on BM and Pleonast. I get added to the list based on my trust lists. My trust list was the following: Trust: Pleonast, Chrisk Don’t Trust: Sturmhauke, Gaderene, pimaspinner He lists posts [327](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8406283&postcount=327) and [437](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408430&postcount=437) as my trust lists. They did not change. Don’t really know why he FOS’s me, except perhaps because I had put Pleonast on my trust list. Or could it be he didn’t like my distrustlist? He had earlier defend the 1st day attempt (by me) to get Sturmhauke. He did so in post [283](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405793&postcount=283). Not sure if this means anything, just throwing it out there. However in the post 821 (mentioned above) he also defends Autolycus!! Even more reason to believe we have ourselves the GF! Guess what happens in [post 900](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418858&postcount=900) ? Another confirmed scum defends Autolycus! In this post the FOS is at Pygmy Rugger but no vote is cast. He even compliments the error that someone caught in regards to Pygmy Rugger (I do not remember what this error was). [post 954](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420104&postcount=954) The FOS is still on Pleonast. He also brings up ArizonaTeach, for what reason I do not know. He also encourages people to “stand by their votes”. [Post 1144](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8423058&postcount=1144) more FOS at BM. Also mentions brewha, and then the rest of the post doesn’t make much sense to me. However it seems to be answer to something brewha had posted. [post 1768](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8433788&postcount=1768) we have a long one. This is in answer to JSexton’s post, and the FOS that JSexton had placed on a number of people. A number of whom it has been proven to be town. Here is the scum list of JSexton [is what is proven or suspected]: Probably Scum: Blaster Master –(SK) – [vig] Pleonast – [mason] Queueing glee Aguecheek Gadarene – [town] brewha Fern Forest [sk] Suburban doesn’t much care for this list. Perhaps people should be investigated from it? The name of glee comes up again. Suburban also voted for JSexton here. [post 1810](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435304&postcount=1810) he answers an accusation from lakia. [1873](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8437489&postcount=1873) FOS JSexton again. [1991](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443028&postcount=1991) tries to save FCOD, and tries to throw some distrust on pimaspinner. So what does all this mean to me? Autolycus is the GF. Glee needs to be investigated. It wouldn’t hurt if Sturmhauke was investigated as well. Same with Aquecheek. I suppose I should throw myself here as well, but I know I am town :). ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2443 "2007-04-11T20:51:07Z")
What strikes me from that post **cowgirl** is that **lakai** also defended Autolycus right [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8407625&postcount=381) . Maybe I am looking for to many similarities right now, but it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities that part of the plan hatched by the Mafia on night 1 was for Autolycus to roleplay. They could foresee that this might perhaps annoy some people as well as throw some suspicion his way. However him being the Godfather would come up as town. This could throw some suspicion onto the people who attacked him for acting like he did while at the some point throw some of the supposed townieness onto his defenders. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2444 "2007-04-11T20:51:51Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] The serial killer, whoever it is, is pretty damn good at it. Singly, the SK has managed to kill just as many mafia as we have all together. I mean, nesta and now kivvik? I wouldn’t have called either of those. [/QUOTE] Just want to point out that I FOSed **kivvik** yesterday in [post 1874](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8437570&postcount=1874); he was, in fact, my main suspect in that line of reasoning, but because it seemed weak at the time, I didn’t pursue it. His defense a few posts later was a bit suspicious as well. He would have been my first FOS today, had the SK not picked him off last night. Anyway, I tend to agree with the general reasoning in this thread to this point, and the selected targets. I also agree that we should hold off a bit before pulling the trigger in the hopes that we can get more information to go on for tomorrow. As long as pimaspinner is right about either **Autolycus** or **Fern Forest** , I think it will actually put the town ahead for once, and if he’s right about both, it puts us in very good position. Either way, as I said yesterday, and especially because the night went well in our favor, my main target should now be the SK, so I’m strongly in favor of my targetting our town’s main suspect for the SK. Further, to **Pleonast** and the other masons, if there is only one other unclaimed Mason, you need to claim now, or we’ll have no way to verify. However, if there is more than one (I suspect there’s at least two, possibly three), then it’s probably not in your favor to claim. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2445 "2007-04-11T20:52:56Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] [Post 1144](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8423058&postcount=1144) more FOS at BM. Also mentions brewha, and then the rest of the post doesn’t make much sense to me. However it seems to be answer to something brewha had posted. [/QUOTE] **Blaster Master’s** mention of me was a bit of ribbing because of my flawed logic. I had a scheme to test whether or not **Blaster Master** was the vig. It was flawed because the miller blocks a person, not a role. This was my mistake, which I realized quickly after posting. Of course, with no editing, recanting my idea would only bring more attention to my screw up. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2446 "2007-04-11T20:58:40Z")
Oh, and if we agree that we need more time, unvote Autolycus But, FOS Autoylcus - Loudly! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2447 "2007-04-11T21:02:41Z")
I didn’t realise the Godfather was immune to the Serial Killer. :eek: > [@NAF1138](#): > > Godfather shows up as a regular townie if investigated, will survive being targeted for night kill by the Vigilante. Apparently if the Miller blocks the Godfather’s powers, the Godfather can be killed by the Vigilante. > [@NAF1138](#): > > The way it works is the Miller will submit a player name to me, if that person is a power player there power won’t work that night. If the person is an ordinary Citizen then there will be no noticeable result. If a mafia member is targeted there is a 1/x chance (x being the number of living mafia members) that it will work. So if he targets the Godfather, and the Godfather is targeted by the Vigilante, the Godfather will still die. But here Pimaspinner says: “I PM’d NAF with a rules query addressing this, because I wanted to be sure when I layed out my case. He is immune from all night kills from both the Vig and the SK. Even if double targeted.” NAF1138, please can you clear this up? Thanks. 🙂 Next I looked back at all of Autolycus’ posts in the thread since the game started - it’s a dirty job but someone had to do it! Mind you I listened to an entire DVD whilst doing it :rolleyes: ) They fall into these categories… Content-free: Analysis: Wanted to Lynch: He could be a terrible Town player (who we can well do without). He could be the Godfather and wants to be investigated and ‘cleared’. \*\*But look! Here are known Mafia leaping to protect him ☹ \*\*: > [@Suburban Plankton](#): > > I don’t share the suspicion being placed on Autolycus. I don’t think he’s scum; I think he’s just messing around. > … > One thing I did notice is that Autolycus suddenly seems to be all over the place, and actually has something to say, if I’m translating his posts properly. They do add a bit of color to the proceedings. > [@Nesta](#): > > I don’t think we gain anything at this point by lynching Autolycus. > [@kivvik](#): > > Or a bunch of posts with clues hidden in roleplaying form. Diamonds(well, not -that- good) aren’t hidden in plain sight, you know? Gotta go through a lot of dirt to get to them. I think he’s dropped a few hints here and there, although some of his posts are certainly just fluff. I’m reading his antics and hints two ways though, and can’t get a handle on which one I think is more likely. Or if I’m even on the right track. > I hesitantly say that he is harmless to us, possibly beneficial. > … > He could still be a mobster, but it’s not my read of him. > … > Naturally I do not support the VIGging or SKing (although it’s not like the SK is gonna listen to us all the time) of Autolycus. I still stand by him being pro-town > … > The only person I’m suspicious of at the moment is glee, just because they dumped on the idea of Autolycus being useful, > … > And his thoughts on Autolycus mirror my own, so hey, good vibes there > … > Autolycus was pretty controversial then, although he seems to be less so now I particularly like this one - after Autolycus broke the rule about no editing, I suggested he should be kicked out the game. Then came: > [@kivvik](#): > > And uh, I vote NAF doesn’t WTFpwn Autolycus Credit to Queueing for pointing this series of posts out. 🆒 Lynch Autolcyus Vigilante kills Fern Forest ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2448 "2007-04-11T21:02:44Z")
Youz guys think way’s too highly of me. I wish I were that smart. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2449 "2007-04-11T21:08:36Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] Youz guys think way’s too highly of me. I wish I were that smart. [/QUOTE] Well, it looks like you’re well on your way to a lynching, we’re just trying to collect some information for tomorrow first. Do you, perhaps, have an inclination to defend yourself? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2450 "2007-04-11T21:09:09Z")
[QUOTE=glee] But here Pimaspinner says: “I PM’d NAF with a rules query addressing this, because I wanted to be sure when I layed out my case. He is immune from all night kills from both the Vig and the SK. Even if double targeted.” NAF1138, please can you clear this up? Thanks. 🙂 [/QUOTE] I knew this was going to be trouble when \*\*pimma \*\* asked me the question. Ok, I didn’t say anything in the original rules about the SK and the GodFather. But I did decide that the same rules would apply to all night killers fairly early on in the game. So if the miller blocks the GF the GF can be killed by either the SK or the Vig. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2451 "2007-04-11T21:10:59Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Well, it looks like you’re well on your way to a lynching, we’re just trying to collect some information for tomorrow first. Do you, perhaps, have an inclination to defend yourself? [/QUOTE] Ye’r a punk ya know that? Of course I’s gonna defend myself. Later though. I’m still nursin’ a hangover from Hell. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2452 "2007-04-11T21:14:04Z")
Blast! I forgot to post my statistics on Autolycus: Content-free: 44 (yes, forty-four meaningless posts :smack: ) Analysis: 6 (these included one illegal night post and one illegal edited post ☹ ) Wanted to Lynch: Blaster (4 times); ChrisK/JSexton; Pleonast; Zuma; Menocchio (twice); Storyteller and (best of all) AUTOLYCUS. :rolleyes: [QUOTE=Queuing] So I have just looked through all of Suburban Plankton’s posts, and here is what I got: [post 369](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8407289&postcount=369) SB calls for the lynching of glee. This is another known scum talking about glee. kivvik did it as well, but way later, in post [1709](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8431628&postcount=1709) Why is this? Does anybody else suspect glee? Is this a case of trying to hide in the open or is glee town? Maybe s/he should be investigated? [/QUOTE] I don’t mind being investigated, but the problem is that a) there are more likely Mafia and b) there’s no reason to worry about me. Let’s face it - I’ve had two Mafia try to lynch me, while the Masons Zuma and Pleonast trust me. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2453 "2007-04-11T21:15:31Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] Youz guys think way’s too highly of me. I wish I were that smart. [/QUOTE] Nice try Don Corleone! That’s exactly what you’d like us to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2454 "2007-04-11T21:17:56Z")
[QUOTE=glee] I don’t mind being investigated, but the problem is that a) there are more likely Mafia and b) there’s no reason to worry about me. Let’s face it - I’ve had two Mafia try to lynch me, while the Masons Zuma and Pleonast trust me. [/QUOTE] I agree, I think **Pygmy Rugger** , **Aguecheek** , and **Lakai** are higher on my scum-dar. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still quite suspicious of you, **glee** , but not as much as I am of those two. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2455 "2007-04-11T21:20:25Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] I agree, I think **Pygmy Rugger** , **Aguecheek** , and **Lakai** are higher on my scum-dar. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still quite suspicious of you, **glee** , but not as much as I am of those two. [/QUOTE] Oh, add to that list **hocow**. I’d previously said she was my most likely suspect for SK, and if she wasn’t that, was almost certianly mafia. Don’t forget **Autolycus** ’s post where he said he thought she was doc…WTF? If **Autolycus** is any sort of scum, I’d look strongly in her direction with an investigation as well. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2456 "2007-04-11T21:32:50Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] I knew this was going to be trouble when \*\*pimma \*\* asked me the question. Ok, I didn’t say anything in the original rules about the SK and the GodFather. But I did decide that the same rules would apply to all night killers fairly early on in the game. So if the miller blocks the GF the GF can be killed by either the SK or the Vig. [/QUOTE] Please, please don’t change the rules halfway through the game! So what you’re saying is that the Godfather is immune to **both** the SK and the Vig, unless a Miller blocks the Godfather, right? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2457 "2007-04-11T21:36:45Z")
[QUOTE=glee] Let’s face it - I’ve had two Mafia try to lynch me, while the Masons Zuma and Pleonast trust me. [/QUOTE] Well, you’ve done great analysis, but this statement pings my scumdar. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2458 "2007-04-11T21:36:57Z")
[QUOTE=glee] Please, please don’t change the rules halfway through the game! So what you’re saying is that the Godfather is immune to **both** the SK and the Vig, unless a Miller blocks the Godfather, right? [/QUOTE] No rules have been changed. Simply a clarification. You are correct. ---
**Author:** ![kivvik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/cdc98d/32.png) [@kivvik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kivvik)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2459 "2007-04-11T21:43:52Z")
Well, suck. Thus ends my first game of Mafia. At least I have free time now 😛 Although I was sad to hear **cowgirl** say that the other thread is dull; I was hoping to have two good threads to read when I died. Thanks for the fun and tripling my post count 🙂 See y’all around. /ghost /haunt ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2460 "2007-04-11T22:31:17Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Well, you’ve done great analysis, but this statement pings my scumdar. [/QUOTE] Sorry about that. :o All I claim is that I have posted decent analysis, not that I have any special role. I only mentioned you two because you’re confirmed townies who posted you trusted me. I can add that I helped get the Suburban Plankton badwagon rolling. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=122) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=124)